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There Are Aliens, but Probably Not Here

75 点作者 erwald将近 4 年前

17 条评论

nbcomplete将近 4 年前
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jlkuester7将近 4 年前
It is nice to see some more rational explanations for these videos (instead of the constant alien&#x2F;ufo drivel from most media outlets). The thing that still confuses me, though, is how these videos became a thing in the first place. We are not talking about some random civilians with a Polaroid trying to get pics of a lake monster. The Navy has (presumably high-tech) equipment for finding and tracking airborne phenomena and it is operated by (presumably qualified) professionals. It seems mission-critical that this technology&#x2F;personnel would be able to accurately distinguish between lens flare&#x2F;parallax&#x2F;etc and actual aircraft maneuvers.<p>I get that not everyone in the Navy has access to the same equipment&#x2F;expertise, so maybe this is just a matter of some easily excitable folks ignoring the experts from the very beginning....
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anthuswilliams将近 4 年前
This article makes a familiar error in thinking that I routinely see when it comes to the subject of extraterrestrial life. It goes like this:<p>1) There exist billions and billions of stars, each of which can be thought of an independent Bernoulli trial with probability P as to whether intelligent life exists in that star system.<p>2) P must be a non-negligible quantity, because we ourselves exist<p>3) Therefore intelligent life &quot;must&quot; exist elsewhere in the universe due to the sheer number of trials.<p>This is an epistemological error that echoes the sort of error made by proponents of intelligent design. They conclude that the chance of thinking beings evolving is prodigiously unlikely, and therefore our existence is proof of a creator.<p>But in fact, you cannot post-hoc conclude that our existence says anything at all about P, because if we didn&#x27;t exist, there would be no one to ask the question. Therefore the fact that we are wondering about the value of P means our existence is an implicit axiom of the logical system itself. One way to think of it is there could be infinitely many possible universes with no life at all, and by definition the question of P can only discussed in the one branch, in all that lifeless space of possibilities, where thinking beings actually exist. So P could, in fact, be made arbitrarily small, and Earth could indeed be the only place in the universe with intelligent life.<p>Note that this doesn&#x27;t claim that extraterrestrial life _doesn&#x27;t_ exist. It merely points out the truth in all of this P-hacking: that we have no evidentiary basis for believing one way or the other.
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RobertoG将近 4 年前
The thing about those videos are not the videos themselves, but the testimonies that come with them and the additional information, specially the &quot;tic tac&quot; video.<p>I don&#x27;t know what is really going on in those videos, but, in my opinion, this gentleman, that it seems is a professor of epistemology!, is not following the scientific method.<p>You don&#x27;t start with the solution and then fix the evidence to it. It&#x27;s very easy to explain the videos away if you don&#x27;t hear what the people that was there, or the experts on how the cameras work, have to say.
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tailspin2019将近 4 年前
&quot;Too many redirects occurred trying to open “<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fakenous.net&#x2F;?p=2365&#x2F;wp-admin&#x2F;install.php”" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fakenous.net&#x2F;?p=2365&#x2F;wp-admin&#x2F;install.php”</a>. This might occur if you open a page that is redirected to open another page, which then is redirected to open the original page.&quot;<p>EDIT: I&#x27;d love to understand the downvote, considering as I write this the linked website is still presenting an open installer wizard for Wordpress!
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zikzak将近 4 年前
Time for me to sound crazy.<p>I won&#x27;t comment on the debunking. I am sure there&#x27;s a logical explanation but I am not qualified to make decisions using the evidence I have (which is often true of people on both sides of the discussion, here, generally).<p>I terms of &quot;are they here&quot;, it isn&#x27;t totally crazy to imagine an AI that can self replicate it&#x27;s frame, and use this ability to explore the galaxy. When it finds places of interest or that are particularly useful for replication it might hang around.<p>I&#x27;m do not think that is what is going on but it is certainly a possibility. Very remote, of course.
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throwawaygal7将近 4 年前
Aliens are like angels and demons in 12 century Europe- they&#x27;re everywhere but you&#x27;ll never see them.
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ctvo将近 4 年前
A person without actual expertise dismisses numerous accounts by trained pilots who saw this first hand by Googling for YouTube explanations and calling these witnesses liars or incompetents.<p>Does this person happen to work in tech?
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carapace将近 4 年前
I didn&#x27;t see it mentioned here yet but this went by three days ago: &quot;‘Something’s going on’: UFOs threaten national security, US politicians warn&quot;<p>&gt; Some members of Congress were given advanced details about Pentagon report, which is scheduled to be released before 25 June<p>&gt; A group of senior American politicians have warned that UFOs pose “national security concerns” after getting a confidential briefing on a highly anticipated report on unidentified aerial phenomena that is set to be released later this month.<p>&gt; Some members of Congress were given advanced details about the contents of the Pentagon report, which is scheduled to be released before 25 June, and several said they are deeply worried about the findings.<p>&gt; “Clearly, something’s going on that we can’t handle,” Tim Burchett, a Republican congressman from Tennessee, told TMZ.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;us-news&#x2F;2021&#x2F;jun&#x2F;17&#x2F;ufos-us-report-national-security-concerns" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;us-news&#x2F;2021&#x2F;jun&#x2F;17&#x2F;ufos-us-repo...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27542883" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27542883</a>
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Zenst将近 4 年前
Interesting thought, but once we find Aliens, then we ourselves also become Aliens...too the other species.<p>Indeed if you look up the definition in dictionaries for the word &quot;Alien&quot; you get definitions all routed in `fear of the unknown`. For example Colins: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.collinsdictionary.com&#x2F;dictionary&#x2F;english&#x2F;alien" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.collinsdictionary.com&#x2F;dictionary&#x2F;english&#x2F;alien</a><p>Makes you wonder how things can be interpreted and some extraterrestrial species did discover us, would they have the same fear of the unknown definition.
denton-scratch将近 4 年前
I agree with nearly everything the professor says. Hell, it doesn&#x27;t take a professor; it&#x27;s not that hard. It seems very probable that there are aliens; and for most of them, it seems very improbable that they can get to us, or us to them.<p>I disagree with him when he proposes that (a) a civilisation founded a billion years ago might still exist; and (b) that such a billion-year-old civilisation would have overcome aging (and on a long journey, they&#x27;d have to overcome evolution too).<p>Further, my view is that our interest in aliens is something that has grown up in the last 200 years. Once it becomes clear to us that no aliens are close-enough to us to be reachable, or to reach us, we&#x27;ll lose interest.<p>And we&#x27;ll stop looking for their signals; we&#x27;ll understand that after something in the order of 200 years of them discovering the universe, they&#x27;ll have realised that there&#x27;s no point in communicating with us.<p>My guess is that there&#x27;s a pretty short window when a civilisation is interested in communicating with aliens.
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tamaharbor将近 4 年前
It would cost a lot of money for Earthlings to send an occasional mission to the relatively nearby Moon or Mars. There must be a lot of really affluent civilizations in the universes.
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fsn4dN69ey将近 4 年前
I guess they&#x27;re reasonable explanations if the sole piece of &quot;evidence&quot; was camera recordings - but they have numerous eyewitnesses for all of these events, including tracking on the associated carriers for some of them, validating the movements. Being outright dismissive because maybe it could be possibly a camera artifact but ignoring multiple trained eyewitnesses and confirmation from other electronic sources makes me think it is not just a camera artifact.
bsenftner将近 4 年前
&gt; Instead, what we’re seeing is ordinary phenomena, treated irresponsibly and incompetently by the news media.<p>This is journalism, the entire industry, in a single sentence.
ArtDev将近 4 年前
Recall that &quot;earthquake lights&quot; were not recognized by science until recently. The sometimes giant balls of lights (proceeding an earthquake) were the source of many UFO sightings.<p>These Navy videos are not glitches, human error, or aliens.. or foreign tech. I think these are meteors with qualities yet to be undiscovered!
Geee将近 4 年前
I&#x27;m going to pay careful attention to other news on the same day when the report drops.
creamytaco将近 4 年前
I find these superficial debunkers even more tedious than the aliens are here crowd, since they selectively focus only on evidence that supports their POV whilst conveniently ignoring everything else.<p>Given eye-witness testimony by trained pilots there are two possibilities that I see:<p>+ Pilots are telling the truth, the phenomenon is real, the actors unknown (could be the US, foreign adversaries, ..)<p>+ Pilots are lying and this is some sort of prank or government propaganda &#x2F; psychological operation.<p>What&#x27;s not at all probable given the facts, are the explanations that fakenous.net put up.
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