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Tests show all driver assist systems can be fooled

46 点作者 heshiebee将近 4 年前

10 条评论

lsh123将近 4 年前
So the summary is that humans can still outsmart current technology that monitors drivers attention. Not bad for humans.<p>But declaring Level 2 as garbage is stretching it. I am driving Level 2 (ACC plus lane assists plus speed sings recognition plus a few other things) for a few years now and I definitely get less tired on long drives. I recently drove coast to coast and it was more boring than tired because of the Level 2.
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darkerside将近 4 年前
What author fails to, or pretends not to, understand is that <i>the responsibility clearly lies with the driver</i>. If you &quot;cheat&quot; or ignore the system and there is any type of negative outcome, it is the driver&#x27;s fault. That&#x27;s all the incentive you need, and it&#x27;s the same incentive we have for people driving today.<p>Level 2 is not intended to be autopilot. It&#x27;s intended to be <i>safer</i> than driver unassisted.
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Causality1将近 4 年前
I mean obviously, that&#x27;s why people buy them. Everybody thinks they&#x27;re an incredibly safe driver and most of them privately think the safety aspect is the smallest reason they buy these systems. They get bought because people want to text and watch Netflix on the way to work.<p>So I believe there&#x27;s a tradeoff here. People drive to work all the time staring at their phones and only glancing up at the road every few seconds. They always have the option of turning the assist systems off and going back to distracted driving the old fashioned way. Obviously companies have no financial incentive to do this, but I posit that not making it impossible to use assist systems while completely distracted is actually a net benefit for road safety.<p>I&#x27;d rather have Honda Sense driving a car down the interstate by itself than some dude who&#x27;s only looking up when the road curves.
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fnord77将近 4 年前
original non blog spam article:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.caranddriver.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;a37260363&#x2F;driver-assist-systems-tested&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.caranddriver.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;a37260363&#x2F;driver-assist-sy...</a>
dosshell将近 4 年前
The truth is that some car manufacturers actually request it to be somewhat fool proof, but very few.<p>It costs hardware to run and cost to develop&#x2F;test, and car manufacturing is all about price.<p>But also:<p>Today the algorithm knows the 3D geometry of your head, and knows that it does not makes sense with a flat face. But it is more important to get it to work good on everyone than to catch foolers.<p>Disclaimer: i&#x27;m one of all the developers behind camera monitoring.
wtfrmyinitials将近 4 年前
No mention of comma.ai
NoblePublius将近 4 年前
So what? This is the most absurd line of inquiry. Did you know that seat belts don’t work if you don’t put them on? The question is not can something be circumvented. The question is if the system is safe. There is no evidence presented here to suggest driver assist systems are a net hazard.
IntemerateApe将近 4 年前
Isn&#x27;t this obvious?<p>&quot;tests show human drivers can be fooled too&quot;
ajross将近 4 年前
I still don&#x27;t understand the entire premise here. Who cares if a driver can deliberately defeat these things? That&#x27;s not the threat model!<p>A driver nag is an attentiveness reminder. You&#x27;re driving a car. You&#x27;re expected to be paying attention. No one else is responsible for safety. So the car wants (for both safety and liability reasons) to make sure you&#x27;re doing what you&#x27;re supposed to do. And it works. The car nags me and I tug the wheel to prove I&#x27;m there. Most of the time I&#x27;m paying attention anyway, but sometimes it&#x27;s because I got distracted. It works.<p>If a driver <i>deliberately</i> wants to behave unsafely, there&#x27;s no way to stop that, because there&#x27;s an infinite number of ways drivers can behave unsafely. Do we want a system to detect when drivers speed up on yellow? Tesla could absolutely implement that. Why aren&#x27;t we demanding it? Prevent drivers from approaching cars in adjacent lanes with higher than a 30mph speed delta? Could do that too. Prevent accelerating in the wrong direction on a road? Possible.<p>But no, all that stuff would be dumb, because it doesn&#x27;t correspond to an actual safety problem with the hardware. We recognize it&#x27;s driver behavior at fault, and we don&#x27;t want our cars regulating behavior.<p>Why is this different?<p>I submit it&#x27;s different because &quot;Actually Elon Musk is an Asshole and TSLA went to the moon&quot;. Which isn&#x27;t a very good premise for automobile safety designs.
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chrischen将近 4 年前
&quot;It&#x27;s currently the only system that allows hands-free driving for an extended period of time.&quot;<p>This is false. Comma.ai&#x2F;OpenPilot allows this. Video seems under-researched.