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EU agency advises against using search and browsing history for credit scores

192 点作者 imagine99超过 3 年前

18 条评论

yjftsjthsd-h超过 3 年前
So, on the assumption that this might start happening before it gets outlawed: Anyone know what queries my bot should be plugging into search engines to game this particular system? Shouldn't be too hard to have a machine ask Google 3000 times a day "what to do when you're super rich and deserve unlimited credit", right?
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dilippkumar超过 3 年前
I wonder if we are looking at the motivation for such a scheme backwards.<p>The 2008 Banking disaster happened because banks were happy to give out tons of loans to people who couldn&#x27;t pay them back. The response was to tighten various parameters that should have made it harder for banks to give out bad loans.<p>I wonder if this is a way to break out of those handcuffs and allow banks to go back to giving out <i>more</i> loans. &quot;Yeah this person has a terrible credit score, but look at their browsing history. They are looking at healthy diets, they are comparing prices and shopping cheap - all signs of a responsible adult. Why should we deny this upstanding member of the society access to credit and help them become homeowners?&quot;<p>Update: Thinking about it some more, looking at browsing history is a fantastic way to identify vulnerable members of the society who can be talked into signing themselves up for new loans. History shows that bankers have loved to do this.
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oblak超过 3 年前
I have no agency to back my claims but yeah, I would also like to advise against using deeply personal stuff to determine anyone&#x27;s effective social score.<p>Oh, you eat too much, or the wrong things. Oh, but smoke, drink. Oh, you&#x27;re exercising enough. Oh, you&#x27;re exercising too much. Oh, you&#x27;re just exercising the right amount.<p>I&#x27;ve not even touched the browsing history yet. Surely the end goal here is not simply exploiting big data they have on everyone. Outrageous as that may be, that would also mean the very final end of any pretence of privacy online. Everything finally tied to our legal real personas. Ugh...
crispyambulance超过 3 年前
Wait a second, the article suggests that a credit reporting agency could simply engage with google or other data brokers and obtain browsing history, NOT simply statistical target demographic roll-ups, but browsing data for actual specific named individuals.<p>Is that really possible?
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rob_c超过 3 年前
Slightly concerning how far the overton window has shifted in the last few years...
eurasiantiger超过 3 年前
The only way to realistically enforce this is through software developers refusing to implement, like that’s gonna happen, or by whistleblowers, but by then, it is already too late.
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mnd999超过 3 年前
This is pretty obviously a bad idea. Credit agencies already have all the relevant information, whether you take out loans or credit cards and whether you pay them on time.<p>Anything else is at best correlation, which as we know is not the same as causation.
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skeletal88超过 3 年前
Where I am from in Europe, in Estonia, we havr a negative credit score system and when you want to get a big loan then you have to give the bsnk your account transactions from the last 6 months so they can see what you are spending on. Casinos and such are frowned upon. But nobody uses Credit cards. There are talks about creating a positive credit registry also, but it is for the short term lenders who should be able to see that you took out a loan yesterday and then they should not give you one today
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WA超过 3 年前
I don&#x27;t get it: How do credit scoring companies in the EU even get access to browsing data or my search history?<p>Wasn&#x27;t the GDPR introduced to prevent data sharing like this in the first place if I don&#x27;t explicitly opt-in to this particular use case, like, as a separate toggle and not &quot;by using our service you agree to our privacy policy&quot;.<p>I&#x27;m confused.
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arp242超过 3 年前
From the linked IMF article:<p>&gt; Fintech resolves the dilemma by tapping various nonfinancial data: the type of browser and hardware used to access the internet, the history of online searches and purchases. Recent research documents that, once powered by artificial intelligence and machine learning, these alternative data sources are often superior than traditional credit assessment methods, and can advance financial inclusion, by, for example, enabling more credit to informal workers and households and firms in rural areas.<p>No research is linked, but assuming this kind of statistical data is roughly accurate in the first place for the sake of the argument, feeding that in some black box ML &quot;AI&quot; system is likely to produce a fair amount of inaccurate results, and since it&#x27;s all a magical system you can&#x27;t really argue with it; it&#x27;s just &quot;computer says no&quot;. Even employees high up the food chain (if you get that far) won&#x27;t be able to really help you either, because insight in these systems is hard and deal poorly with exceptional situations (and turns out there are a lot of those, it&#x27;s just that all of them are different).<p>Without going in to all the privacy aspects and other problems, it&#x27;s a good example of the dehumanisation of our society. At the end of the day you just can&#x27;t beat human judgement and &quot;common sense&quot;, but the possibility for this is increasingly taken from us. Sure, humans are not perfect but just because a few mistakes are made doesn&#x27;t mean taking away the entire human aspect is desirable.
MathMonkeyMan超过 3 年前
If I were to lend you money, would you pay me back in full, on time? To venture a guess, I&#x27;d like to know:<p>- the outcome of all of your past debts,<p>- your current sources of income,<p>- likely future sources of income,<p>- and a valuation of (some) of your assets that I might be able to go after if you don&#x27;t pay me.<p>To me, any other indicator used in some kind of correlation game is just laziness.<p>Let&#x27;s just identify people we don&#x27;t like and give them low credit scores, and give ourselves high credit scores. Right?<p>[edited for formatting]
kome超过 3 年前
This Italian startups does exactly this kind of Orwellian credit scoring - like checking what browser, email provider and how old your computer is: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fido.id&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fido.id&#x2F;</a>
hyperman1超过 3 年前
I always tought a credit score was an American ism, maybe including UK and Ireland for the EU. Does anyone know if there exists something like credit scores in Belgium, and how you find out what yours is?
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MisterBastahrd超过 3 年前
If you want to get the average suburban Republican to lose their shit, all you have to do is tell them that what they do in private will affect them in real life. Imagine trying to explain to your wife that, when she takes care of all the household bills expenses, that your credit score never budges above 700 because of the weird late-night things you do when nobody&#x27;s watching.
mensetmanusman超过 3 年前
Start a company that searches for you:<p>“How to pay my bills on time”<p>“How to save more money for retirement”
Goety超过 3 年前
&#x27;advises against&#x27;<p>well a bit too late for that
Tycho超过 3 年前
It just boggles the fucking mind. How are credit score companies even legal in the first place? Isn’t the point of GDPR (and all the other data protection laws) to stop companies collecting your personal info and then sharing it with other parties against your own interests? Can I call up Experian and demand they delete my file? Please someone just class-action sue these guys into oblivion.
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swiley超过 3 年前
Everyone is going to start using TOR and similar for everything.
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