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Minimum wage workers can't afford rent anywhere in America

59 点作者 kareemm将近 4 年前

13 条评论

PragmaticPulp将近 4 年前
Misleading title.<p>The study found that the <i>minimum</i> wage isn&#x27;t enough to afford the <i>average</i> fair market rent for a <i>two-bedroom</i> rental.<p>Trying to compare average rents to minimum wages doesn&#x27;t make sense, as anyone earning minimum wage wouldn&#x27;t be in the market for an average-price two-bedroom rental. It would have been more useful if they had studied something like bottom decile wages compared to bottom decile rents.
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DoreenMichele将近 4 年前
From the article: <i>A full-time minimum-wage worker can afford a one-bedroom rental in only 7% of all US counties — 218 counties out of more than 3,000 nationwide.</i><p>The article really means a minimum wage worker cannot afford a 2-bedroom place. The larger problem is that in 93 percent of the US, they cannot even afford a 1-bedroom place.<p>It can be hard to find something smaller than a 2-bedroom place. We have torn down a million SROs and largely zoned out of existence the ability to create new Missing Middle Housing.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Single_room_occupancy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Single_room_occupancy</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;missingmiddlehousing.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;missingmiddlehousing.com&#x2F;</a><p>The real problem here is a general lack of housing stock of a certain kind: Smaller homes in walkable neighborhoods that remain affordable and haven&#x27;t become crazy expensive due to being part of an older vibrant area in very high demand.
aerosmile将近 4 年前
Everyone&#x27;s first inclination is to raise the minimum wage (which I am not against). But let&#x27;s not dismiss the fact that we could also work on lowering the cost of rents.<p>I used to think that rents are simply a function of supply and demand, but recently I realized that there&#x27;s also a floor for rental prices regardless of the demand. That floor is a function of the cost of buying a house, property tax, and the opportunity cost (eg: stock market will give me an ROI of X, so real estate has to be within that range or I&#x27;ll just move my assets accordingly).<p>I am only familiar with the SF market so the rest of the country might be totally different, but having looked into buying a house there I can totally understand why the floor for rental prices is as high as it is. The property tax is 1.2%, and good luck with buying something under a million dollars where you can expect to attract people with steady income. Last but not least, if we&#x27;re really going to compare this investment with the stock market, then I shouldn&#x27;t be expected to worry about water leaks and clogged toilets, so we should also include the cost of a property manager. In short, no thank you.<p>Raising the minimum wage would lead to higher prices, lower sales volume and lower sales tax. Is it possible to take that same budget and instead make more land available for development, lower the property tax, and make other moves to make home ownership more attractive? That should also lower the cost of rents.
dawnerd将近 4 年前
Wow there’s a lot of out of touch people here. Just because someone makes a dollar over minimum doesn’t mean they suddenly can afford housing. Minimum wage is ridiculously low and should at minimum be enough for someone to work full time rent a reasonable distance from their place of employment and shop where they live.<p>It’s almost like the middle class feels threatened like they’re being devalued or something.
deregulateMed将近 4 年前
I think less than 1% of people make minimum wage.<p>I wonder who takes minimum wage jobs, even in 2016. There were plenty of 10$&#x2F;hr jobs. You&#x27;d almost have to look for them.
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tristor将近 4 年前
I think one thing that would help in this discussion is a realization of how few people actually earn minimum wage. The federal minimum wage is below the wage floor in every major city in the US. Here in San Antonio, Texas, largely considered to be a poorer &#x2F; lower wage city, typical non-skilled labor is paid between $12-$14&#x2F;hr starting.<p>While Texas and San Antonio don&#x27;t have higher legal minimum wages than the federal minimum, effectively nobody is earning the federal minimum because nobody will work for the federal minimum. Even gas station clerks and grocery store shelf stockers in San Antonio make at least $12&#x2F;hr. The &quot;nice&quot; gas stations pay $14&#x2F;hr &#x2F;starting&#x2F; and up to $18&#x2F;hr. This is in one of the lowest cost of living and lowest median earning major cities in the US.<p>It&#x27;s simply not helpful to compare the bottom legal possible wage to average costs for a two-bedroom rental, when the typical bottom wage is much higher and most individuals earning these wages don&#x27;t rent a two-bedroom apartment by themselves, they have room-mates or are part of a family unit where the cost of rent is shared.
pepebuho将近 4 年前
Instead of bickering about wether the title is right or not, let&#x27;s discuss solutions. To me the solution is very easy. Let&#x27;s provide a supplementary help to any mininum wage worker to allow him&#x2F;her to rent a two bedroom apartment AND any business with a worker that needs this assistance shall be hit with an additional TAX on Gross Revenue (not profit, to keep silly games away) depending on the number of workers from that business requiring this kind of help. Businesses: Either pay a living wage to your workers or the Estate will garnish your revenues to pay it to them. But this silly game of gathering profits on the backs of the taxpayer shall end.
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underseacables将近 4 年前
Why not get rid of the minimum wage altogether?
em-bee将近 4 年前
duplicates:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27841355" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27841355</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27850918" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27850918</a>
RickJWagner将近 4 年前
This is why inflation hurts those on fixed or low incomes.<p>Which is why rising energy prices and increased taxation are bad for the same classes of people. Both contribute to raised prices, which puts people without equity investments at a disadvantage.<p>We need sensible economic policies. Without them, the wage &#x2F; class gaps will continue to widen.
thordenmark将近 4 年前
In 1991, as a starving college student paying my own way I had to do something drastic.<p>Get a roommate. Horrible, I know.
oh_sigh将近 4 年前
1st percentile earners can&#x27;t afford 50th percentile lodging? Why would that be news?
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egberts1将近 4 年前
No minimum-wage worker deserves a two-bedroom apartment. of course, this is just a historical trend that is maintained to this day.
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