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985 点作者 mrestko将近 4 年前

102 条评论

leavenotracks将近 4 年前
So true, so sad.<p>These days, when even a few hurdles of crap present themselves, I often just leave. I don’t care what the site has to say or sell me.<p>Whenever I come across a site that just displays content immediately, it fills me with joy. Usually it’s some obscure personal or academic site, but for a moment I feel like I’ve found a gem in the desert and I browse happily for a while…then I promptly add to a list of non-crap-peddling sites. I long for a curated list of such sites.
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tick_tock_tick将近 4 年前
Honestly the site is way too performant to be realistic. All those buttons worked nearly instantly. I&#x27;m assuming you&#x27;re missing the awaited tracking networking calls.
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handrous将近 4 年前
This is less-bad than the real thing.<p>[EDIT] I think I figured out the main difference: this lets me imagine that more than 10% of the &quot;content&quot; isn&#x27;t also SEO garbage, and has actual value.<p>[EDIT AGAIN] What it really needs is a <i>giant</i> sticky header that hides when scrolling down but pops up the second you scroll up <i>at all</i>, obscuring all the stuff you were scrolling up to see.
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sdevonoes将近 4 年前
IMHO, I think everyone here is missing the big point: all these &quot;features&quot; are being pushed to the web because A&#x2F;B tests say so. The usual way things go is:<p>- option 1: don&#x27;t add feature X<p>- option 2: add feature X<p>- option 3: add feature X slightly modified<p>So, since option 1 is not an option at all (businesses want to grow; they don&#x27;t want &quot;stable software&quot;, they want to push features live every sprint), then lean product managers say &quot;let&#x27;s do an A&#x2F;B test and see what our customers like more: either option 1 or option 2!&quot;. The A&#x2F;B test is done and it appears that option 2 increases conversion slightly more than option 1. The team pushes the feature live and everyone call it a day.<p>The next sprint: the same story. So, the net result is that applications and websites get &quot;features&quot; on of top of each other without any order or purpose, but everyone is happy because metrics look good. I know it&#x27;s very counterintuitive, but that&#x27;s how things work these days: no one wants to hear your &quot;common sense&quot; opinion, they only want to listen to what the data says; and data says the more ads the more revenue, the more newsletter pop ups the more user emails store in the db, etc.<p>I know this because I have worked for such companies, and they are not precisely going bankrupt.
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herodotus将近 4 年前
Brilliant! Thank you for doing this! I wish I could send the link to almost every organization whose web sites I have had to endure. If you had offered me a rating pop-up, you would have been the first one I ever use (and gave 5 stars to).<p>Now do one for those horrible CRM messages &quot;Thank you for XXXX. You are very important to us at YYY. Please click here to give us important feedback on your experience.&quot;<p>After I bought a new VW from a local dealer, I was getting so many of these &quot;requests&quot; that I called the dealer and told them that I would never buy another car from them again if I got one more of these emails. They stopped.
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dredmorbius将近 4 年前
An admirable attempt.<p>But nowhere near sufficient.<p>- Not <i>NEARLY</i> enough link-litter (social links).<p>- No Taboola Chumbox. SAD! PATHETIC!!!<p>- Needs a CTA interruption about 15--30s after landing on the payload page.<p>- Needs a useless hero image.<p>- Needs more interstitial nags within the article itself. In bold and annoying context.<p>- Needs more social links after the byline.<p>Yes, today&#x27;s web is an utter and complete clusterfuck.
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nabakin将近 4 年前
Did some digging and found the guy who made this. Looks like he was a frontend engineer at Baidu! Would be neat to have some good Chinese software engineers on here.<p>If you guys want to check out his content, maybe give him a review for this website, here&#x27;s what I&#x27;ve found:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;juejin.cn&#x2F;user&#x2F;254742427077869" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;juejin.cn&#x2F;user&#x2F;254742427077869</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.producthunt.com&#x2F;@evan_lee5&#x2F;made" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.producthunt.com&#x2F;@evan_lee5&#x2F;made</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnblogs.com&#x2F;hh54188&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnblogs.com&#x2F;hh54188&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zhihu.com&#x2F;people&#x2F;li-yi-69" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zhihu.com&#x2F;people&#x2F;li-yi-69</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;v2ex.com&#x2F;member&#x2F;hh54188" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;v2ex.com&#x2F;member&#x2F;hh54188</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;qingbob.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;qingbob.com&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;spectrum.chat&#x2F;users&#x2F;hh54188?tab=info" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;spectrum.chat&#x2F;users&#x2F;hh54188?tab=info</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;codepen.io&#x2F;hh54188" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;codepen.io&#x2F;hh54188</a>
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evanfarrar将近 4 年前
They forgot to include the thing where you scroll down to fit as much of the article on one screen and then an ad loads in bumping the article off screen and then the ad disappears again if you scroll up.
AnIdiotOnTheNet将近 4 年前
I had to turn ublock off to keep going after the first click, which is in fact an accurate depiction of the web experience.
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eveningsteps将近 4 年前
Very bitter and to the point. I regularly wonder, do the people who want features like these installed — feedback form, &quot;support chat&quot; windows of various degrees of fakeness, subscription offer popups jumping in your face, and other absolutely baffling obstacles — really use their own web sites? Have they ever had to?
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cutler将近 4 年前
In the early 2000s there was a site usability movement centred around the work of Jakob Nielsen and <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;useit.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;useit.com</a>. Fortune 500s were paying him huge sums to have extraneous crap removed from their home pages and just for a while sanity and minimalism ruled. Then Web 2.0 arrived.
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allenu将近 4 年前
Since we&#x27;re all commenting on what&#x27;s missing, here&#x27;s another missing thing: you scroll down to the end of the article and a totally unrelated article begins underneath it.
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coffeecat将近 4 年前
Where&#x27;s the auto-playing video that you can&#x27;t get rid of, and which jumps into the sidebar and moves down along with you when you try to scroll past it?
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chestervonwinch将近 4 年前
Needs to prefix the tab&#x27;s title with a blinking &quot;(1)&quot; or &quot;*&quot; when the chat pops up. And have that paired with a loud chat notification sound. Edit: also should mention that this is both sad and awesome.
tommica将近 4 年前
In a completely different direction - I&#x27;ve been getting a bit into cooking lately, and found a website called <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;based.cooking" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;based.cooking</a> and aside of the silly name, the content is great - just recipes and nothing else! Wish there was a search engine that was able to give sites like that as result, and not the current SEO junk that is being made, although they have good recipes hidden in their walls of text
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n4bz0r将近 4 年前
These non-clickable &quot;ads&quot; have some weird therapeutic effect on me. I tap on them, nothing happens, and I feel relief. Even share buttons don&#x27;t work. This site genuinely makes me happy! Things you never knew you needed.
shwoopdiwoop将近 4 年前
Missed the step where the search result takes you to the google hosted AMP version of the page and it takes forever to figure out how to escape that hell.
gfodor将近 4 年前
The very last thing that I saw on this site got me to laugh out loud. I&#x27;ll leave it at that to not ruin it. Genius.
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kinnth将近 4 年前
DuckDuckGo should add an ad &#x2F; popup score to every article so that in the search results you could preview just how much crap you&#x27;re expecting to see if you click. If there are no ads it could be a gold result or something :)
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sudcha将近 4 年前
They missed the auto playing videos that follow the page as you scroll with sounds on and need to be manually stopped, and download 50 mb without my permission.<p>I agree with the idea. Miss a regular non intrusive web experience too much. The only place I usually find it is here on HN.
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danuker将近 4 年前
This pushes my buttons indeed.<p>But I also ran across some sites messing with the history, so they take you to a different site when you click &quot;back&quot;.<p>I am especially worried about pushState and replaceState.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.mozilla.org&#x2F;en-US&#x2F;docs&#x2F;Web&#x2F;API&#x2F;History_API#browser_compatibility" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.mozilla.org&#x2F;en-US&#x2F;docs&#x2F;Web&#x2F;API&#x2F;History_API...</a>
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cblconfederate将近 4 年前
Porn sites used to be the worst offenders with popups etc, ironically they are MUCH better than most newspapers now. No wonder people are watching more porn.
croes将近 4 年前
Web development and it&#x27;s tools are often a top topic on HN. Better tools, new languages, new frameworks, improved frameworks etc. So now someone tell me why we get such sites? Why should I care about developers if they don&#x27;t seem to care about me? And that&#x27;s only the design and UX not to mention the whole tracking and spying.
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zwieback将近 4 年前
In real life every other website for the next week would have ads for &quot;how-I-experience-web-today.com&quot;, Instagram and Facebook would have ads for other &quot;experiences&quot; as well
junon将近 4 年前
Little details - making it to the article and the click out gives you the browser &quot;Are you sure you want to leave?&quot; prompt.<p>Scary accurate. I hate the web.
aspectmin将近 4 年前
This... I absolutely Abhor what the web has become. Somehow, we need a new web (maybe out of the blockchain related work&#x2F;distributed internet endeavors?) The current state is sooo bad.
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NiceWayToDoIT将近 4 年前
Idea: What if we had a search engine that would search only web sites without ads...<p>It could have some type of &quot;readability &#x2F; usability &#x2F; user friendliness rating&quot; (score 0-10) ...
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westoncb将近 4 年前
I love the concept here (nice implementation too)<p>Removing the &#x27;content&#x27; and just showing the structure of these annoying web elements in isolation has an interesting effect:<p>our minds typically do the exact opposite (to a certain extent)—the showcased elements are repeated so often they get partly filtered from experience: our minds know there&#x27;s nothing interesting to them; a stored and practiced routine can be put on autoplay without conscious attention.<p>So the page serves to exactly invert that filter and highlight these elements that increasingly vanish[1] from our experience in response to repeated exposure.<p>[1] aside from a persistent low intensity feeling of annoyance&#x2F;frustration of course
Lammy将近 4 年前
Needs more 100%-viewport-height ad blocks between the content paragraphs.
frompdx将近 4 年前
I thought the popup with <i>Changes you made may not be saved.</i> when hitting the back button was a nice tough. All of this is 100% true. I rarely make it all the way through the soft content barriers sites that really do this. I agree with others, this works too well and isn&#x27;t nearly as bad as the real thing.
pupdogg将近 4 年前
How did we get here? Does any and everything ultimately get absorbed by the marketing department?
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jollybean将近 4 年前
Bravo thanks for this.<p>It&#x27;s a slippery slope tragedy of the commons that small actors can do nothing about really.<p>If Google were to start rating on this basis, or some 3rd party were able to (and then get enough noise and traction) it might help.<p>But it rather seems like there are a bunch of things that need to be done, not just one, including the controversial &#x27;cookie issue&#x27; which I don&#x27;t believe actually resolves the intended issue and creates a &#x27;mini headache&#x27;.
russellbeattie将近 4 年前
The fact is that any web site that gets a majority of their traffic via search traffic tends to be trash: These sites don&#x27;t care if they abuse their users as they know they&#x27;re not coming back, so they play the numbers game and load the pages with any possible revenue generating feature possible, regardless of how user hostile it might be. Sadly, this represents most of the web.<p>My personal pet peeves are recipe sites. They are the absolute worst!! The other day I went to look up the right proportions for lemonade - which has all of three ingredients, and a one word instruction: stir. You should try it yourself to really see how bad it is.<p>(For future reference, 1 part sugar and lemon juice to 4 parts water. You can get fancy and make a simple syrup first, but if you stir well enough, it doesn&#x27;t matter much in my opinion.)<p>You know who has enough influence to fix this issue? Google. When they said they were giving mobile websites a ranking boost, the web changed relatively over night to mobile-friendly pages. If Google announces they will penalize websites that over monetize? Poof, we&#x27;d all have a readable web again.
thatjoeoverthr将近 4 年前
Almost. It needs an ad that fills entirely the upper half of the screen, and stays with you while you scroll.
ivanovb将近 4 年前
The content should be just the title repeated a few times, but phrased differently.
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culebron21将近 4 年前
One part is missing: the IM window will make sound and show a respectable or attractive person in avatar.
hellweaver666将近 4 年前
It&#x27;s just missing the auto-playing video that turns into an sticky overlay that follows you down the page and obscures content as you try to read
dormento将近 4 年前
Could not proceed after the article, which is somehow actually really dang realistic.
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fogof将近 4 年前
I opened the link, saw the article, and was trying to figure out what point was trying to be made.<p>Then I opened it in incognito mode and it was making a point about the commoditization of the web.<p>Just use browser extensions, folks.
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arendtio将近 4 年前
The ads are too small, the design is too clean and the usability is better than on most sites and there are &#x27;No Thanks&#x27; buttons. Often these option are hidden behind some crap. And still the site shows very nicely what is wrong with the current state of the web -&gt; Kudos<p>The creators might want to mix in some <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;userinyerface.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;userinyerface.com</a> sauce to increase realism ;-)
lesinski将近 4 年前
This is what SEO has become. Free audience comes from Google as long as you make &quot;free,&quot; targeted content. The authors are trying to extract every ounce of value they can from making that free content. I&#x27;m hesitant to suggest Google interfere even more with publishers&#x27; autonomy but they&#x27;re the only ones who can incentivize them en masse to change how they collect information after the clickthrough.
jl6将近 4 年前
This is what happens when you use an application framework (HTML+CSS+JS) as a document format.<p>All those dynamic moving fancy interactive elements are great for actual applications. But as a solution for transmitting plain old information, web technology is now a raging garbage fire. I’ve stopped publishing my site in HTML at all.<p>The web needs to rediscover document formats.
Discovershizzle超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m relatively new here, but this post really caught my attention because I have faced the same problems most of you are mentioning.<p>After reading the comments in this post I can see some of you want curated content, others just want to explore random websites that work perfectly on all types of devices and popped into a search engine.<p>I&#x27;ve created a site that some of you may like (I&#x27;m sure it isn&#x27;t what all of you are looking for) but it might be what some of you are looking for? It by no means has all the bells and whistles of a search engine but it does offer cool lesser known websites that Google fails to show us.<p>If you visit <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;boredhoard.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;boredhoard.com&#x2F;</a> you can give it a go and please fell free to provide feedback so that maybe I can morph it into something you guys like&#x2F;want.<p>Will be very happy to listen
LegitGandalf将近 4 年前
Way to much written content implied, needs more twitter embeds
jrochkind1将近 4 年前
Inaccurate, loads far too fast.
dzonga将近 4 年前
props to whoever made that page. at times, I feel massive second hand guilt and shame by being associated through profession by those who make the crappy web experience we go through daily. one major benefit, is I seek books more now and relevant documentation or papers. I also like forums. and tend to try avoid sites with images. we as in industry should pushback on these practices so we can gain the trust of people utilizing stuff we build.
pizzapim将近 4 年前
Had to turn javascript on to read an article, very realistic.
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codeisawesome将近 4 年前
I think the &quot;Leave site????!&quot; Popup at the end is such a beautiful, excellent, delightful little touch! This is indeed how we experience the Web now :D
webmaven将近 4 年前
Advertising crams itself into every nook and cranny unless some external factor keeps it out. if you&#x27;re old enough, you remember the inserts (usually advertising cigarettes) in pulp paperbacks:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2007&#x2F;12&#x2F;02&#x2F;books&#x2F;review&#x2F;Collins-t.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2007&#x2F;12&#x2F;02&#x2F;books&#x2F;review&#x2F;Collins-t.ht...</a>
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jokethrowaway将近 4 年前
I had to load it in safari because chrome + ublock was blocking all the crap and just showing a greyed out version of the article.<p>Surprisingly fitting!
orloffm将近 4 年前
This lacks a pop-up that suggests to go to a local site (&quot;.de&quot;) instead of the global one (&quot;.com&quot;).
jason0597将近 4 年前
I <i>literally</i> laughed out loud when I heard my Thinkpad&#x27;s fan start spinning up! This is just too accurate :(
4e530344963049将近 4 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trimread.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trimread.org&#x2F;</a> helps with this.
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nevster将近 4 年前
I love how it also asks the &quot;Are you sure you want to leave?&quot; Everything about this experience is so true.
ezstar将近 4 年前
I&#x27;m sympathetic to the point being made, but amused that a script and cookie blocker snarled things up early on. And also impressed that they used the actual notification APIs and cookie banner standards with enough fidelity that my extensions hooked it.
bruce343434将近 4 年前
Nice touch that you need to disable the ad blocker to get the cookie privacy thing to show up.
Yeri将近 4 年前
&quot;I don&#x27;t care about cookies&quot; [1] on Firefox breaks the website (ie nothing happens).<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu&#x2F;</a>
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kazinator将近 4 年前
Regarding partially paywalled articles, I just use one of several tricks:<p>1. Firefox reader mode. Sometimes that is enough. Switch to reader mode, reload.<p>2. Stopping the incomplete page load. May require several attempts.<p>3. Some combination of 1 and 2.
nathias将近 4 年前
try watching TV, I propose something like a law of technology: &#x27;every technology that can be used to squeeze profit out of people is getting unusable in a very short amount of time&#x27;
rpunkfu将近 4 年前
Hats off to the author, when I&#x27;ve made it through the end and wanted to come back to Hacker News, that window close prompt was like the cherry on top. This is terribly accurate.
loloquwowndueo将近 4 年前
Lol a few years ago I did a full-page capture of a web article. 60% of space is just ads, with actual content sprinkled among the minefield. The rate has only worsened since then.
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o2l将近 4 年前
Couldn&#x27;t see anything annoying on Brave browser except the overlay on article page.<p>I have much more appreciation for Brave today and how it molds my daily browsing experience.
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secondcoming将近 4 年前
I don&#x27;t recall &#x27;Alow notifications&#x27; ever been as widespread as it is now. What happened? It&#x27;s on the vast majority of websites I visit.
peanut_worm将近 4 年前
You forgot the broken AMP page that only loads ads! Needs another step to click the top left, then click the page url, then wait for another page load.
civilized将近 4 年前
It&#x27;s like the front end industry has been working tirelessly for decades to serve the most beautiful fuck-you possible to each and every user.
raman162超过 3 年前
This is perfect! I laughed harder the further I progressed. Not even sure if I experienced everything. The attention to detail in this is superb!
tester756将近 4 年前
not realistic<p>lacks of giant pop-up on google search page about cookies, privacy or something that appears whenever you open google in new instance of porno mode
juliend2将近 4 年前
Please put some open graph data so it&#x27;s more enticing to click on when shared in social networks. (which I just did on linkedin)
nrvn将近 4 年前
Does it git?<p>Based on the comments here this website badly needs contributions from people who are eager to reflect the real UX of the modern web.
danybittel将近 4 年前
The website is not drunk enough. By drunk I mean the effect that elements, often several beams and images, scroll with a delay.
plinkplink超过 3 年前
You forgot the one where you get a popup for moving your mouse out of the window. For some reason I hate that one the most.
beprogrammed将近 4 年前
Love it, that basically sums it up.<p>I especially love that my browser asked if I really wanted to leave the page, got me with my own setup.
mod50ack将近 4 年前
This is why I only browse, both on desktop and mobile, with a bunch of extensions to make the nonsense (mostly) stop.
tweetle_beetle将近 4 年前
Tag Manager, Analytics, jQuery, Slick Slider and 20 network requests for a minimal parody site. Life imitating art?
eloisius将近 4 年前
They forgot to only show one paragraph of the article with an inexplicable “read more” that unveils the rest.
leandot将近 4 年前
Awesome, but not complete. It&#x27;s missing the GDPR popup and the &quot;better experience in app&quot; one.
chpmrc将近 4 年前
That is not <i>at all</i> how I experience the web today.<p>I also get annoyingly loud and flashy autoplaying videos...
max1cc将近 4 年前
The last part was a very nice touch
matheusmoreira将近 4 年前
uBlock Origin blocks all of this. Everyone should install it. Everyone.
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random_2超过 3 年前
Now I&#x27;m enjoying to disable the cookies and tracking options.
wibblewobble123将近 4 年前
You should also add blank text until the pointless web font loads.
gdsdfe将近 4 年前
It really is so freaking frustrating, browsing the web these days
rafaelturk将近 4 年前
Kudos for the last part!
PrimeDirective将近 4 年前
love it. one complaint, after I click on the &quot;Then it show me something&quot;, it should start popping all the stuff pretty much at once, not one after another
red_hare将近 4 年前
Fantastic.<p>The only thing it’s missing is a broken Reader View easter egg.
jstummbillig将近 4 年前
Did not even break the back button. What a joke joke.
yetanother-1将近 4 年前
Lovely and accurate
every将近 4 年前
And this is why I do much of my browsing in lynx...
dsego将近 4 年前
Had to turn off ublock origin to experience it.
shakezula将近 4 年前
_Every day we stray further from the light_
jackthebadcat将近 4 年前
Problem: over-engineering and monetization
lazyfanatic将近 4 年前
I miss stumbleupon too my friend.
a3w将近 4 年前
Required JS, didn&#x27;t load.
titzer将近 4 年前
They forgot search ads!
nicktorba超过 3 年前
my experience is exactly like this, but wayyyyy slower
mro_name将近 4 年前
another google honeypot. So ironic. haha.
random_2超过 3 年前
Full of alerts.
fareesh将近 4 年前
Many such cases
onehair将近 4 年前
at the paywall, I disable Javascript with uBlock Origin. Maybe you could play around that as well? By that I mean, make it possible to work without Javascript and be annoying
eric_khun将近 4 年前
is there a way to block those GDPR popups?
wisethrowaway将近 4 年前
It&#x27;s been terrible in the last year.<p>uBlock is not detecting Youtube ads,<p>Twitter is blocking anonymous navigation<p>And the examples of OP are all too accurate (Business Insider, Bloomberg, Forbes, Medium, virtually any platform).
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tus89将近 4 年前
You would be amazed how much improved things are with Javascript switched off (which Chrome allows you to easily do, with exceptions). Give it a try.
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