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gego将近 4 年前

It is not that the semantic community was not warned - philosophers, linguists, archivists, librarians, historians, we talked and talked to our IT counterparts but could not get through - too much love for technology, not enough study of humans... So it is interesting to read as someone who is interested in archival sciences and history...the woes of the archive, the problems of wrongly categorized stuff, perhaps even due to political reasons (famously Diderot's encyclopedia in the 18th century linked from "eucharistie" to cannibal, showing how political linking can be) are as old as people trying to sort, use and abuse archives - would be great, if some dialogue might have created a middle ground between dumb full text vs semantic search... with some magic AI put over it ;)

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dang将近 4 年前

One tiny past thread:Metacrap: Putting the torch to seven straw-men of the meta-utopia (2001) - <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8511553" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8511553</a> - Oct 2014 (3 comments)

stareatgoats将近 4 年前

> "Do we throw out metadata, then? Of course not. Metadata can be quite useful (...) often a good means of making rough assumptions about the information that floats through the Internet"Could it be that over-confidence in metadata was common around this time (turn of the millennium), then everyone realized the limitations of meta-data as illustrated in the article, subsequently dropping meta-data approaches altogether, forgetting that it is also useful.So now we have a situation where the pendulum is now at the other extreme, where machine-generated classification barely intersects with human-generated meta-data at all.The sweet spot seems to lie somewhere in the middle, as Aristotle used to say.

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HKH2将近 4 年前

2.5 - There's no need for a hierarchy. You can have optional matches: if a match doesn't have a tag, include it anyway, yet if it does have a tag and the value is not what you want, exclude it. The bigger problem nowadays is with people refusing to add '+' and '-' to their site's search function.2.3 - When a user is adding tags they should be able to see that something has low matches and get a warning. Autocomplete should also help a lot.2.1 You need to give more power to users to block people categorically and add reasons, and share their blocklists with their friends. Anyone on a blocklist can be ignored or they can have a big warning placed next to them about what's wrong with them according to your friend.That is what local communities already do. If Facebook will never include that functionality, then fine, but it is possible.Also, if you are a liar (unwittingly or not), you should be directed to other liars just like yourself.2.7 - You didn't even try. It's about as lazy as saying everything is political. You don't even have to use the word 'art'. You can say 'oil on canvas' etc. You don't have to say 'cartoon' when '2D animation' is also good (you can exclude 'non-fiction' etc.). I find it hard to believe that people are oblivious to loaded language.

Nursie将近 4 年前

> 2.1 People lieWas always my reaction when hearing about efforts like The Semantic Web."Yeah, we can get everyone to classify and tag their data with machine-readable metadata and then use that to build all sorts of amazing castles in the sky!""But what about when someone misuses this metadata to, for instance, get listed in categories they don't belong to, lie about content to reach more viewers, etc etc?"Let the handwaving commence...(Yes, various interesting things have fallen out of the research, but the overall drive always seemed naive)

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smitty1e将近 4 年前

Bitrot is a scourge.If our metadata are to hold greater than archaeological value, they need to come with a maintenance plan.

QuadrupleA将近 4 年前

I fear Tim Berners-Lee's promising Solid project is already DOA because of the team's shoehorning this type of semantic web stuff into it - articles like this won't sway the true believers.

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