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England's Upper Classes – A Dangerous Cult

81 点作者 daverol将近 4 年前

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marliechiller将近 4 年前
Im not really sure of the point this article is trying to make. It seems like a moan about the upper class from a by-gone era.<p>&quot;This country could do with a lot more Hannahs and far fewer Jacob Rees-Moggs.&quot;<p>The remaining Jacob Rees-Moggs of the UK stick out like sore thumbs and are almost caricatures. I also don&#x27;t imagine many people are oblivious to the fact that the &quot;aristocracy&quot; (what does that even mean in a UK context nowadays?) made their living off of exploitation. Just as todays elite do but in softer ways (see Bezos).
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madaxe_again将近 4 年前
One of the peculiar things about the British aristocracy is that the culture looks entirely different depending on which side of the class divide you look at it from. This article looks at it from the outside, and mistakes the chattering classes for the upper classes.<p>What the author describes (the genealogies, the oneupmanship, the keeping up with the Buckets, the airs and graces) is upper middle class behaviour, aspiring to be part of the aristocracy.<p>The truth of the matter is that none of them ever had a hope - the aristocracy is a closed circle, and you don&#x27;t even get in by marriage. Your children do, but you, no.<p>As a result of the incredibly close nature of the aristocratic circles in the UK, practically everybody knows everybody, and any outsider or imposter is usually very swiftly seen for what they are. That said, the close nature also fosters a relaxed social approach in general - you&#x27;ll never meet people who F and blind as much as the old families. Feet up on the table after the hunt, crack out the cigars, pass the facking port, I&#x27;m dying here. You&#x27;re constantly being judged - but not how you&#x27;d think. Nobody cares if you know your silver service (although it&#x27;s a shibboleth, to be sure), nobody cares if you&#x27;re well spoken or who you know, or where you schooled - all they typically care about is that you&#x27;re not an arsehole, and that you&#x27;re not going to try to nick the silverware or trade off their name.<p>Most of the time, in the UK, if you encounter an aristocrat, they&#x27;ll look like they just clambered out of a hedgerow (because they probably did), and will be pleasant, amiable, and engaged in what you have to say - because they have absolutely nothing to lose by engaging with you, and you are possibly going to be an entertaining story over supper later.<p>I&#x27;ve hung out with enough aristo friends&#x27; families and enough friends&#x27; upper middle class families to know which I prefer - the middle class families are suffocating affairs with dinner gongs and rules around shoes and no swearing in the house. The aristos are... relaxed.<p>So. If anything, the upper middle classes are the dangerous cult, trying to impersonate the faded glory of a generally toothless propertied and titled class, and generally getting it utterly wrong. The aspirational class is the one that now stands on heads.<p>Also, virtually literally every aristo I know votes Lib Dem or Green. They&#x27;ve hated the tories since Thatcher, and countryside issues are of prime importance to most of them.
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shatnersbassoon将近 4 年前
In Flaubert&#x27;s dictionary of received ideas, the entry for Aristocracy is simply &quot;Despise and envy it&quot;. Which is a much more succinct way of writing this article.
new299将近 4 年前
I&#x27;d be curious to hear peoples experience of class in the UK and how it&#x27;s effected their careers (particularly in tech).<p>To me it feels like class still has a significant effect. In particular that:<p>* Upper class connections can affect funding decisions.<p>* Presenting as middle class, affect hiring and career progression.
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stereolambda将近 4 年前
A related thing is the strain that seems to exist in British culture to seem and act deliberately crass and lower-class. I can compare it to an Eastern European country with extensive tradition of upper-class culture, but pretty much levelled by fortunate and very unfortunate historical happenings. I can very rarely see that here as an individual thing. People generally want to at least know how to speak the clean standard language and be polite.<p>For some time I&#x27;ve found it baffling that some people in Britain want to be consciously not like so, as to me it feels more disrespectful even to yourself than the others. (Okay, I&#x27;m making it more dramatic for the argument. I don&#x27;t really care <i>that</i> much.) But then I had the theory that mine is the republican, egalitarian sensibility where cultural aspiration doesn&#x27;t make you &quot;posh&quot; or feel like sucking up to your conquerors. Actually I&#x27;ve heard from people here that went to school with some of the remnants of old aristocracy and these seem to act pretty haughty and awful. The good thing is, we no longer have to really care. If I lived under British royalty, in a consciously class society where Norman aristocracy still holds 1&#x2F;3 of land, it would be different.<p>My advice would be to maybe retry the Commonwealth, preferably with a land reform.
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fegu将近 4 年前
Old money knew long ago the most effective way to market themselves: you need a good story.
brobeanz将近 4 年前
This was the biggest whine fest I’ve read all week. And I work in tech.
fergie将近 4 年前
The real tragedy of class is not that people try to switch classes, its that people dont want to. Working class people regard the privately educated elites as &quot;poncy wankers&quot; and dont want anything to do with them- they actually exclude themselves by &quot;staying in their lane&quot;. That is what needs to be fixed in the UK.
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sonthonax将近 4 年前
My great-grandmother was of the generation of Anglo-Irish aristocrats who delved uncomfortably into the world of fascism in the 1930s.<p>I dug out pictures of her in front of her country estate with a cadre of Irish Blueshirts (the Irish Blackshirts). She had nothing in common with the fascists; she just enjoyed the strange reverence that the Irish suddenly gave her after independence. She was also friends with the Guiness family, who had their fair share of fascists too. I dated Nancy Mitford’s great-granddaughter for a while, and she gave me her Nazi memorabilia as a sick joke as my father is Jewish.<p>A memory of my great-grandmother is her describing my father as “a bit Spanish”. It is only today that i realised that was an Arctic’s anti-Semitic slur (since the Spanish became all to happy to accuse one another of being crypto Jews, and incidentally made ‘Spanish’ synonymous with Jewish).
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Tepix将近 4 年前
I loved the writing style of this essay with its plethora of british terms i hadn&#x27;t come across before.
stana将近 4 年前
And according to Alain de Botton we have replaced this artistocratic snobbery with snobbery of profession - &quot;Meeting someone first question you likely to be asked - What do you do? - And you will become subject of interest, of be left alone by the peanuts&quot;
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mellosouls将近 4 年前
A curious and sad story but perhaps more of a cathartic effort enabling the release of feelings about a woman with issues arising from mental or personality disorders than a useful analysis of the class system. It&#x27;s ok to want to defend your mum.<p>I doubt there are many people in the UK from the historically exploited classes who are blind to the history, even those who retain respect for the titles and funny accents.
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thwoeru23434将近 4 年前
A lot of these &#x27;elites&#x27; were minted from &#x27;lowly born&#x27; savages who went onto India and basically looted temples and murdered the natives there. There were quite a few money-minded gold-digging brides even sailing all the way to India in order to find themselves a rich groom.<p>Robert Clive is a classic example, whose family is <i>still</i> auctioning off the loot he carried back home.<p>I&#x27;m not surprised that the article fails to mention this - it&#x27;s taught in the West that colonialism in India was benign, that we welcomed it, that we need &#x27;more colonialism&#x27;. Plenty of can-confirm-iam-indian folk will even attest to this (as has been the case in the 1000 y history of India&#x27;s colonization).<p>Little wonder hate and discrimination against Hindus is so normalized and even seen as the &#x27;righteous&#x27; thing to do.
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Nimitz14将近 4 年前
This is not a good article.
mothsonasloth将近 4 年前
FYI: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mediabiasfactcheck.com&#x2F;byline-times&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mediabiasfactcheck.com&#x2F;byline-times&#x2F;</a><p>This article I thought was going to be about sacrificial rituals, Bilderberg meetings, freemasonry or drinking blood, however it fails to substantiate anything more than some anecdotal stories, snobbery and mythisms about the upper class which are well known in Britain.<p>The upper classes in the UK are super-rich (either in land or in paper assets), but they will always pale in comparison to the multinational companies that have grown in the modern world, be it in Finance, Media etc. These companies and organisations have the direct lines and ties with the UK government, not ol&#x27; Reginald Whitcomb (made-up stereotypical name) who has 20,000 acres in Hereford and a cattle ranch in Australia.<p>Sure there is the nepotism&#x2F;cronyism angle but that occurs in all levels of society and is not inherently a rich&#x2F;poor characteristic.<p>The fact that the author&#x27;s mother was able to ingratiate herself with the upper classes deflates the article&#x27;s argument; that social classes are immutable in Britain and the institutional&#x2F;familial argument is weak too. There are many rags to riches, and vice versa stories in British society and the world as a whole.<p>Everyone puts on a &quot;good&quot; front when in the company of people who are socially&#x2F;financially&#x2F;intellectually better off to them. I do it myself in the tech scene.<p>tl;dr sure 100 years ago the upper classes had more clout, nowadays they are just a static part of British society with a small bit of power in relation to other global forces and companies.
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