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Apple announces first states to adopt driver’s licenses and IDs in Apple Wallet

177 点作者 css超过 3 年前

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nbzso超过 3 年前
The disturbing thing is that instead of breaking monopolistic behemoths who are feeding their empires from our data, governments are offloading more power to them. If some form of Digital ID is required it must be done on government level with proper public oversight and always available analogue procedures and backup.<p>But this is convenient, you say. What is this? Because you have a digital gizmo, knowing all about you, you cannot comprehend the magnitude of situation? You trust a private corporation more than actual laws and government procedures and you feel right and cool?<p>You have nothing to hide and everyone is having your data anyway? The Minority Report version of the future is building in front of you and you don&#x27;t care, because is convenient? Are you not informed? Are you technically uneducated? Or are you blind? CCP Social rating is working in China. In the next two years will work globally, under different &quot;democratic&quot; branding.<p>What is a logical response? The logical response is simple. It is time to balance convenience with privacy and some form of &quot;realistic&quot; view of the world. This corporate power will be abused. The question is how soon.
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duxup超过 3 年前
&gt;Users do not need to unlock, show, or hand over their device to present their ID.<p>That was my first concern.<p>I don&#x27;t want to hand an unlocked phone over to someone just to show ID. I&#x27;m not surprised, but still glad they covered this use case.
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css超过 3 年前
&gt; Arizona, Connecticut, Georgia, Iowa, Kentucky, Maryland, Oklahoma, and Utah are among the first states to bring state IDs and driver’s licenses in Wallet to their residents
dotBen超过 3 年前
This currently may only be for a TSA usecase but this area of using a phone to show ID starts to get very murky very quickly<p>My insurance company has an app that will display my proof of insurance - just hand your phone to the police officer at the stop.<p>The trouble is you are legally surrendering the possession of your unlocked phone to a police officer who can then search through it. I asked a lawyer friend about this and he said the law doesn&#x27;t allow you to granularly declare the terms under which you surrender your property (ie you can&#x27;t say &quot;don&#x27;t look at anything else officer, just keep that app window open&quot;).<p>It&#x27;s the same with finger prints as biometric - no one considered that you can plead the 5th when asked for a pin code but you can&#x27;t decline to have your fingerprints taken (including on your own phone sensor). I&#x27;m assuming face recognition is same.<p>Back to this Apple Wallet announcement, TSA scanning is a very restrictive usecase that feels like just a wedge otherwise it&#x27;s pretty low value.<p>But then why would anyone want to hand over their phone to the police (or another government agency) so they can take the phone with the ID on it back to their cruiser to write up your ticket. Of course they are going to have a quick search through your phone. That&#x27;s not paranoia, that&#x27;s good police work on their part.<p>Adding your government ID to Apple Wallet just seems like something that sounds technically cool but not properly thought out OR will only have very limited usecases.
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dave_aiello超过 3 年前
One use case for this is places like Pennsylvania where you typically need to produce a government-issued ID to purchase alcohol.<p>In 100%-proof-of-ID stores, cashiers often don&#x27;t look at the photo on the ID, they scan the bar code on the back of the Driver&#x27;s License that&#x27;s presented.<p>Why not use the Digital ID in an Apple Wallet in those situations?
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jrochkind1超过 3 年前
How long until those without a version on their phone have to wait in a different slower longer line at TSA?
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nbzso超过 3 年前
Digital ID for everyone, here we go. Globally, right? Not for me do. Until there is no other option than this, I will refuse it.<p>If I am lucky I have 30-40 something years ahead of me, more is a bonus territory.<p>So I intend to live as a human being, not some database record &quot;because of digitalization&quot;. If this means not to have smartphone or using computers in local networks, so be it.<p>Big F--- you for corporations and governments of the world for collaborating behind the scenes to move us to Minority Report reality. Apple the global leader in surveillance and government control. Who would guess? What is the new slogan Apple: You are living it wrong?
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aero-glide2超过 3 年前
Why is this being done by Apple and not the government itself? This should be device agnostic. Like Indian Govt&#x27;s DigiLocker. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;DigiLocker" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;DigiLocker</a>
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ajay-b超过 3 年前
I have considered it a possible convenience to have identification on my phone, but only as a backup to a hard copy.
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xfitm3超过 3 年前
No thanks.. I will keep my physical license.
petarb超过 3 年前
Why’s California not on the list, sigh…
mark_l_watson超过 3 年前
I live in Arizona and sometimes don&#x27;t carry my drivers license. I have a hires scan of it on my phone. This new setup is better, in my opinion.
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Apocryphon超过 3 年前
Seems like this would work best in places with free high-speed public wifi and device charging infrastructure. Do those places exist? Western Europe, East Asia? As with the rest of Apple Wallet&#x2F;Pay offerings, turning analog into digital has its trade-offs.
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randomcharhere超过 3 年前
So when your iphone gets hacked they have every thing they need in a nice neat package to make your life hell. The more valuable you make the phone the more likely bad actors are to go after it ... I can only see bad things from this.
SergeAx超过 3 年前
I am from outside of US and don&#x27;t grok all the nuance of US laws. What is the difference between having my driver license in Apple wallet and having a digital photo of it in my phone?
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sneak超过 3 年前
At this point it isn&#x27;t even a big deal. Apple has and can see all your nudes in your non-e2e iCloud Backup (including all of the ones sent to you by others, even via SMS), all of your chats, your address book, your phone number (your iPhone uploads it to Apple when you insert it, even if you don&#x27;t use iCloud), and device serial number (sent to iTunes when you open the App Store). They have your 24&#x2F;7 location if you have location services enabled.<p>Providing your name and address is basically no big deal at this point.<p>One ID, strongly linked to government identifiers, strongly linked to every activity you take on your most important computer, one you can&#x27;t install apps on without permission.<p>What could possibly go wrong?
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amelius超过 3 年前
So after Facebook and others, Apple now requires a real name too?
mrfusion超过 3 年前
Is it ok that this scares me? What if you’re accused of spreading misinformation and Apple pulls your license?
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CalChris超过 3 年前
I use Apple Pay quite a lot and I&#x27;m looking forward to vaccination record support in iOS 15. But I don&#x27;t think I have a use case for this. If I did, it would be my choice; I don&#x27;t particularly like <i>do not need to unlock, show, or hand over their device to present their ID.</i><p>Still I&#x27;m ok with Apple providing this feature, but I have to find a use case before I&#x27;d use it. And I don&#x27;t like its <i>opt-in once, broadcast thereafter</i> approach.
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spywaregorilla超过 3 年前
Interesting. If they can make the creation of these state IDs free and easily done remotely it may tip the balance towards making voter ID laws reasonable. If all major smartphone providers implemented this, smart phone ownership is already 80% and growing among the poor ($&lt;30k &#x2F; year)in the united states according to a google search.
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jostmey超过 3 年前
There is going to be a rough transition. Suppose I live in Oklahoma, which accepts driver&#x27;s licenses in Apply Wallet. So I leave my physical driver&#x27;s license at home. Later my friend in Texas calls, so I cross state lines and the police pull me over. Now I don&#x27;t have a license the police will accept?
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Animats超过 3 年前
If you violate the Apple terms of service, are you still allowed to drive?
1023bytes超过 3 年前
So this is only valid for TSA or for traffic stops as well?
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onionisafruit超过 3 年前
Even though a normal transaction won&#x27;t have you handing your phone over to TSA or the police, I am still hesitant of showing them that you have access to unlock the phone.
pdkl95超过 3 年前
What happens when the traditional &quot;analog&quot; alternative is no longer commonly used? Digital, network dependent &quot;upgrades&quot; to traditional protocols and infrastructure are obviously convenient, but what happens when the network fails? When carrying &quot;old style&quot; ID becomes inconvenient and &quot;unnecessary&quot;, do entire classes of services simply shut down if the network fails, suffers some sort of DOS attack (or overloaded OCSP server), or a terrorist (or unlucky backhoe) cuts an important fiber optic cable?<p>Are services like a &quot;digital wallet&quot; useful? How are they harmful? These questions are, of course, very important and need to be carefully investigated. However, whenever this type of technological convenience is introduced that might <i>de facto</i> replace existing protocols or infrastructure people currently rely upon, I rarely see any discussion of the ramifications of introducing technological <i>interdependence</i> and the resulting <i>transitive risk</i>.<p>Dan Geer, on this topic[1]:<p>&gt;&gt; The root source of risk is dependence, especially dependence on the expectation of stable system state. Dependence is not only individual but mutual, not only am I dependent or not but rather a continuous scale asking whether we are dependent or not; we are, and it is called interdependence. Interdependence is transitive, hence the risk that flows from interdependence is transitive, i.e., if you depend on the digital world and I depend on you, then I, too, am at risk from failures in the digital world. If individual dependencies were only static, they would be eventually evaluable, but we regularly and quickly expand our dependence on new things, and that added dependence matters because we each and severally add risk to our portfolio by way of dependence on things for which their very newness confounds risk estimation and thus risk management. [...] Remember, something becomes &quot;a critical infrastructure&quot; as soon as it is widely enough adopted; adoption is the gateway drug to criticality.<p>&gt;&gt; The most telling fork in the road of them all is whether we retain an ability to operate our world, or at least the parts we would call critical, by analog means. Analog means, and only analog means, do not share a common mode failure with the digital world at large. But to preserve analog means requires that they be used, not left to gather dust on some societal shelf in the hope than when they are needed they will work. This requires a base load, a body of use and users that keep the analog working. [...]<p>&gt;&gt; What we have here is an historic anomaly, an anomaly where the most readily available counter to an otherwise inexorable drift into a vortex of singleton technology risk and the preservation of a spectrum of non-trivial civil rights is one and the same counter: the guarantee, by force of law where necessary, that those who choose to not participate in the digital melange can nevertheless fully enjoy life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that to opt out of the digital vortex does not thereby require that they live in medieval conditions, and, by doing so, we reap a national security benefit in the bargain as those opting out are the base load for the analog alternative. [...]<p>&gt;&gt; And that is what I am here to tell you, that the future of humanity and cybersecurity are conjoined, so that as we prepare to make some decisions that are of the fork-in-the-road sort, we need to think it through because in making decisions about cybersecurity we are choosing amongst possible futures for humanity. Those decisions will be expensive to later reverse in either dollars or clock-ticks.<p>&gt;&gt; The onrushing world of full personalization means the rational decision for the individual or the small entity does not and will not aggregate into the rational decision for society at large. Perhaps that is the core effect from a rate of change up with which we cannot keep. [...]<p>&gt;&gt; You, we, are the masters of the universe now. What will we do with that power, which we have but a short while more?<p>[1] video: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=gbDEbfijxNY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=gbDEbfijxNY</a> text: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;geer.tinho.net&#x2F;geer.ncc.8x18.txt" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;geer.tinho.net&#x2F;geer.ncc.8x18.txt</a>
harikb超过 3 年前
Edit: not even show the device. That is great!
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josh_today超过 3 年前
We should start thinking about how to ensure that physical IDs will always be available<p>Or<p>Create a user controlled devices to store critical documentation like this (something like a crypto wallet but with an easier setup&#x2F;interface)
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i386超过 3 年前
Can someone edit this to be “first US states” please. US centrism is so rude.
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rowanG077超过 3 年前
I don&#x27;t know. I really don&#x27;t like big companies forcing themselves into this. There are already great open source solution ready to be used like IRMA[1], I would love for them to be used instead of Apple or Google becoming even more indispensable.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;privacybydesign&#x2F;irmago" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;privacybydesign&#x2F;irmago</a>