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Our Commitment to Trust & Safety

416 点作者 mikecaron将近 14 年前

46 条评论

wheels将近 14 年前
So, this is a totally superficial comment, but here we go.<p>Brian, as part of all of this crisis stuff, I think it's time to have a new profile picture taken. One where you don't look so, how should I say... 20.<p>From rough calculation, I'm only a couple years older, but one thing that's stood out for me visually in all of this is that ... well, let's just say that it's one of those times where looking like the young silicon valley hotshot works against you.<p>Having a PR shot to pull out of the drawer that looks older, more serious and decidedly less hip would do well when people are worried.<p>(As for the actual content of the story: well done.)<p>Edit: Rational or otherwise, people read a lot from a face. Heck, it's obvious that Airbnb gets that since it's part of their trust system. Since trust is a big part of what makes Airbnb tick, I think it'd be worth the time to craft a profile shot that inspires such. This may even be an inflection point in Airbnb's history where it's transitioning from the couchsurfing-but-with-money branding to I'm-trusting-these-guys-to-keep-my-home-safe.<p>Edit 2: So as a bit of redux, I'm genuinely surprised that this was the most upvoted comment, since it's a minor issue relative to the good that's going down (and specifically, insurance is something that I was personally rooting for since that's what'd kept me from listing a room there prior to this whole shebang.). As for the photo, I think it's actually kind of an interestingly shot, but I don't think it's the one you want plastered all over the interwebs in a crisis scenario.
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edw519将近 14 年前
Bravo. This looks like an excellent next step. Not necessarily the ultimate scalar, but it's nice to see the vector pointing in the right direction.<p>As was one of the many outspoken people in one of the earlier threads, I hope I speak for a lot of my fellow hn'ers when I say that we call 'em as we see 'em, for better or worse. Not necessarily in judgement, but as part of a community living through monumental changes of all kinds. Believe it or not, Brian, many of us really are on your side.<p>Like many other "new age" business models, I'm afraid I still don't really understand this one and it's prospects for the future. But it's safe to say you've just taken one giant step on that bumpy road to sustainability.<p>Two of the most important things I expect from any business is to always tell the truth and to always do the right thing. It matters less how long you take to get there than the fact that you actually do.<p>Looking forward to seeing how this plays out. Often being down, then up again makes you stronger than if you never went through the tough times in the first place.
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JimmyL将近 14 年前
Two things immediately pop out from this:<p>"Earlier this week, I wrote a blog post trying to explain the situation, but it didn’t reflect my true feelings."<p>I'm not sure how I feel about this line (I assume it's referring to his TC post). On one hand, it's nice that he's now 'fessing up with a this-is-how-I-feel post. On the other, it's a pretty clear admission that he's had no problems in the past sending out PR spin as a blog post under his own name - so what should make the reader think this (or any future posts) are actually him, and not more spin? It seems like it's muddling the authenticity of the message a bit.<p>"In working with the San Francisco Police Department, we are happy to say a suspect is now in custody."<p>Haven't they been saying this for a while, and each time they do, it turns out that when someone tries to verify it with SFPD, the suspect isn't in custody (because they've been extradited to another community)?<p>As for the potential for fraud, that doesn't concern me that much. If they're doing a blanket insurance policy like this, then they're contracting it out to a legit insurance company - who will presumably have adjusters and claims people who will investigate every claim, the same as other forms of consumer insurance (like you get on your rental car).<p>I'm also interested in the legalities of this insurance - particularly in places where short-term rentals to strangers are illegal/contrary to bylaw/in violation of the occupant's lease. You'd think that insurance companies would have a problem selling a policy to cover the side-effects of a prohibited activity; that all Airbnb hosts would have to sign a line that certifies under penalty of perjury that they're legally allowed to host a place on Airbnb, which most can't.<p>If I was a landlord who had a tenant who put their place on Airbnb, and which then got trashed, I'd make the tenant fix it up (which they'd pay for, presumably, from the insurance), and probably try and sue the tenant for violating the terms of their lease. Could I then sue the insurance company as well, for helping my tenant break the conditions of their lease?
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lyudmil将近 14 年前
Giving credit where credit is due, I think Mr. Chesky and Airbnb have done a good job here. Corporations aren't intrinsically ethical (by law) but start-ups are small enough that they can (a) afford to act human and (b) be held accountable by their customers in meaningful ways. This is why people like Airbnb and why they (myself included) were disappointed in the way the situation was handled. I loved reading Mr. Chesky's response and although this clearly changes things for Airbnb as a business, they are now a company I care to see succeed.
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mikeklaas将近 14 年前
Will this submission have it's title changed to the original post ("Our Commitment to Trust &#38; Safety"), as was done for the original submission of EJ's blog post?<p>EDIT: Here's to consistency! Title has been (presumably mod-) edited.
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mashmac2将近 14 年前
Well, this certainly drags AirBnb into the eBay and PayPal sized fraud prevention industry... and I wonder how this will affect the vibe of the website. Certainly, AirBnB will survive this ordeal, and gain more name recognition from this event. Hopefully it doesn't do things like kill their profit margins or harm the ease of renting through AirBnb.
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biturd将近 14 年前
Anyone else think bringing on a 10 year veteran of eBay support is a bad idea. I don't know of a single case in which I heard eBay helped the end user in support.<p>eBay is probably on the top 5 of worst customer support experiences of any dot com.
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larrys将近 14 年前
"for loss or damage due to vandalism or theft caused by an Airbnb guest up to $50,000"<p>As others have mentioned no exact details have been listed anywhere.<p>For the vandalism they will most certainly require that obviously a police report be filed. Notice that "damage" is not covered though. Only vandalism.<p>Theft is trickier. The actual policy might say that they will pay if your homeowners/renters policy doesn't pay. Or there may be deductibles. And once again they will require a police report to document the theft.<p>Typically the problem with any insurance in this situation is proving that something is actually stolen as opposed to just missing.<p>I think that without seeing the actual coverage you can't really draw any conclusions.<p>By the way if you rent your apartment you should always have renters insurance anyway. It isn't that expensive and it would cover damage (less a deductible) even if you had a party and a friend damaged something - in other words a simple accident. Or if the tub overflowed by accident and damaged the carpeting.
ajays将近 14 年前
I've been critical of AirBnB in the past, but I liked the tone of Chesky's post. If only they had done this on June 29, instead a month later. But: it's never too late.<p>I hope this is the penultimate word in this saga (EJ's would be the last word; and I'm hoping, after this, her blog would be positive and upbeat).<p>The lesson to be learnt is: if you're in a consumer-facing business, and a black swan event happens, don't worry about valuations, etc. but worry about the customer who's affected. Fix the root cause, and the outcome will fix itself.
forgotAgain将近 14 年前
It will be obvious over the coming months whether they follow through with protecting their customers. More than a few people will be looking to get credit for exposing subsequent failures.<p>For myself, my expectations are not positive. While definitely an improvement over past communications I'm not buying the "mom" and "grandfather" routine. Specifically:<p><i>Earlier this week, I wrote a blog post trying to explain the situation, but it didn’t reflect my true feelings.</i> Then what was the driving influence for the post?<p><i>In the last few days we have had a crash course in crisis management.</i> The original incident occurred over a month ago. Apparently that wasn't a crisis. If not, then what was it?
mef将近 14 年前
Seems like a pretty good response to the situation, especially the host insurance, 24-hour customer service, and improved guest verification.<p>For Brian Chesky's sake I hope the SFPD actually have a suspect in custody this time.
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sid6376将近 14 年前
It's amazing that someone would admit that they f<i></i>*ed up with such humility. I hope people are as quick to appreciate AirBnB as they were to criticise them.
swombat将近 14 年前
I wonder if this will be killed like <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2834066" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2834066</a> ...
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gojomo将近 14 年前
Is it just me or do they say they'll be covering losses after August 15th, and before August 1, but not August 1 through 15?
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billclerico将近 14 年前
though he humbly suggests the opposite, this is a great example of how to deal with a crisis
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aculver将近 14 年前
"Like Airbnb, the world works on the idea that people are good, and we’re in this together."<p>Seriously? I usually just roll my eyes when I hear this sort of feel good, warm-fuzzy cheerleading. But seriously, wake up! The reason they're in this mess is because they lacked preparation for the reality that people have an incredible capacity for bad. This is a false premise on which to rent out your most private, personal space.
extension将近 14 年前
<i>and why you should always uphold your values and trust your instincts</i><p>Just out of curiosity, why didn't you?
OpenAmazing将近 14 年前
Its seems that, based on the positive media reaction to this, AirBnB has done everything right from the start:<p>Everyone is piling on them for screwing up the initial reaction to EJ, by not going far enough in offering to help her. But AirBnB didn't do much to help Troy (from the TechCrunch post) 2 months ago, and that story didn't blow up in to a PR disaster. They simply gave him a few free nights and he was happy.<p>So, it is impossible to tell if any given customer support issue is a potential "PR-nightmare". If AirBnB had over-reacted and offered Troy thousands of dollars (as was being suggested for EJ), they would have lost out - because Troy was happy with just a few free nights in AirBnB credit. How were they supposed to know that EJ (1) wouldn't be happy with what Troy received (2) Would make a scathing blog post and (3) That blog post would go viral. They couldn't have.<p>So, if you are a wagering person, it seems like the best course of action is to do exactly what AirBnB did: offering minimal support and grow until something really bad happens. Then come out swinging with a big apology and a big offer of support and restitution.<p>Since it seems like the media and public are willing to forgive AirBnB (judging by the reaction to today's announcement), this course seems like it may have been optimal compared to over-helping people like Troy.<p>Put another way: PR distasters are recoverable if you say you are sorry and ask forgiveness. Being too careful upfront and limiting your growth curve is not forgivable.
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dave1619将近 14 年前
Well done. The 50k guarantee and the 24 hour customer service are great features that needed to be there before, but at least they have them now. I wonder though if there's a bigger problem with how Airbnb views customers. EJ and the other guy shouldn't have faced such coldness from Airbnb. It just shows something is wrong. I hope that this "crisis" will help awake Airbnb to take customer service more seriously. Rather than hiring someone from Ebay, they should hire someone from Zappos to head their customer service. Actually, the whole leadership team from Airbnb should take a trip to Zappos and get some training.
kadjar将近 14 年前
I wonder how they're now going to prevent fraud.
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MichaelApproved将近 14 年前
No mention of a deductible in the 50k coverage. Is that an oversight or are they actually going to cover minor damages like a broken plate.
bugsy将近 14 年前
Awesome response and the right thing to do for everyone's sake.
rdl将近 14 年前
I'm impressed. This goes beyond what was reasonable to expect, and goes a long way toward resolving the issue.<p>It's interesting that 1-15 August is now the only uncovered period. They should also let everyone cancel all reservations during that window without penalty, if they'd like.
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joshfraser将近 14 年前
They look to ebay for guidance on customer support. Everything is beginning to make sense now!
rapcal将近 14 年前
I thought the post started well with the "we screwed up" tone. It sounded personal and felt sincere. However, along the way it shifted 180 degrees to a very cold business-centric approach.<p>Nonetheless, I think Airbnb is finally starting to have a clue on how to properly handle this crisis.<p>But what intrigued me the most in this whole thing was Michael Arrington's position on TechCrunch. He set this thing on fire, giving it a very aggressive kind of coverage. I wonder: will he now invest on Airbnb, as they're now supposedly going through another funding round? And if so, how much less will he have to pay for the same equity compared to 1 month ago? I'd like a little disclosure on that...
farrel将近 14 年前
"Terms will apply to the program and may vary (e.g. by country)."<p>What are the T&#38;C's I can't find them?
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aresant将近 14 年前
Extrapolating but I bet that language "$50,000 Airbnb Guarantee" allows them (airbnb) to buy "claims" insurance thus subverting the inherent issues around offering renters insurance to their market.<p>Brilliant move!
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cosgroveb将近 14 年前
A $50,000 guarantee seems a bit low. Condos in OK neighborhoods here in Chicago start at around 200K so theoretically a lot more than 50K in damage could be done.
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suprgeek将近 14 年前
This is an excellent start. Great way to come out and clearly state "We screwed-up earlier but are now doing the right thing".<p>Please consider adding 2 requirements: 1) Any renter should provide an actual photo 2) Valid Credit card that will have a hold of x dollars till the rental completes These might cut down on the Tweaker type incidents.
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waterlesscloud将近 14 年前
Glad they did this, though I expect it to be quite thorny in practice.<p>For example, what about cases where they can positively identify the renter who was responsible?<p>That's bound to be the vast majority of incidents.<p>Are they going to pay out in those cases?<p>Or leave it to the owner to pursue in court themselves?<p>This is a good solid step, but it's only one piece of a comprehensive policy.
bane将近 14 年前
Well done. I'm sure it's been a difficult learning process, but this was most definitely the kind of humble, unconditional apology, followed by a set of hard action items that I wish more businesses followed.<p>It tales big people to acknowledge a screw up, apologize for it, and work hard to make it right.
nhangen将近 14 年前
This certainly increases your professionalism in the eyes of the users, but I'm amazed by how quickly companies can implement things of this scale. I can't wait for the day when I can open my own 24 hour hotline :)<p>Good on ya mate.
azov将近 14 年前
So, AirBnb did the right thing (which they would have to implement sooner or later anyway) and got tons of free publicity in process. Not bad after all :) Congrats, Brian, and good luck to your venture!
citricsquid将近 14 年前
Now THAT is a good response. I wonder if it'll be abused though.
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guildchatter将近 14 年前
I think this is a great response to what happened.<p>I hope EJ's third blog post is more positive.<p>=]
joejohnson将近 14 年前
The author of the blog post has a creepy picture at the top of the post. I would change that to something less scary...
tzury将近 14 年前
Brian, I am deeply impressed, that is a brave and decent step which leaves all happy competitors far beyond (the competitors should try harder now, techcrunch is not going to help their marketing).<p>You are a great CEO and deserve to direct a Billion Dollar company, no doubt.<p>I just can't wait for my trip to the USA to use AirBNB accommodation (as an HN reader I have decided long ago that in the next trip to US I will not stay in hotels but book with AirBNB)
neebz将近 14 年前
For once TechCrunch was able to facilitate a good cause.<p>There's a hefty chance that AirBnB wouldn't had responded like this if Arrington hadn't been on their back. It's only once TC started to report them rigorously, they started to _understand_ how lame their previous communication been.<p>Now all Arrington has to bin CatherinaFake-like posts and we have our old TC back on track.
tunaslut将近 14 年前
would have been nice if you actually linked to EJs blog.<p>other than that sounds like you are doing the right thing.
OoTheNigerian将近 14 年前
Good response. Though a bit late and seems reactive, far better than never.<p>I guess we have all learned lessons from this.
caffeine5150将近 14 年前
They’ve certainly got on track with this (although the photo struck me too as hitting the wrong chord). But stepping back to look at the opportunity airbnb presents as a business, I’m not so sure there are security measures that could be satisfying to enough people to make this a massive company – assuming that their core business continues to involve people renting their primary residence. In engaging in any activity, people approach it with an unconscious calculus that is something like: the perceived benefits vs. the perceived financial, emotional, physical, etc. risks less any offsetting measures to mitigate these risks. Of course, for any activity, the math comes out differently for different people and often has less to do with actual risks than perceived risks and fears. Thus, fear of flying is fairly common despite low risk of harm – mainly because a bad result is so horrifying and likely lethal and the fact that not being in the drivers’ seat stokes our fear. Conversely, driving is probably by far the most dangerous thing we do and the risks are often underappreciated, but the benefits are not just huge – it’s almost a mandatory activity. Plus, being the driver can give us a (false) sense that we can avoid risk and while we can vividly picture going down in flames in a plane, we can easily not appreciate that driving into a wall at just 30mph is like jumping off a three story building in terms of impact against the dashboard. Because of the nationalization of the media and access to the internet, I now hear about child abductions that I would never have heard of in the ‘50’s. Thus, my perceived risk of that happening to my kids has grown (almost certainly way out of proportion to the actual risk) and so I don’t/won’t do things that my parents did to me such as booting me out into the neighborhood to play on my own at a young age. Applying this construct to Airbnb’s present model, I don’t think I see a billion dollar company here. I would think that the benefit is not huge when weighed against the negatives and risks. Sure, I might make a few hundred dollars or get a cheap place to stay, but as space provider I’m asking myself: will they steal something? Trash the place? Do I want a stranger using my toilet? Will they clean that toilet after they use it? Do I want to clean that toilet after they’ve used it because I don't trust that they did? Where exactly is my backup toothbrush in relation to them when they’re using my toilet? Did they copy my key to burglarize me later when they’re long forgotten me as a model airbnb tenant? As tenant, I’m wondering: how clean is this place? Are there hidden cameras watching me as I change, etc.? The list goes on and on and note that few of these have to do with monetary losses, and some of them are negatives that could exist with perfectly nice tenants/landlords. So with this model I see relatively low reward with a kind of vivid and extensive set of potential negatives ranging from toilet hygiene to what EJ experienced to worse. Plus, the perceived likelihood of some of the dramatically bad outcomes goes way up with each EJ story that comes out and amplifies potential users’ concerns even if the likelihood, like crashing on a commercial flight, is actually very low. Certainly, they’ve proven that there is a subset of people who like the risk/reward math for using airbnb, but I personally don’t see the huge growth potential and valuation that their capital raises would imply (again, assuming no major shifts in their business model).
suivix将近 14 年前
So they're turning into an insurance company? Will they have auditors?
avjinder将近 14 年前
Instead it should be: Our Commitment to Rape and Thievery.
fascinated将近 14 年前
moral hazard
davidjhall将近 14 年前
I'm guessing a call from certain interested investors put Brian on the right course as he mangled this over the past few weeks. A good lesson for us all going forward on what to put in place first.
natural219将近 14 年前
I bet the vandalizer feels pretty smug about himself right now.
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