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How the Taliban Overran the Afghan Army, Built by the U.S. over 20 Years

56 点作者 johntfella将近 4 年前

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gibbsnich将近 4 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;2021.08.15-155605&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;afghanistan-army-collapse-taliban-11628958253" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;2021.08.15-155605&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;art...</a>
hindsightbias将近 4 年前
10&#x2F;2000 Presidential Campaign Debate:<p>“MR. BUSH -- Somalia. It started off as a humanitarian mission then changed into a nation-building mission and that&#x27;s where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don&#x27;t think our troops ought to be used for what&#x27;s called nation building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow a dictator when it&#x27;s in our best interests. But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. And same with Haiti. I wouldn&#x27;t have supported either.<p>…<p>MR. BUSH -- I don&#x27;t think so. I think what we need to do is convince people who live in the lands they live in to build the nations. Maybe I&#x27;m missing something here. I mean we&#x27;re going to have kind of a nation-building corps from America. Absolutely not. Our military is meant to fight and win war. That&#x27;s what it&#x27;s meant to do and when it gets overextended, morale drops. Well, listen, I strongly believe we need to have a military presence in the Korean peninsula not only to keep the peace in the peninsula but to keep regional stability. And I strongly believe we need to keep a presence in NATO. But I&#x27;m going to be judicious as to how to use the military. It needs to be in our vital interest. The mission needs to be clear and the exit strategy obvious.“
beloch将近 4 年前
&quot;The Afghan army fighting alongside American troops was molded to match the way the Americans operate. The U.S. military, the world’s most advanced, relies heavily on combining ground operations with air power, using aircraft to resupply outposts, strike targets, ferry the wounded, and collect reconnaissance and intelligence.<p>In the wake of President Biden’s withdrawal decision, the U.S. pulled its air support, intelligence and contractors servicing Afghanistan’s planes and helicopters. That meant the Afghan military simply couldn’t operate anymore.&quot;<p>Bottom line, the U.S. trained and armed the Afghan army as a colonial auxiliary force, able to do boots-on-the-ground scutwork under the guidance and support of the U.S. military, but totally unprepared to stand on its own. Biden unthinkingly yanked that support away and the Taliban were ready.<p>The picture would be far less tragic if the U.S. had done a competent job of building the Afghans up to the point where they could defend themselves, and then their forces turned traitor and joined the Taliban. Then we could say the Taliban are the rulers that Afghan&#x27;s <i>really</i> want, and quietly fortify the borders, apply sanctions, etc..<p>However, we (and I include allies of the U.S. such as the U.K. and Canada) really pulled the rug out from underneath Afghans. Yes, the government we propped up was corrupt and inept, but we sold Afghans on the lie that, if they wanted to, they could enjoy some semblance of a secular Western democracy. Everyone the least bit progressive who stuck their necks out to educate girls, etc. is now going to get beaten down, or worse. We lured them out for the Taliban and abandoned them. They&#x27;re now in a worse position than they would have been if the U.S. led coalition had simply bombed the bejeezus out of Afghanistan and then buggered off without spending two decades trying to build something.<p>There is a lesson here that the victims of any future &quot;nation building&quot; efforts will be forced to remember.
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Animats将近 4 年前
The article is clear. The US built an army on the US model, reliant on heavy logistic and air support from outside. Without that support, the army collapsed.
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coliveira将近 4 年前
Now it is very clear that the US military spent 20 years wasting tax payer money for nothing! No plan, no exit strategy, only a ruse to fritter money away and kill innocents. A complete tragedy.
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richardfey将近 4 年前
20 years of contractors-heavy operations, what did we expect? The only good thing is that the party is over for now.
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rexreed将近 4 年前
Government contractors and suppliers or all sorts were &#x2F; still are milking the golden cow that is Afghanistan &#x2F; Syria &#x2F; Iraq &#x2F; wherever as much as they can. Cynically they don&#x27;t care much for the mission, but rather what&#x27;s in it for them. Our military is in part a war-fighting (not nation-building) enterprise and at the same time a profit-making enterprise for those who know how to work the system.
twelve40将近 4 年前
The only possible explanation for this monumental stupidity I can think of is an attempt to surround Iran. Invading Iraq is potentially very profitable because of oil, but invading Afghanistan for $1tr for 20 years &quot;because 911 terrorists&quot; (the official excuse) seemed completely idiotic, if not an attempt to have a foot in the door near Iran.
mkl95将近 4 年前
The Afghanistan war lasted pretty much the same as the Vietnam war. Are there any other major similarities?
m00dy将近 4 年前
After 9&#x2F;11, all operations in Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq are complete disaster. I wonder why all of them failed.
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agilob将近 4 年前
This years 20th anniversary of 11th Setp. will be something else entirely
justicezyx将近 4 年前
US have failed to build up any decent military outside of US, since its founding moment.<p>I am actually not surprised that US had not learned much over the years. The learning at US now is almost stagnant, especially in the political arena.
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Gunax将近 4 年前
This is a tactical failure, not a moral one. One&#x27;s ability to win a war is entirely separate from the justification of that war. My concern is that the American public seem to conflate the two.<p>I don&#x27;t know what the correct response was to 9&#x2F;11, but something had to be done. The invasion of Afghanistan wasn&#x27;t a charitable maneuver--it was America defending itself (and supported by NATO and UN declarations).<p>Obviously any nation cannot just sit by and let thousands of their citizens get killed.
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beaner将近 4 年前
Note the NYT&#x27;s total absence of criticism of Biden for this disaster. Under a Trump leadership the headlines would primarily have been of the style, &quot;As Trump team struggles to do anything competent, Afghanistan crumbles.&quot; Whereas in this case, the headlines are kept mostly factual. &quot;President Ghani Flees as Insurgents Enter Capital.&quot; (NYT is not the article at hand but is relevant in its coverage of such stories for its cultural influence.)<p>Don&#x27;t mean to politicize it necessarily, but there&#x27;s been some discussion here recently about editorialization, thinking for one&#x27;s own when reading the news, and processing information from different perspectives to identify and compensate for biases.<p>This is a really good opportunity to observe how it works.
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