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Bye-bye, Bitcoin: It's time to ban cryptocurrencies

112 点作者 turtlegrids将近 4 年前

26 条评论

nscalf将近 4 年前
This is some of the worst junk writing I&#x27;ve seen on the hill. Some pretty wrong things in here, like insinuating that the only value of crypto is to criminals, and all but saying that the reason there are hackings to things like critical infrastructure is because crypto exists, which is just silly. Then it flags bitcoin as an environmental hazard, though estimates seem to be ~50-70% of BTC energy use is from renewables. I would label that as a bad faith argument because there isn&#x27;t really a standardized basis of measuring things by energy consumption (what&#x27;s the energy consumption to mine for gold? Create plastics? Etc.). All of this coupled with support for a government cryptocurrency? By a person who says they don&#x27;t understand crypto or its value prop in the first sentence. That probably means they should go learn more before having an opinion...<p>For people not in this world, cryptocurrency does NOT mean digital money. It needs to be rebranding. It&#x27;s a wave of projects building (mostly) decentralized tools or things secured by a blockchain secured through some protocol, such as finance exchanges, art minting and exchanging for digital scarcity, video games, real world supply chain tracking, music creation + tracking (hard to determine who is in every song and what sampling they used to pay artists), general contract writing with built in logic to be able to have trust in an interaction without having to involve a third party. There are many more examples, but it&#x27;s more apt to call it Web 3.0 than cryptocurrency at this point.
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simonw将近 4 年前
What&#x27;s interesting about this article isn&#x27;t so much the contents as the biography of the author: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.atlanticcouncil.org&#x2F;expert&#x2F;robert-a-manning&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.atlanticcouncil.org&#x2F;expert&#x2F;robert-a-manning&#x2F;</a> - Atlantic Council, ODNI, US National Intelligence Council, US Secretary of State&#x27;s staff, Council on Foreign Relations and more.<p>I&#x27;m not sure how much attention the idea of banning cryptocurrency has had from these kind of circles before.
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surfingdino将近 4 年前
&quot;I’ve never quite understood why cryptocurrencies are worth anything.&quot; The first sentence is the summary of the rest of the article.
Lukeas14将近 4 年前
&gt; But dollars, euros and yen are backed by nations’ respective treasuries. If someone invents a cryptocurrency, any value is based solely on convincing others it has value.<p>They lost me here. Most countries indeed have currency that is backed by their nation&#x27;s respective treasuries. However, those treasuries are filled dollars, euros and yen. All fiat money no longer backed by gold or anything tangible and whose values are based solely convincing others they have value.
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tofuahdude将近 4 年前
Yawn. How many times do we have to read this article?
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abeppu将近 4 年前
If &quot;banning&quot; bitcoin really meant saying that exchanges can&#x27;t let you turn dollars into bitcoins and vice versa ... could that finally make bitcoin an actual currency, where to get it you exchanged a good or service for it? Would the disconnect from the rest of the financial system mean that it wouldn&#x27;t just be a vehicle for speculation?<p>I still think it&#x27;s a silly system, where an extravagant amount of work is done so no one has to trust any central party (but all the speculators had to trust the exchanges). But I wonder if &quot;banning&quot; it could be the thing that actually lets it fulfill a little more of its original promise.
exabrial将近 4 年前
&gt; Of course, the untraceable payments ....<p>Undermined his credibility right there. Not worth reading the rest.
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epaga将近 4 年前
Pretty bold to lead the article with “I‘ve never quite understood.“ I think the article would have been way better if the author would have taken the time to at least understand a bit why cryptocurrencies are worth a lot to a lot of people.
carlosdp将近 4 年前
The only way you are going to &quot;ban&quot; cryptocurrencies is if you shut down the internet, and even that doesn&#x27;t really go all the way, so good luck with that...
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westcort将近 4 年前
Too late. It is already integrated into the financial system.
am33将近 4 年前
Why write an article if you quite literally have zero understanding of the basic benefits of crypto?
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okareaman将近 4 年前
I&#x27;m curious if crypto enthusiasts believe crypto currencies won&#x27;t be as regulated as other currencies and if not, in what way will it be more free and open in a beneficial manner?
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fellellor将近 4 年前
What an idiot. As an ignorant fool myself I was hoping for a coherent argument that would confirm my own gut instinct against bitcoin, only to be served with this!
_def将近 4 年前
I&#x27;m not entirely sure what to think of cryptocurrencies but I&#x27;m pretty sure ransomware predates them and banning them wouldn&#x27;t eliminate ransomware.
noxer将近 4 年前
And another useless article of crypto (bitcoin) hate. It was getting boring the last 10 times already can HN move on? Thanks.
dannypovolotski将近 4 年前
He lost me at &quot;untraceable&quot;
casi18将近 4 年前
ah yes the war on money, because the war on drugs went so well.<p>moral panic has never helped anyone. appeals to authority and banning peoples jobs and hobbies wont get anyone on your side. prove your way is better, we&#x27;ll keep building ours too.
nprz将近 4 年前
Who knew a distributed&#x2F;decentralized database could be so threatening.
echelon将近 4 年前
The US government should replicate the success of crypto, then ban it entirely.<p><pre><code> &gt; How should governments respond? &gt; Wolf argues that central banks (e.g., the U.S. Federal &gt; Reserve) should create their own official digital &gt; currencies — central bank digital currencies (CBDC) &gt; and make cryptocurrencies illegal. </code></pre> This is a solution that works.<p>Cryptocurrencies are borne out of a desire to be rid of governments. They&#x27;re the ultimate libertarian dream of a stateless world.<p>Bitcoin and its ilk award the early adopters and pre-miners. They are not vehicles of economic empowerment. In fact, unsophisticated and poor investors can be ruined by moving their assets into crypto when subject to wild price swings, pump and dumps, and HFT&#x2F;finance operations.<p>Fiat is a system of levers that betters the health of the government that mints it. They can be used to defer recessions, hedge inflations, fund infrastructure and investments, and increase the wealth of the populace. Bitcoin cannot do this. The crypto system rewards the whales, hucksters, and scammers.<p>Money printing also correlates with the productivity of the population, otherwise it becomes unhealthy. Taxes reap a portion of the growth and reinvest them.<p>USD comes with assurances. FDIC and a wealth of other measures are in place to protect individuals. If it&#x27;s attacked, the government will respond.<p>If you lose your crypto wallet, you&#x27;re screwed. No government backs BTC, so if the crypto is defeated (as nation state actors may have already done), everyone&#x27;s investments crash to zero with no restitution. One crypto attack destroys the entire house of cards, and it <i>is</i> coming.<p>It&#x27;s also reassuring to know that the USD is backed by a democratically elected governance.<p>Crypto makes hacking and cybercrime easier. It isn&#x27;t untraceable like many USD transactions leveraging layering&#x2F;integration and similar techniques, but it certainly doesn&#x27;t require the same level of financial crime sophistication as moving money in fiat does. You don&#x27;t need vast networks of physical money laundering machinery and real people in the loop.<p>Crypto burns energy, wastes GPU resources, drives up prices, and puts our brightest minds to the task of solving stupid and meaningless problems.<p>Crypto does not benefit society and the US government needs to step in with an alternative to meet the demand. Once they&#x27;ve become the de facto standard, then they can ban crypto.
brodo将近 4 年前
For a more interesting critique check out this podcast titled “Bitcoin is right-wing technology” <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;overcast.fm&#x2F;+ZpQA7ciS0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;overcast.fm&#x2F;+ZpQA7ciS0</a>
myhf将近 4 年前
banning bitcoin is actually GOOD for bitcoin
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trident5000将近 4 年前
lol that ship has sailed.
leothecool将近 4 年前
Ban credit card reward air miles while we are at it, right?
iammisc将近 4 年前
I think bitcoin is dumb, but this makes me want to buy it just to say a big F U to the central banks.<p>Even stupid fake money should be legal. How authoritarian can we get?
underseacables将近 4 年前
I’m making an excellent side income with cryptocurrency. The Bitcoin boom and bubble allowed us to get a down payment for the house we live in. I don’t know where the money came from but cryptocurrency investment has been a boon for out fiancees.
kjksf将近 4 年前
&quot;First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win”<p>We&#x27;re at the &quot;they fight you&quot; stage.<p>Yesterday it was energy usage FUD. Today it&#x27;s cybercriminals FUD.<p>I&#x27;m buying because there&#x27;s only one stage left: &quot;you win&quot; and we&#x27;re not there yet.
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