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Private Gmail and Docs alternatives: Proton, Skiff, and more

134 点作者 janjones将近 4 年前

23 条评论

actuator将近 4 年前
E2E is mentioned in the article as a target for few of the alternatives mentioned but how do you trust these companies to build the E2E tech safely unless it is open and if not E2E, I would trust them way less than big companies like Google to keep my data safe as data security is hard. Almost every other day some service gets breached.<p>If ads on Gmail are a concern, it is mentioned briefly in the article, you can get Google Workspace for yourself as a single user. It is way cheaper than the alternatives as well and after trying out Hey last year, I personally prefer Gmail.<p>Here is an excerpt from Google&#x27;s workspace page (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;workspace.google.com&#x2F;security" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;workspace.google.com&#x2F;security</a>):<p>&gt; No ads, ever. Google does not collect, scan, or use your data in Google Workspace services for advertising purposes and we do not display ads in Google Workspace. We use your data to provide Google Workspace services, and for system support, such as spam filtering, virus detection, spell-checking, capacity planning, traffic routing, and the ability to search for emails and files within an individual account.
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minton将近 4 年前
My company recently tried to find an alternative to Google Workspace.<p>We looked at Hey and really liked it. However, they lacked a calendar and we felt training some of our less technical users would be too much effort.<p>We tried ProtonMail (Business account) but ran into these issues: - no shared Calendar - no way to enforce MFA - no way to enforce a password policy - no way to forward emails (except manually) so we can use Zapier - no way to help employees with password resets<p>In the end we just stayed with Google as we couldn’t find a competitor with matching services.
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alberth将近 4 年前
It’s interesting Proton is featured instead of Fastmail … especially given that Vivaldi (who is featured) has a close partnership with Fastmail.<p>Off topic: I wish Fastmail provided SSO (IdP) services. I want to move my small business over to it but lack of SSO is a blocker. I guess I’ll just continue to use it for personal.
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tut-urut-utut将近 4 年前
Wow, page talking about privacy that get 44% of the page blocked by AdBlock Origin. There are so many trackers that I had to scroll the list to see everything that is blocked.<p>I&#x27;m not even sure I want to check the actual content anymore.
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12ian34将近 4 年前
&gt;To truly take on the likes of Google, they need to build ecosystems instead of just one unique service.<p>I&#x27;d like to see this leverage decentralisation and&#x2F;or open standards rather than see each of these companies building interoperable walled gardens. I think this dream is unlikely because sadly it&#x27;s less obvious as an option for monetisation which, at the end of the day, is why each of these companies exist.
tupac_speedrap将近 4 年前
The UX on that website more akin to torture than an actual user experience. Not only an auto playing video but one that actually chases you down the page and I can&#x27;t block the element because I&#x27;m on a work laptop.
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sgrove将近 4 年前
Depending on your use case - specifically for notes - Serenity notes [0] might fill the niche:<p><pre><code> * End to end encrypted * Fully collaborative via CRDTs * Mobile clients </code></pre> They have some ideas to incorporate zero-knowledge proofs to even remove some of the metadata that leaks from watch encrypted data move around. There was a talk earlier today at worker.sh on how it works and their ambitions [1].<p>Next Wednesday they&#x27;ll have a very technical deep dive into all the inner workings <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.meetup.com&#x2F;Security-Meetup-by-SBA-Research&#x2F;events&#x2F;278530114&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.meetup.com&#x2F;Security-Meetup-by-SBA-Research&#x2F;event...</a><p>And I believe the source is available if you care to audit it yourself!<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.serenity.re&#x2F;en&#x2F;notes" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.serenity.re&#x2F;en&#x2F;notes</a><p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;3p1uQ4Fzilk?t=6344" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;3p1uQ4Fzilk?t=6344</a>
gnicholas将近 4 年前
Does anyone know if Skiff uses canvas-based rendering? I heard that Google Docs is moving toward a canvas-based rendering system, which will prevent some Chrome extensions (including my own accessibility extension) from working on Docs.<p>It would be great to know if Skiff could be an alternative for folks who rely on extensions to make document creation&#x2F;editing more enjoyable and accessible.
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mark_l_watson将近 4 年前
I don’t really use ProtonMail calendar, but I like the email and VPN functionality. I run the ProtonBridge on my laptop just in case I need to search my email. I can’t search my ProtonMail on my phone ( except subject lines), and that is OK. I use Apple’s calendar.<p>Apple has hinted at privacy enhanced email with personal domain names. I am not sure what will happen there. I will stay a paying ProtonMail customer but I really hope iCloud+ gets more secure services.<p>I keep medical records and tax notes in encrypted Apple Pages documents. I think the encryption is good enough for me.
wishinghand将近 4 年前
This site has served me well for finding alternatives to companies that sell your data: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;switching.software" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;switching.software</a>
prophesi将近 4 年前
Just wanted to give a quick shoutout to Mailfence[0]. Their support team helped me set up DMARC&#x2F;SPF&#x2F;DKIM. Their keystore makes it easy for non-techies to use PGP, and the tech-savvy are free to use their own keys and their own mail client.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mailfence.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mailfence.com&#x2F;</a>
AzzieElbab将近 4 年前
what is wrong with using encrypted s3 and desktop apps?
twodayslate将近 4 年前
What alternative has a customizable priority inbox like Gmail? Priority inbox is essential to my workflow and is the main reason I won&#x27;t switch away from Gmail. I have my unread messages on top, drafts, then everything else.
CA0DA将近 4 年前
Protonmail still does not have message threading built into the mobile app. That seems like a minimum requirement in 2021, doesn&#x27;t it? I don&#x27;t know how that is still not in there.
eterps将近 4 年前
It&#x27;s weird that Skiff still represent documents in pages. I guess most tech workers make a hardcopy of a document once or twice a year (or even less?).
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meitham将近 4 年前
Being a customer of Fastmail I had briefly assumed incorrectly that fastcompany and fastmail are related and this post was a promotion of fastmail!
ampdepolymerase将近 4 年前
&gt; <i>CDRT used to be “outrageously slow” for something like a document editor, Milich says, but that’s not the case anymore.</i><p>What is their trick for this?
temp8964将近 4 年前
May I ask, what&#x27;s wrong with using the email service provided by your domain &#x2F; web hosting company? Many times they are free.
jehanrizla将近 4 年前
I use Mailfence. Offers encrypted email but also alternative to Google Docs, Google Calendar and Groups to share and collaborate.
yewenjie将近 4 年前
Is there some webextension and&#x2F;or email provider that supports quickly creating calendar events to CalDAV servers?
sys_64738将近 4 年前
I stick with iCloud myself.
imagine99将近 4 年前
I&#x27;ve said this before but I&#x27;ve been waiting for almost five years now to switch to Protonmail personally - and with several clients, SMEs and startups.<p>Why haven&#x27;t I done it?<p>Well, for one, to this day their pricing and feature structure is utterly unattractive, orders of magnitude more expensive than competitors (especially Gsuite&#x2F;Google Workspace and Microsoft 365) and thoroughly confusing.<p>Some examples:<p>- Want to put your whole family on the &quot;visionary plan&quot; (~$350&#x2F;year)? Tough luck, it&#x27;s limited to 6 users, so your wife&#x27;s parents are out.<p>- No multi-user support in tiers below &quot;Professional&quot;, i.e. a family of 7 (incl. e.g. grandma) pays at least $560 per year.<p>- Work as a consultant, juggling several projects or startups? Tough luck, 2 custom domains and 5 measly aliases included only, even on the professional plan (~$90&#x2F;user)! Also a mere 5 GB of storage. Google offered twice that 10 years ago and currently 3x - for free. Google&#x27;s paid accounts include up to 2 TB (!) at that price point. As for the custom domains, on my private Gsuite I currently run about 10 without problem plus and at least fifty aliases (I make new ones for many services I sign up for, my #1 spam-avoidance trick). Even if I wanted, I couldn&#x27;t switch without losing a ton of functionality, security and convenience. Getting most of this in Protonmail would probably cost me an eye-watering additional ~$360 - per user!<p>What on earth is their value proposition? Switzerland + encryption, okay, all well and good. Happy to pay <i>some</i> extra money for that. But not more than <i>10 times</i> the amount a user costs on Google Workspace.<p>They also have no discounts, let alone free accounts for EDU or NGOs which makes it hard <i>very</i> hard to convince any of these orgs to switch there seeing as they get a lot more value from Google Workspace or Microsoft 365, completely for free - and these companies know that people will be more likely to privately sign up for Gmail, Office etc. if they use it at work or at school all day.<p>Bottom-line, I&#x27;ve longed for a service like Protonmail for almost half a decade now but at least the people and companies I work with don&#x27;t want to pay close to what they&#x27;re asking and are not willing to be nickel-and-dimed for something trivial like aliases, a catch-all address or a reasonable amount of storage (2 TB would cost ~$21,500 per year on Protonmail, according to their published price list!!).<p>From statements of their management I suspect that they&#x27;re trying to manage (and limit) growth and thus have positioned their product in a way that makes it a premium&#x2F;high-end offer, certainly without the goal of getting &quot;everyone&quot; to switch to them. The price and feature&#x2F;addon policy makes it extremely difficult to convince anybody to switch for whom privacy and encryption is &quot;nice to have&quot; but not worth $$$.<p>I am a bit frustrated by this and have been for a long time.<p>Here&#x27;s to hoping that a competitor appears and offers a more attractive bundle. Or that they finally get together a growth plan or funding that allows them to reduce costs and scale to more customers quickly.
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cutthegrass2将近 4 年前
Are these alternatives even worth adopting if you&#x27;re using an Android phone?
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