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What it's like to be cancelled

399 点作者 noahbradley将近 4 年前

67 条评论

prepend将近 4 年前
I think the biggest problem with Twitter is that we can’t determine a denominator. Twitter knows, but we don’t know.<p>100 people tweeting about how this guy is bad might be indicative of a general consensus or might just be 100 people out of a billion Twitter users. People then interpret it as general consensus and pile on.<p>We know the numerator but since we don’t know the denominator of people who didn’t comment, or disagree, or never saw, or don’t care. So we can’t figure out a ratio and many people assume the denominator is the numerator and the ratio is 1.<p>“The world won’t do business with this guy, I better fire him” doesn’t make sense if it’s just a very small ratio as who cares if 100 people are upset and 1,000,000 customers don’t care.<p>I wish Twitter had some ratio of who viewed vs who acted. Or had downvotes or something. Currently, people assuming that a few commenters is everyone is doing bad things.<p>This coupled with there’s always someone or a small group who holds an opinion so putting too much weight into a few commenters is not smart. Yet frequently done.
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overgard将近 4 年前
I&#x27;ve fortunately never been cancelled (I don&#x27;t think I even have enough of a footprint or visibility for that to happen).<p>From everything I&#x27;ve observed, the absolute worst thing you can do is apologize to the people attempting to cancel you. It&#x27;s just pouring gasoline on the fire.<p>These people will <i>never</i> say <i>&quot;oh, you learned from your mistakes, I guess I&#x27;ll back off&quot;</i>. Most of them don&#x27;t really <i>care</i> about the truth, they care about signaling. So an apology only vindicates them.<p>As far as I can tell, the thing to always keep in mind is if you wait a few days these things always pass pretty quickly. The internet has a <i>very</i> short attention span. As long as you never give those people a confirmation that you did something you regret, you&#x27;re much better off in the future.<p>Of course you should <i>privately</i> apologize and make amends for things you&#x27;ve done wrong; but those things are always more effective privately and personally done anyway.
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Animats将近 4 年前
What he&#x27;s supposed to have done: “I was terrible to women. I preyed on them. I ceaselessly hit on them. I pressured them into sex. I got too drunk and did all manner of dumb things.”<p>None of which is illegal. It&#x27;s not even a matter for civil litigation. He was not accused of doing this as a boss in an organization. Or in a workplace context. There were apparently no criminal charges. No EEOC complaints filed.[1] No abusive workplace charges.[2]<p>So he acted like a jerk in social situations. It&#x27;s grounds for being, say, thrown out of a nightclub. But not fired.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eeoc.gov&#x2F;sexual-harassment" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eeoc.gov&#x2F;sexual-harassment</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nolo.com&#x2F;legal-encyclopedia&#x2F;california-sexual-harassment-laws.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nolo.com&#x2F;legal-encyclopedia&#x2F;california-sexual-ha...</a>
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throwaway34017将近 4 年前
I recently gave a test lecture about a topic in statistics, where I showed a meme that a statistics professor I follow shared on her Twitter feed [1]. I thought it would be safe to include as it didn&#x27;t get any negative reactions on Twitter and was already being used by a professor in her university class in the US. After the talk I immediately got called out by the women&#x27;s representative on the hiring commission, who asked me how I would think students would react to such a meme. I then explained how it makes fun of the statistical property of the mean being easily &quot;attracted&quot; by outlier data points, as opposed to the median which is usually not as sensitive.<p>She did not explain what she saw as problematic. Maybe that a couple in a relationship situation was shown or that an attractive woman was in the foreground, or that the man openly expressed his attraction towards the other woman. I apologized profusley and tried to explain that I&#x27;m not an insensitive or sexist person, which she seemed to imply with her remark though.<p>I have been thinking about this incident for several days now, as I really can&#x27;t make up my mind if I did something wrong or not by including the meme. If anyone want to add his&#x2F;her opinion I&#x27;d be grateful therefore. The lecture was directed at B.Sc. students at a university in Europe BTW.<p>Personally I can say it feels quite bad being called out like that, especially as someone who has never (consciously) done anything discriminatory against women or minorities. And as someone who&#x27;s quite sensitive I can say that it definitely has a chilling effect on me.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;annaegalite&#x2F;status&#x2F;1166446645204213760" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;annaegalite&#x2F;status&#x2F;1166446645204213760</a>
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legitster将近 4 年前
Honestly, the biggest mistake people make is issuing public apologies.<p>So far, we have very few examples of them actually working. On the contrary, any amount of admission seems to show weakness. The &quot;controversy&quot; around Lin-Manuel Miranda seems to have come nearly entirely from his apology to a very small group of disappointed fans.<p>There are even more examples of very publicly terrible people who have skirted worse controversies simply by ignoring them! There is no reward for being self-aware or apologetic. But there are rewards for unyielding self-righteousness.
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radmuzom将近 4 年前
Earlier this year when Richard Stallman was re-instated to the Board of the FSF, there were a lot of tweets expressing dismay. To one of them, I replied that I personally don&#x27;t think he has done anything wrong at all - and linked to a well-known article by a woman who defended him better than me. While I found some support among a few people, the amount of hate I received shook me a bit. People started adding me to lists like &quot;a list of people who tweet stupid things&quot;. It went on for a couple of days. The good thing is that I am a nobody - I am not known in any popular online communities, I am not famous and no one really cares who I am - so I could not be cancelled. But the amount of negative emotions and energy directed at me did affect me for a couple of days. After that event, I sympathize much more with people who have been cancelled (earlier I tended to support those doing the cancelling even though I did not tweet&#x2F;comment myself).
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daenz将近 4 年前
&gt;If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.<p>-Cardinal Richelieu<p>If some people want to use the internet to destroy your reputation, they will, and there&#x27;s very little that you can do about it. You can&#x27;t prove anything to anyone, and once people smell blood, they frenzy on you, regardless of the truth.
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deft将近 4 年前
You can find his original apology here. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hipstersofthecoast.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;06&#x2F;noah-bradley-admits-to-being-a-sexual-predator-at-art-industry-events&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hipstersofthecoast.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;06&#x2F;noah-bradley-admi...</a><p>Maybe if he wasn&#x27;t so self-loathing in it the consequences wouldn&#x27;t have been as extreme. When the mob comes for you its best to just ignore it rather than give in to their demands. He called himself a sexual predator, what kind of impression does that give?<p>A sidenote, this happened at the same time as the Smash bros community was experiencing a &quot;metoo&quot;-ish moment, and it dragged a lot of nerdy hobbies into the mix. Many innocent people were cancelled last June, and not all of them managed to get out from the hole like Noah sadly.
shadeslayer_将近 4 年前
I&#x27;m a bit sceptical about this because it talks very little about what happened that caused OP to get &quot;cancelled&quot;, and an awful lot about how they came back from it. I do understand, first-hand, the trauma that comes from being cancelled (although I have like 1500 followers on Twitter so you could argue the stakes are less) and there&#x27;s no doubt that it is a bitch. But there is something to take away from it - or at least there was in my case - which was that I, in fact, was an asshole. That does not seem to be the overarching narrative of this post, and I do not see a lot of learning they have done from being cancelled.<p>In conclusion, kudos to the way you bounced back but I really wish there was a bit more introspection into how you see your past behaviour in the light of being cancelled.
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AlexandrB将近 4 年前
The &quot;You&#x27;re Wrong About&quot; podcast recently had a very good episode on the topic of Cancel Culture[1]. For me, one big takeaway was how the modern form of this phenomenon is largely localized to a small group of people - primarily on Twitter. Thus I was not surprised to see Twitter be ground zero here as well.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;podcasts.apple.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;podcast&#x2F;cancel-culture&#x2F;id1380008439?i=1000524480233" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;podcasts.apple.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;podcast&#x2F;cancel-culture&#x2F;id13800...</a>
ceilingcorner将近 4 年前
American culture has a really bizarre mix of two things, which you can see playing out here.<p>1. Oversexualizing everything. Imagery, video, Tinder, clothing styles, everything is in your face sex all the time.<p>2. Remnants of a Puritan approach to sex. Absolutely nothing is okay unless explicit consent is given repeatedly. Even hugs are considered sexual harassment if not explicitly approved.<p>I’m not casting judgment and saying X approach to sex is the right one. But this tension is bound to result in events like the one in the link. It mostly just sounds like this guy got drunk and hit on girls with a little too much fervor. Not a great thing, but probably not something one should obsess over years later.<p>Everyone needs to lighten up, frankly.
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laurent123456将近 4 年前
It seems it&#x27;s better to stay away entirely from certain sensitive topics. No matter your intentions, no matter what you actually think, it just takes a bit of misunderstanding or bad faith and the whole thing explode.
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Imnimo将近 4 年前
&gt;I understand why the companies fired me and don’t blame them. Nobody wants to invite a shitstorm.<p>I don&#x27;t think this is why, or at least all of why. If I&#x27;m Wizards, and I&#x27;m promoting your art, organizing conventions and events with you as a guest, etc., I would feel some amount of moral responsibility for predatory behavior that enables. I would want my game and my community to be safe for women, and I think it would be hard to say that was the case if I were still working with someone who had been predatory. Especially because it was exactly the success of working with big-name clients like Wizards that had enabled that predatory behavior. I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;d be entirely satisfied with &quot;I used to be a predator but I&#x27;m not anymore&quot;.<p>I do love a lot of your artwork, but summarizing the reason Wizards stopped working with you as &quot;Nobody wants to invite a shitstorm.&quot; is not the sort of statement that makes me want to see you return to the Magic community.
hexenduction将近 4 年前
Anyone go dig up the public apology from last year? No wonder it isn&#x27;t linked, it literally is him saying he preyed on women, and pressured them into sex, with alcohol involved, verbatim, I&#x27;m not trying to stretch it.<p>Turning that around into his own personal trauma narrative from the consequences of those actions is really hitting the wrong nerve for me here. Sure, apologize, learn and grow, people can change, but maybe don&#x27;t write a post what you learned from a large public backlash, is that the backlash was the problem.
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vagrantJin将近 4 年前
I personally dont have twitter, insta, FB except for dummy work accounts, but I will say this. If a company or person takes Twitter half seriously, thats a red flag. What a person does outside of work should not even be considered until and unless there are legal ramfications.<p>The are a lot of scary things about cancel culture, one being that it is remarkably like of witch hunts or the purges of the middle ages. More closer to home, the most vile of facist regimes would be licking their lips in approval of how a mere toy, a trinket, can be used to such great effect with little no due process. The reason why the law exists and why it is essential in protecting the rights of indviduals and the whole idea of democracy probably doesnt register, at least in an academic sense, with our twitter warriors. But I cant blame them. They&#x27;re child-like. We are unfortunately a generation that refuses to grow up and caught in some weird disney loop, pseudo-adult, stage still waiting for the day we actually get to be adults.<p>My gripe is with the people who have to make decisions and take it upon themselves to include <i>schoolyard gossip</i> as part of their process.<p>It&#x27;s beyond reckoning at this point.
3grdlurker将近 4 年前
We talk about cancel culture like it’s a new horrible thing that’s developed only recently but I don’t see it that way. The internet definitely amplifies the effects, but unkindness begets unkindness, and the consequences or the social cost of one’s unkindness will always catch up to an individual at some point.<p>That said, I draw a line at defamation. When someone is accusing someone online of having committed a crime, I think that the proper reaction would be to stay quiet and let it play out in a court, if it ever gets there. I also don’t think that companies should be allowed to fire employees based on accusations that have not yet been proven to be true, though, of course, it is justifiable once they are proven.
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yifanl将近 4 年前
The worst part (for me at least) of social media mobs is that they can only ever &quot;cancel&quot; someone who genuinely wants to engage in good faith. Someone who earnestly wants to talk to an audience suffers so much more than someone who just disconnects and continues writing their (supposedly) horrible opinions.<p>And it makes discourse online as a whole worse as more people start to realize this and we stop having conversations and instead just start talking over one another online.
cratermoon将近 4 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;articles.starcitygames.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;mtg-artist-noah-bradley-apologizes-for-having-preyed-on-women&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;articles.starcitygames.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;mtg-artist-noah-brad...</a>
theossuary将近 4 年前
Twitter is vile. I thought that the day the company started, and never created an account; nothing good can come from a platform like Twitter. It&#x27;s a failure of our laws that there&#x27;s no recourse to this kind of libel, either against Twitter for basing their business model on it, or the individuals responsible for spreading it. Lives are consistently destroyed and everyone just shrugs their shoulders and goes &quot;aw-shucks.&quot;<p>Natalie Wynn talks about this on Contrapoints, worth watching as well - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=OjMPJVmXxV8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=OjMPJVmXxV8</a>
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chmod600将近 4 年前
A reminder that it&#x27;s OK to not take sides and just support your friends. Maybe they did something bad, but we all make some serious errors in judgement.<p>One of my friends was not cancelled but shunned by a lot of people. Not sure exactly why; it was probably a lot of minor stuff that added up.<p>I just asked him straight: &quot;did you do anything bad enough that I shouldn&#x27;t be friends with you?&quot;. He said &quot;no&quot; and we moved on.<p>Cancelling or shunning is usually not the right punishment even if someone does something pretty bad. Unless someone who is a cultural model (e.g. CEO), and just can&#x27;t do their job any more, cancelling doesn&#x27;t really solve a problem. It just makes people hypersensitive, politically-correct, and quiet. That&#x27;s not a healthy environment.
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headShrinker将近 4 年前
I can relate on a small scale. People feed on chaos. Their evening primetime dramas aren&#x27;t enough to sustain them so it spills out on twitter. No amount of apology or understanding will stop them because if they accept the conclusion, their favorite reality show ends with a thud.<p>I got canceled in the group I founded. 12 years ago I started a reddit community based on my relationships and attractions. After building to 28k subs 10 years later, fb groups and meetups around the country. Animosity toward leadership and mods began to form. A small group of users formed resistance and started a scuffle in a post, then threats toward meetup attendees directed at mods started appearing on the discord. Complaints started appearing on the facebook group. There was no reasoning or logic to their complaints and they almost seemed incorrigible... like a bloodlust. In the end, I was forced out and exiled. I would later learn that the resistance was mostly unstable crazed users who fed on drama. Since the event their reddit and facebook profiles document a life in chaos for each of them.<p>It&#x27;s weird not being able to speak in a community you designed and built over a decade. Even as your face&#x2F;likeness and artwork is still in use in all the published materials. Thankfully things have mostly calmed down now.
FemmeAndroid将近 4 年前
I cannot imagine a colleague writing the following and not being fired, and effectively outcast from most employers in my industry, especially when it’s happening at industry events:<p>&gt; I was terrible to women.<p>&gt; I preyed on them. I ceaselessly hit on them. I pressured them into sex. I got too drunk and did all manner of dumb things. Yes, I was one of those shitty, creepy sexual predators you hear about.<p>I work in a fairly established industry, and that would be completely unacceptable. Even if it happened decades ago. I’ve seen people be fired for much less inappropriate behavior.<p>In the article, Noah writes:<p>&gt; I had changed my behavior long before my apology was written last year. I had figured out why I had done what I had, why it was unhealthy, and how to change.<p>I’d love to read more about that process. His past behaviors and the similar behaviors of many other men - drunkenly pressuring women into sex - negatively affect far more people than cancelling does.
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GPerson将近 4 年前
Damn. Sorry Noah. I don’t know if you’re reading this page but if you are I just want to thank you for the resources you’ve put out.
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Seattle3503将近 4 年前
It&#x27;s disappointing how many people say &quot;apologies don&#x27;t work&quot;. The purpose of an apology isn&#x27;t to salvage your reputation, it is to help victims move forward.
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dfxm12将近 4 年前
<i>My life ended on June 21, 2020</i><p>Who wrote this post then? I know you go on much later to say that <i>not everyone gets a chance to start over again but I have</i>, so do you have <i>some</i> perspective. At a high level, you got fired from your job, lost some friends, got depressed, but found light at the end of the tunnel and are working again, a year later (a year where <i>a lot</i> of people found themselves out of work for many reasons, mind you). I&#x27;ve got some news for you, like the chairman of the board says, <i>that&#x27;s life</i>.<p>But to say your life ended for mistakes you admit to making when so many people&#x27;s lives are actually ended in situations that have nothing to do with them (Matthew Shepard, George Floyd, etc.), you have the temerity to say <i>your</i> life ended? This shows you have a lot of perspective to gain.
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koheripbal将近 4 年前
&quot;Be a super hero online. Do not use your real name. Do not show your face.&quot;<p>-- Dad&#x27;s Rule #1 of the internet
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karaterobot将近 4 年前
The terrifying thing about this article is that after all of this, he&#x27;s still on Twitter, and still feels like he has to be on Twitter for the exposure it gives him.
scythe将近 4 年前
It&#x27;s a little weird to hear about people being &quot;cancelled&quot; for things that they <i>did</i>. Usually, to me, &quot;cancel culture&quot; is the phenomenon where people are relentlessly harassed for what they <i>said</i>, or in some (rare) cases, where they were (&quot;so-and-so pictured with so-and-so at such-and-such&quot;). People getting in trouble for <i>doing</i> stuff doesn&#x27;t strike me as a particularly new or unique cultural phenomenon.
jeeyoungk将近 4 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;scryfall.com&#x2F;search?q=a%3A%E2%80%9CNoah+Bradley%E2%80%9D&amp;unique=art" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;scryfall.com&#x2F;search?q=a%3A%E2%80%9CNoah+Bradley%E2%8...</a><p>If you want to see some of his Magic: The Gathering illustrations
anotheraccount9将近 4 年前
Many are looking for scapegoats to focus their anger. It gives them a feeling of doing the right thing and offers virtue signaling in the process. If you throw a rock at someone on the wrong side, surely you must be on the right side.
anm89将近 4 年前
I think without specifically coordinated strategies to fight this, organized by the communities themselves, the cancelers will win and take over these communities because the game theory says they will win every time and pragmatic people are going to defect to the winning team lest be open to attack themselves.<p>Look how this damaged this community though. All the broken friendships, lost jobs. At the end of the day, the people who didn&#x27;t come to his defense I think will in many ways be the losers. They are the ones left in the weakened community.
Ensorceled将近 4 年前
There has to be room among the woke for the awakening or we never make progress.<p>I think this is the essence of any legitimate criticism of cancel culture. The lack of nuance and the lack of room.<p>Do I ever want to see Bill Cosby or OJ Simpson in a new role? No. Some levels of horrible are unforgivable. Cancel away.<p>Woody Allen. Same.<p>Louis C.K.? Maybe? Unlikely. Certainly not until he makes some kind of real effort&#x2F;apology&#x2F;reparations.<p>Noah Bradley? Assuming this article is accurate and sincere? There are a lot of Noah Bradley&#x27;s in the world, do they deserve a second chance?
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JackFr将近 4 年前
I’m not unsympathetic with the author, but I have to admit I’m not completely sympathetic either.<p>&gt; I woke up to several people tagging me in a twitter thread for my sleezy behavior at some art events many years ago. I wasn’t that person any more and I wanted to apologize for being an asshole in the past. I had apologized privately for everything, but I hoped it might show my sincerity and commitment to being better to address it publicly.<p>That smells more like PR damage control than sincerity.<p>The Twitter mob is bad. On that we can agree. And I cannot plumb the depths of his heart.<p>But apologizing doesn’t absolve you of bad behavior. And if someone doesn’t accept your apology (possibly believing it’s insincere) and brings up your “sleezy behavior at some art events many years ago”, calling them out and saying I’m not that guy anymore is not really owning his behavior.<p>&gt; I made some desktop wallpapers to remind myself of those various laws because I have a poor memory and wanted to remind myself of them while I was reading a bunch of history books.<p>Come. On. “If you’re explaining, you’re losing.”
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mkr-hn将近 4 年前
I appreciate where he goes into what people latched on to and recontextualized. We shouldn&#x27;t have to pre-parse everything we say and do for any possibly uncharitable read, but it can feel like it&#x27;s necessary sometimes, and maybe others can learn from stuff like this.<p>I was on the receiving end of smaller versions of this back when Twitter rage mobs were new and no one knew what to make of them. It was impossible to sort good faith criticism from people blasting their generally poor disposition at you even when it was only hundreds of people screaming. I can&#x27;t imagine how it feels with a modern swarm.
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underseacables将近 4 年前
I was reading about the mob going after Billie Eilish and it made me very sad, because her so-called sins were committed when she was 14. Cancel culture is this monster that has no decency, and no point other than tk ruin peoples lives at the lulz and amusement of the masses. Our most prudent step for the future is to get off social media, and for companies to stop giving in to the mobs. My heart goes out to this guy. I’m not condoning, forgiving, or excusing anything he has done, but when did this country turn its back on forgiveness and redemption?
nsxwolf将近 4 年前
Be anonymous. Be obscure. Stop talking to people on the internet.
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aliasEli将近 4 年前
The sad thing about it that most of his attackers also want more men to come forward and admit their wrong-doings. Their reaction will men only more reluctant to admit anything.
sho_hn将近 4 年前
A similar story told by a media critic and novelist, Lindsey Ellis, who got in trouble with a tweet that was considered insensitive: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;C7aWz8q_IM4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;C7aWz8q_IM4</a>
xwdv将近 4 年前
If you find yourself the target of a cancellation attempt, <i>never</i> give in. <i>Never</i> apologize. If you do, the problem isn’t going to go away, it will get worse. No apology is ever enough. No punishment is ever enough. There is no way to redeem yourself in the eyes of the public. Apologizing is making yourself humbled and vulnerable to a mob that does not deserve it. You will roll over to expose your belly in submission asking for mercy and instead get your guts torn out and burned.<p>Instead you must harden. Deny everything. Gaslight. You will know you have won when the mob grows tired and cynical from their inability to destroy you.<p>When the dust has settled, all that will matter is that no one came forward with hard evidence, only he-said-she-said bullshit.<p>You can downvote me all you want, it does not change the truth.
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jollybean将近 4 年前
These pile-ons have transformed journalists from &#x27;news people&#x27; who might have an opinion now and again - to &#x27;mob leaders who think they are in control and have moral impetus&#x27;.<p>Couple that with an actually dangerous president (that is not a political statement), and a cop who murders someone in plain daylight, with an underlying pandemic and you have 3 of the dark horsemen right there.<p>I believe Dorsey revels in this part of it and I don&#x27;t like him for that. Zuck seems to be more interested in just getting people to watch ads, which is bad, but not the same thing.<p>I grew up respecting journalism, and I think it&#x27;s an important industry, like the invisible 5th pillar of government ... but I just assume everything I read is hugely biased to the point of lacking in credibility.
systemvoltage将近 4 年前
There are real humans behind this outrage and cancel culture is much deeper than Twitter. It might be a tool to organize but I’ve seen cancel culture outside of the context of Twitter. At workplaces, friend circles, organizations and even within families.<p>Cancel culture is a fight by one group to gain moral superiority over others. When you do that, there is no way anyone can defend including the author. Instead of criticizing the argument, they doubt people’s souls, intent, and motivation, their core values - without a second thought. That’s toxic. Our culture and heritage is built upon trust and respect.<p>For some reason, cancel culture is dominated by Progressives which is profoundly hypocritical: Progressive causes are about acceptance, forgiveness, inclusion and equality.
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visarga将近 4 年前
Mob justice is biased against people who are mobbable (have something to lose, are public persons). Is that justice?
silexia将近 4 年前
I enjoyed reading this article by a man who was canceled in social media and fired from his job. People had a knee-jerk reaction to a book he wrote in a goofy childish style to try to get laughs. They did not take into account the actual context of his book, they simply took a few lines out of it out of context and generated a whole bunch of Twitter rage. Apple, a pretty scummy company at this point in time, actually fired the man over it.<p>My company has a huge diversity of nationalities, religions, and every type of individual working here. If my employees launched a cancellation crusade every time they saw something they didn’t like in someone else, our company would crash and burn fast. We have employees from Pakistan and India, which have a lot of hostility to each other. We have employees who are Christian, Hindus, Islamic, among others. We have employees who are straight, gay, trans, etc. To protect everyone, we keep all of our focus on work rather than trying to browbeat people about politics or religion or anything else. All we care about is the performance of our company towards our goals.<p>The way to solve societal issues like systemic discrimination is to eliminate all traces of it and focus on a pure meritocracy. Attempts to use reverse discrimination are extraordinarily misguided and dangerous, and will lead to the worst kinds of backlash. We already saw that happen following world war I when the Germans were discriminated against and developed so much anger that Hitler was able to rise and bring on world war II.
mmmBacon将近 4 年前
It seems like most social media platforms are hazardous to your health and livelihood and there’s very little upside to voicing your opinions.
runnr_az将近 4 年前
A little context might be helpful here?
kleiba将近 4 年前
I don&#x27;t know the guy, and I don&#x27;t know what happened. That&#x27;s why I certainly don&#x27;t want to side with anyone in this specific case.<p>But boy, cancel culture and this whole social justice warrior crap makes me so glad that I moved away from the U.S. many years ago to saner parts of the world.<p>Obviously that is going to get me downvoted to oblivion here on HN. But hey.
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aestetix将近 4 年前
There is only one correct response to these twitter mobs: say nothing.
bobthechef将近 4 年前
May I suggest the confessional next time.
nme01将近 4 年前
All of those hatefull actions usually come from those which strongly support criminalizing hate speech (i.e. critique of anything they believe in)
EastSmith将近 4 年前
We need social DDoS protection.
croes将近 4 年前
History does not repeat itself but it rhymes. Rhymes with witch hunt and lynch mob.
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only_as_i_fall将近 4 年前
Maybe just don&#x27;t be a womanizer idk?<p>Never been a problem for me.
throwaway111999将近 4 年前
I&#x27;m terrified of interacting with female coworkers.<p>I don&#x27;t have a &quot;-ist&quot; bone in my body. When I review code, I only see the code and not the person that wrote it. When I pick a team, I look at engineering ability and nothing else. I abhor discriminatory behavior and would be the first to put my career on the line to defend someone getting discriminated against. And of course I keep anything sexual FAR FAR FAAAR outside of work.<p>Sometimes I write &quot;guys&quot; in chat (out of habit) and get a rush of anxiety. Did I offend someone? Should I correct it? If I correct it, will it make it more obvious? What if I get called out for using that word? How should I respond without making myself look like a goon?<p>I&#x27;ve stopped giving negative feedback. It started when I needed to give negative feedback to a female engineer who wasn&#x27;t doing well. I was terrified of being perceived as sexist so I just gave neutral&#x2F;positive feedback to protect myself. I didn&#x27;t want it to look bad so I did the same for male coworkers. Now I just give everyone positive feedback all the time. Yea, it looks like I&#x27;m a doormat or just dumb but it&#x27;s worth the sense of safety I feel.<p>I never EVER make jokes at work. I don&#x27;t tell stories about my life. I certainly don&#x27;t share political opinions. I don&#x27;t talk about my hobbies because those might (at some point, not now) be correlated with something &quot;-ist&quot;. Not worth the risk.<p>I obviously don&#x27;t post on social media. I do intend to start at some point, but everything I post will go through a heavy handed PR filter. I&#x27;m thinking it&#x27;ll all be positive&#x2F;supportive. No complaining, no calling anyone out, no responding to politicians or popular figures, and definitely never supporting anyone that I don&#x27;t know personally.<p>It&#x27;s exhausting but at least it&#x27;s opt-in. I just want a calm day to day life.
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Udik将近 4 年前
We have class actions, where hundreds or thousands of people can join together and sue a company- the claims for each consumer might be small, but put together they can add up to a substantial value.<p>We could do with the inverse, too. One person could sue for small-ish claims hundreds of harassers. You called me a rapist on social media together with a mob of idiots? Good, that&#x27;s libel for you and for the other thousand who did. It&#x27;s going to cost you 10 grands and a reprimand- not enough for a single court case maybe, but put them together and they can be worth it :)
draw_down将近 4 年前
&gt; I had apologized privately for everything, but I hoped it might show my sincerity and commitment to being better to address it publicly. So I wrote up a statement<p>First mistake. You can’t give in to this stuff. It does not make it better. It makes it worse.
SassyGrapefruit将近 4 年前
Maybe the author could consider an alternate title for his article.<p>&quot;I engaged in sexual misconduct with multiple women. This behavior may imply life long psychological consequence for them. Yes they are the victims but let&#x27;s take a minute consider its made me feel.&quot;<p>I think we all know the answer...who cares.
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ThaDood将近 4 年前
I guess the simple rule of not being a dick still holds a little truth.
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tijuco2将近 4 年前
He should be worried about the fact that he accepted other people telling him how to behave. THAT&#x27;S humiliating.
kylebgorman将近 4 年前
Sorry but this person isn&#x27;t <i>nearly</i> famous enough to have been &quot;cancelled&quot;.
brink将近 4 年前
Does anyone think it&#x27;s any coincidence that the woke mob began cancelling people, and almost immediately it seems like every corporate entity in existence is &quot;woke&quot;?<p>Intimidation sadly works.
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theHIDninja将近 4 年前
Stop using the term Cancel Culture. It has a much more light-hearted sound to it than the act could ever be. A more accurate term would be &quot;Scapegoat Culture&quot;, as that is what these degenerate users partake in. They cast their problems onto someone and then force them out of society.<p>Instead of saying &quot;He got cancelled by the Twitter mob&quot;, say &quot;he got scapegoated by the Twitter mob&quot;
daenz将近 4 年前
I just assume at some point in my life, if I achieve my dreams, I&#x27;m going to get cancelled. If you have big aspirations, you should assume this too. Start preparing mentally for it.
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doggodaddo78将近 4 年前
I still don&#x27;t understand &quot;cancel culture.&quot; It seems the equivalent of a random person saying &quot;I put a voodoo curse on you.&quot; What non-mythological power does it invoke? Does it ever lead to mainstream, widespread shunning?<p>The next part I don&#x27;t understand is the weak culture of profuse and repeated apologizing and contrition for a &quot;microaggression.&quot; This is something Bill Maher harps about from time-to-time.<p>Finally, the culture of competitive, and sometimes crybully, victimhood is tedious and nauseating. Why does everyone have to outdo themselves to be the biggest victim? Are you &quot;The Man&quot; to be collectively punished and assaulted if you don&#x27;t have enough victomology points?
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foldr将近 4 年前
I looked into this briefly (against my better judgment). He stated in his apology that he was a &#x27;sexual predator&#x27; and that he &#x27;pressured women into sex&#x27;. So yeah, a lot of organisations now don&#x27;t want to associate with him. It&#x27;s nice that he&#x27;s sorry for what he did, but actions have consequences. And the line between pressuring people into sex and raping them is very, very fine.
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RcouF1uZ4gsC将近 4 年前
I think the libel and defamation laws are too slack in the US. I think Twitter and News Companies who repeat libelous and defamatory tweets about people should be liable.<p>Society has dealt with how to deal with people spreading rumors and falsehoods about people, and one of the solutions was libel laws. It is not surprising as the. US Supreme Court gutted those laws, and Congress gave safe harbor with section 230 to tech companies, that we have seen a huge spike in these problems.<p>Hold Twitter, the posters, and any retweeters jointly and severally liable and watch the problem disappear.
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rvz将近 4 年前
Great blog-post. I find it pointless for this &#x27;cancelling-cult&#x27; to even be a thing. It achieves nothing but destruction and it is beyond medieval standards.<p>It&#x27;s like the mob wants to find a new villain every week, because of a somewhat past &#x27;crime&#x27; on Twitter or a mistake that we disavowed our younger-self online and they still force us to apologise for it.<p>Even when we begin to apologise, it is never enough and they go to great lengths to cancel anyone who either doesn&#x27;t agree with them or basically just want to be part of pushing &#x27;this game&#x27; too far. No point in apologising or reasoning with them if they aren&#x27;t go to accept the apology. They&#x27;ll just continue the witch-hunt and move on to the next villain to be thrown into the lost and banned.<p>This cancelling-cult has got to stop. It has gotten out of control.
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fration将近 4 年前
You did not get cancelled for questionable comments online, or wrongthink, or whatever. You got burned for being a sexual predator. Stop making posts about it online, stop downplaying what you did by saying &quot;I was a different person&quot;. Learn to live with the consequences of your actions.
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