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Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

137 点作者 timbray将近 4 年前

23 条评论

jmpman将近 4 年前
I just did a 2 day 2000 mile trip in my long range model 3. Total charging costs were around $100, which didn’t include two stops where the superchargers were free (network connectivity problems?). Required a total of 13 supercharging stops. Each stop was between 20min to 45min. I started off completely full, and charged overnight at a Tesla destination charger, (so, 14 stops?). Roughly half the cost of the article’s reported charging costs.<p>At two superchargers, I had to wait due to a crowd, which probably added a full hour to my trip. But, all the superchargers worked.<p>What’s not talked about are the bathroom facilities. You’d expect the superchargers to be located next to a fast food restaurant or gas station. Some place with extended hours and restrooms. Nope. Ended up peeing in bushes on the side of the road in the middle of the night. Tesla needs to fix that.<p>At one Supercharger in a hotel parking lot, the fellow chargers informed me that the hotel wasn’t friendly to supercharging restroom seekers. I tried crossing a busy freeway to get to a gas station on the other side, only to find they were open, but their restroom closed. Peed in a culvert.<p>Once I arrived at the Shamrock Texas supercharger past midnight, and the attached gas station (a Conaco used for inspiration in Pixar Cars - highly recommend checking it out) was closed. They probably have some camera footage of me peeing behind a bush. Quite opposite from the premium experience you’d get driving a BMW or Mercedes. Luckily I’m the prime demographic for mandatory late night public urination. However, my wife is not.
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carcostthrow将近 4 年前
&gt;And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [...] There’s no excuse not to.<p>Isn&#x27;t there?<p>Right now for me to own a Ford Mach E, a Tesla Model 3 or a RAV4 Prime is $3400 to $3700 per year for comprehensive insurance, $1400 a year for liability only. My SUV right now costs $1100 a year to insure comprehensive, but even a 2021 Acura NSX or Jaguar F-Pace is only $1400 for the same level of insurance that I have right now.<p>I only spend about $1200 a year on gasoline for the SUV and another $200 for regular maintenance. So right out the gate, assuming electricity is free and tire rotations are free, I&#x27;m already looking at least $900&#x2F;yr increase in operating expense.<p>And then there&#x27;s the upfront; the above is on top of the $10,000 to $20,000 more I&#x27;d have to spend to buy an EV vs a comparably sized and equipped ICE. And an additional $1500 to $2000 to have my garage accommodate charging a car, assuming main panel doesn&#x27;t need upgrading and only installing a 240V circuit.<p>Right now it&#x27;s a detached garage with a single 120v to it, so it&#x27;s retrenching and installation of new conduit and wire, installing a new sub panel in the garage, and rewiring everything. Not going to count the cost of a level 2 DC charger (Chevrolet and Kia are offering one as an incentive for purchase). Main uncertainty is whether or not the main panel would need to be upgraded.<p>If I didn&#x27;t have a garage, I&#x27;d also have to be super concerned about charging stations though. You leave an extension cord more then once out overnight, it <i>will</i> get stolen; the copper in it is worth a dollar or two. I can&#x27;t imagine how fast a $200 charging cable with $10 of scrap copper in it wouldn&#x27;t get swiped. It&#x27;s unfortunately common here, there&#x27;s quite a few sections of street where the street lights have been knock out for months now due to copper thieves ripping it out of the conduit. A nearby truck depot gets the copper wire cut from the trucks battery systems sitting there overnight every few months.<p>So... yeah. There&#x27;s my excuse. Money.
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alvah将近 4 年前
&quot;In this context, there’s another number there that I think is really interesting: The “km&#x2F;c-h”, how far you can get on an hour’s charge. For this particular car on this selection of chargers, it was over 200km (124 miles) per charge-hour. I think that’s enough? Maybe in the lower regions of enough, but there.&quot;<p>So at 110km&#x2F;h, less than 2 hours of driving for every hour spent charging? In what world is that close to &quot;enough&quot;? My next car will likely be an EV, but the evangelists hand-waving away limitations like this do nobody any favors.
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aakour将近 4 年前
I&#x27;m from Helsinki but live in Berlin, and drive between the two somewhat regularly. For this trip you essentially have two options - either via Denmark and Sweden, or Poland and the Baltics. You need to take a ferry to reach Finland regardless of which route you pick.<p>The experience and emissions differ pretty dramatically. Intuitively you might think the total emissions would be lower for the Baltic route because of the significantly shorter ferry trip, but this is more than negated by how dirty the grid is in Poland and Estonia. Polish electricity production is about 100x as polluting as Swedish electricity.<p>The Nordic route also wins in terms of infrastructure. There are plenty of Superchargers as well as non-Tesla charging stations, located at highway rest stops with good services. Making the 1000km+ drive in one day isn&#x27;t a big deal at all, and I find that plugging the car in for the time it takes to go to the restroom and grab some food is enough to continue the trip.
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emilecantin将近 4 年前
I did a similar roadtrip back in 2015 (!) in my ex-boss&#x27;s Tesla Model S: we traveled from Montréal to Atlanta for a weekend conference (JSConf, IIRC). We were driving continuously, switching drivers every time we hit a charger (we were 4 in the car). I think it took us about 24h to do the trip.<p>My main takeaway from the experience is that charging wasn&#x27;t actually &quot;painful&quot; at all. On the contrary, it was a welcome break every time. Most times we even exceeded the charging time the car was asking for, because we found something interesting to do (like eating dinner in a nice restaurant).<p>When I was on the marked earlier this year, I really wanted to get an EV, but there aren&#x27;t any that comfortably seat 6 (I have 4 kids). We ended up with a PHEV (Chrysler Pacifica), and I love it. Next car is going to be an EV, though.
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ortusdux将近 4 年前
<i>Also, charging by the minute seems wrong .... a Porsche Taycan is going to get a whole lot more range out of each minute than a five-year-old Nissan Leaf, so why should they pay less for the same amount of range? Hmmmm.</i><p><i>Bear in mind that at home with the Level 2 charger in the carport, charging feels close to free.</i><p>You are primarily paying rent to take up a charging spot vs. buying electricity. If it took some vehicles 45 minutes to pump 20 gallons of diesel, I guarantee stations would start charging per minute.
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jacquesm将近 4 年前
&gt; And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now<p>Except of course there aren&#x27;t nearly enough electric vehicles to make this a possibility, and if they did the grid capacity wouldn&#x27;t be there.
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thescriptkiddie将近 4 年前
An interesting anecdote, but I&#x27;ve never understood why anyone would willingly drive a car (electric or otherwise) such a long distance. The longest I&#x27;ve ever driven in a single trip was a bit over 750 km, and I think I slept for 16 hours straight after I arrived. The next time I took that same trip, I rode the train instead.
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wstrange将近 4 年前
If my math is correct, driving 1,725km in a Prius (assume 6L&#x2F;100KM - which is fairly conservative) would cost about $135 CDN in fuel - (approx. $1.30 per litre).<p>Not much more than $120 spent on charging. For a car that is much less expensive than the Jaguar.<p>Environmental considerations aside, this is a tough sell for most consumers.
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senkora将近 4 年前
There’s this documentary I really enjoyed watching called “Long Way Up” where Ewan McGregor (plus another actor I was not familiar with) rode from Tierra del Fuego to Los Angeles on electric motorcycles.<p>They talk a lot about the pros&#x2F;cons of going electric, and there are issues with like cold temperatures affecting battery performance at the start.<p>But I also found that I just really enjoyed the show even excluding that.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Long_Way_Up" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Long_Way_Up</a>
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Hamuko将近 4 年前
&gt;<i>And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [...] There’s no excuse not to.</i><p>I have my doubts that everyone can switch over to a (prices starting at) $70,000 electric car like the author can.
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nreilly将近 4 年前
I’ve done 1300km in two days in an EV comfortably along the east coast of Australia. ~4h driving, 1hr charge and lunch, ~4h driving, charge overnight at the hotel, ~4h driving, 1hr charge and lunch, ~4h driving and arrive at destination. Same in reverse. Cost was only charging at home to 100% before departing (under $10) at both ends. The supercharging was free. The autopilot makes a huge difference to driver fatigue, and keeps paying attention when you’re distracted by kids in the back (saving me from at least one accident). It really has made it more of a difficult choice between flying and driving across the major cities on the east coast of Australia. Going further west is possible, but will just take a bit more planning.
zejn将近 4 年前
One could generalize Tim Bray&#x27;s &quot;everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now.&quot; into &quot;everyone should stop burning stuff ASAP&quot;. Burning stuff is the largest source of CO2 emissions.<p>The two largest sources of direct personal CO2 emissions are transportation and heating and&#x2F;or cooling our homes.<p>For personal transportation, EVs are a great replacement for ICE. They allow you to stop burning fuel directly and instead buy electricity. They&#x27;re improving really fast, to a degree they&#x27;re getting usable even for 1000 mile trips. And they use less energy, about a third of an ICE.<p>For heating and cooling homes there&#x27;s heat pump, which uses electricity to pump the heat either into the house when in heating mode or pumping heat out of home when in cooling mode. No more dealing with soot, ash, and chimneys, and they&#x27;re so efficient that you get more heat if professionals burn gas in power plants to power your heat pump than you would get if you burned the gas directly.<p>Both these allow you to drastically reduce your direct CO2 footprint, also known as scope 1 emissions.<p>A lot of electricity is produced by burning stuff, that&#x27;s where it makes sense to get solar panels to try to produce most of your consumption or at least offset your use. Those are a modern miracle - getting 20% of sun&#x27;s energy into usable form is far better than photosynthesis, which gets few percent at most.<p>While Tim says &quot;everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles now&quot;, I acknowledge that it&#x27;s logistically impossible to replace all the vehicles overnight. But the car market in the USA sells about 4 million of new cars every year, and those really should be electric if at all possible. Buying an ICE is essentially buying a 10-year subscription to fossil fuels and CO2 emissions.
mikewarot将近 4 年前
I drove 2000 km in a single day, on a number of occasions, when I was younger. I don&#x27;t see how anyone could do it in less than 3 days with this many charge stops.<p>I had no idea the range of electric cars was so short. I expected that they&#x27;d do better at cruising speed on the highways, because the mpg in my car goes up as I get up to 70 MPH. Apparently a Tesla Model 3 is only good for 289 miles at that speed before giving up the ghost.<p>13*40 --&gt; 520 miles is what I&#x27;d expect to get out of our car.
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PaulDavisThe1st将近 4 年前
From the end of TFA:<p>&gt;And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [ ... ] There’s no excuse not to.<p>Admirable sentiments, but can anyone point definitively to the net gain&#x2F;loss in CO2 terms of actually ditching a fossil fuel based car and replacing it with a new EV? And how does that look if the FF car is something like a Honda Fit (good mileage, lower than typical emissions)?<p>I&#x27;d be willing to dump our Fit for some sort of EV, but I&#x27;m really not convinced that it&#x27;s helping climate change to do so.<p>Change my mind?
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hogFeast将近 4 年前
Wait until the author finds out how the batteries are made.<p>EDIT: just to be clear, I am not a &quot;climate change denier&quot;...although always interested to have lots of random people attempt to diagnose me. I worked in equity research, I have seen mountains of reports on this topic: lithium and cobalt production are terrible for the environment (ignoring issues with forced labour and human cost at mines, most people who mine this stuff won&#x27;t make it 50), this is why Tesla is acting (onshoring production, attempting to alter their supply chain, focusing on increasing battery life)...but if you buy one today, the effect on the environment is going to be pretty negligible...relative to people taking their PJ every two days, relative to coal-powered electricity, and even relative to ICE cars with good MPG. This has nothing to do with my views on climate change, and everything to do with how electric batteries are produced. And personally (I will take my turn diagnosis), my view is that people buy the car, and then go about judging other people...because people, particularly wealthy people in my experience, like judging other people...climate change is a way for wealthy people to feel less guilty about being wealthy when they drive past a homeless person in a tent. If you are concerned about climate change: there are still coal mines in the US, still coal mines in China, coal consumption isn&#x27;t going to peak until 2030...it is just madness to suggest what we really need is for poor people to go out and buy a $40k car because wealthy people said so.
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rad_gruchalski将近 4 年前
There are many people driving from London to Warsaw on a semi-regular basis. That a 1000+ mile drive. It can be done in 19 hours with a ferry crossing. I’ve done it myself a number of times. Relaxing drive takes 22 hours.<p>There is no reason this should take twice as long.
238475235243将近 4 年前
Genuinely baffled why anyone buys anything but a Tesla.<p>It&#x27;s cheaper, autopilot is pretty great, has a vastly better charging network, charges vastly quicker...<p>I guess it means you can write blog posts about bad experiences with an electric car...
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omega3将近 4 年前
Is there an website where I can see what a long distance trip plan for a electric vehicle would be, how long it would take including the charging times?
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isodude将近 4 年前
As an aside FIAT 500 all electric has charging stations in their infotainment system. No need for PlugShare.
tobyhinloopen将近 4 年前
These charge speeds are quite low. Are the chargers bad, or is the car just slow?<p>I feel like my XC40 P8 charges much faster
dgudkov将近 4 年前
TL;DR<p>Total trip time: 17h42m.<p>Driving time: 11h18m (64% of the total trip time).<p>Charging time: 6h24m (36% of the total trip time).
sparrish将近 4 年前
1000 Miles in two days is a pretty lazy pace of a drive.<p>I imagine that&#x27;s because it takes so long to recharge.<p>750 miles a day is my usual but 1000 a day is doable.
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