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Gab.com’s Response to Congress

177 点作者 waynenilsen超过 3 年前

19 条评论

fragileone超过 3 年前
&gt; American citizens may have freedom of speech, but they find themselves with vanishingly few public forums in which to exercise it fully.<p>Well put. As we&#x27;ve also seen from numerous leaks and incidents over the years, big business and government often works hand-in-hand, with revolving door policies and barely legal indirect bribes happening regularly.<p>That the government is now seeking to curtail the First Amendment by exerting pressure on these companies should be alarming to anyone.
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JumpCrisscross超过 3 年前
&gt; <i>All internal or external reviews, studies, reports, data, analyses, and related communications regarding your platform and (i) misinformation, disinformation and malinformation relating to the 2020 election; (ii) efforts to overturn, challenge, or otherwise interfere with the 2020 election or the certification of electoral college results; (iii) Domestic violent extremists, etc.; and (iv) foreign malign influence in the 2020 election etc.<p>Gab does not have (and has never had) such records in its care, custody or control.</i><p>Does this mean they keep zero user records or server logs?<p>It&#x27;s also ironic to claim &quot;sunlight is the best disinfectant, electric light the most efficient policeman&quot; only to protest in response to a lawful demand to preserve records. (Question 7.)
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pauldavis超过 3 年前
Wow, look at the previous post on that site, from the same guy:<p>&quot;They are rigging elections, they are botching troop withdrawals to flood western countries with refugees, the American border is being invaded by hundreds of thousands of people, they are buying up single family homes and pricing you out of the market, they are printing endless money and inflating your currency.&quot;
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tibbar超过 3 年前
&gt; Gab does not have (and has never had) such records in its care or control<p>In response to a request for all “related communications” to terrorism&#x2F;Jan. 6 etc. It strains belief that they haven’t even discussed these topics internally.
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tootie超过 3 年前
&quot;In each case, these people – good people, normal people without political power – were persecuted because their viewpoints were, in one way or another, perceived as a threat to the established order&quot;<p>That&#x27;s true, but the investigation is specifically about criminal actions, not persecution for beliefs.<p>And if I am reading the subpoena correctly, they&#x27;re basically looking for data on moderation activity and policies. That would seem be a purely corporate function and not related to actual user postings or any attempt at user identification. Gab claims they are very responsive to government requests related to criminal activity or foreign influence campaigns and that seems to be all they are investigating with this request. If they want to see what users are talking about, they can go in the front door like everyone else. And if they identify criminal activity, they will issue subpoenas or warrants. Correct me if I&#x27;m wrong.
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wobblyasp超过 3 年前
Feels like Gab just made itself a target of direct investigation. While you may not agree with how Congress acts, thumbing your nose at them directly is a great way to have the focus put solely on you.
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symlinkk超过 3 年前
This should be an interesting comment section, because HN was almost unanimously opposed to Gab and Parler around the time of the capitol riots, but recently I’ve seen more of a pro free speech angle here, especially as it relates to Facebook censoring links in private messages.
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h2odragon超过 3 年前
I tried gab, briefly; pissed folks there off by explaining (too plainly) that a &quot;foot job&quot; is different from a pedicure.<p><i>anyone</i> want to bet Gab&#x27;s internal operations haven&#x27;t been penetrated and monitored by several antagonistic parties since shortly after their inception? With all respect to their efforts, I looked at some of the code they posted, and didn&#x27;t see anything to indicate they&#x27;ll have much luck protecting their operations against the high grade, ideologically motivated opposition they&#x27;ve drawn.
rodikana超过 3 年前
10&#x2F;10 on IASIP title card usage, 1&#x2F;10 on platform moderation
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satronaut超过 3 年前
we need that web 3.0 now more than ever
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orange_puff超过 3 年前
I wonder if a social media site marketed as a &quot;free speech&quot; platform will become something center left and right people actually use rather than a haven for psychotic racists. I do not think Gab should be shut down or anything, but just take a look at the average post there.
adamrezich超过 3 年前
why is this flagged?
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javajosh超过 3 年前
As a practical matter, we cannot ignore the effect of technology on speech. To wit, what I see going on are the production of more and more powerful self-sustaining nuclear reactions of ignorance. The nuclear fission analogy is apt, because it requires a certain level of &quot;critical mass&quot; for any idea to catch on. Technology accelerates greatly the rate at which like-minded people can accumulate in the same, dense space; the neutrons are likes and comments; the explosion is rage and violence.<p>Technology has had this problem for a long time - the yellow newspapers of the 18th century arguably started it; the phenomena of toxic radio personalities began immediately after radio was invented. Goebbel&#x27;s movie propaganda was a critical part of Hitler&#x27;s rise to power.<p>The internet, and platforms like Twitter, Reddit, Gab, 4chan, take this to a whole new level. They are the ultra-centerfuges of online discourse, distilling and concentrating the extremes of human discourse into a dense, self-sustaining mass of negativity.<p>And yet we generally <i>don&#x27;t</i> get an equal and opposite mass of positivity. I believe the central reason is that humans are super biased to address human negativity, rightly judging it to be the greatest threat at small scale, but wrongly judging it at scale. For example, the 9&#x2F;11 attacks killed ~2,000 people. Car accidents in the US in 2001 killed ~30,000 people. But one event was rooted in negativity - hatred, rage - and the other was not. So one got trillions applied to it&#x27;s solution, and the other got nothing.<p>In a worldwide search of 7B people, I believe you can find a self-sustaining mass of hatred on every side of every topic.<p>We may need a modification to the free speech law in the presence of a sea-change in speech technology. Perhaps &quot;slow speech&quot; (offline, or online and decentralized) should remain perfectly free, but &quot;fast speech&quot; (online and centralized) should be censored - to defuse any given critical mass that threatens to explode into hatred and rage.<p>I think it would also be useful to enforce a convention that differentiates between speech and paid-for speech. In this way we can more accurately identify who is speaking as a form of expression, and who is speaking as a means to an economic end. The former should be protected from censorship, and the latter should not.
thrwaway9871超过 3 年前
Funny test: this post has 61 votes, 16 comments, is 21 minutes old and is on front page. It will be &quot;dead&quot; and off the front page in the next hour if usual hn moderation is applied. This usually happens to thread where majority of comments go against the grain.<p>Edit: thread is a bit over 1 hour old, 125 points, 119 comments and on page 4. All the other threads on page 4 are of comparable vote&#x2F;comment count but at least 20hrs old. If you scroll through page 4 you will not find a single thread as popular and as fresh as this one there. Maybe i&#x27;m biased but id like to think that my prediction was at least half correct.<p>Edit2: thread is ~1hr30min old, page 8 :)
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voodoologic超过 3 年前
Contrary to their claim, I believe they do keep records. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2021&#x2F;mar&#x2F;11&#x2F;gab-hack-neo-nazis-qanon-conspiracy-theories" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2021&#x2F;mar&#x2F;11&#x2F;gab-hack-neo-n...</a>
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encryptluks2超过 3 年前
Funny they say they protect free speech when I was promptly banned from there for posting anti-Trump comments.<p>encryptluks2<p>FSM is real
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bambax超过 3 年前
&gt; <i>we believe – as Justice Brandeis did – that “sunlight is the best disinfectant, electric light the most efficient policeman.”</i><p>Not true. There is no evidence that electric light helps deter crime (and of course sunlight is not a disinfectant either).<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcache.googleusercontent.com&#x2F;search?q=cache:33WBZAQmPFQJ:https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;wonk&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2017&#x2F;11&#x2F;02&#x2F;what-actually-happens-to-crime-when-the-lights-are-on-as-rick-perry-suggests&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcache.googleusercontent.com&#x2F;search?q=cache:33WBZA...</a>
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ixtli超过 3 年前
A private company probably shouldn’t be allowed to interpret the constitution to this degree. I wonder if someone will sue and SCOTUS will rule.
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code_duck超过 3 年前
I was on board until it got to their misunderstandings of the first amendment.<p>&gt;our refusal to change our First Amendment-based moderation policy<p>This seems like a typical misunderstanding of the First Amendment, which only restricts government action.<p>&gt;Gab has been the subject of a years-long smear campaign by activist groups and boycotted by virtually every technology company of consequence – Amazon, Apple, Coinbase, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, PayPal, Stripe, and Visa included – because of our refusal to change our First Amendment-based moderation policy.<p>This article is the most reasonably phrased &#x27;Big Tech is violating my 1st Amendment rights&#x27; but it is still not valid. It&#x27;s open to interpretation whether this is attributable to the cause they state.<p>&gt;The reality of social media content moderation practices today is that large swathes of commonly-held viewpoints and belief systems are systematically discriminated against on the Internet’s largest websites<p>This is a non-sequitur following discussion of the first amendment.<p>&gt;American citizens may have freedom of speech, but they find themselves with vanishingly few public forums in which to exercise it fully.<p>I wonder whether Gab agrees that businesses have a right to refuse service to anyone arbitrarily, such as not making a cake for a gay couple.<p>&gt;Our web properties are among only a handful on the Internet where Madison’s “general intercourse of sentiments” can presently flow unimpeded by corporate interests, opaquely funded NGOs, and activist groups<p>I am very skeptical of that claim.<p>Oh, and I am very open to anyone who would like to explain to me how this is incorrect.