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Stop Death Shaming

41 点作者 hncurious将近 4 年前

18 条评论

flaque将近 4 年前
It’s worth noting that, even if you think shaming encourages people to get vaccinated, these stories are still bad because they are almost never seen by the people who you’re trying to shame.<p>Unvaccinated people don’t like and share stories about unvaccinated people having a tube shoved down their throat and then dying alone in a hospital.<p>The more outrageous the irony, the less it actually appeals to someone who hasn’t gotten the vaccine yet.<p>Similarly, many of these stories focus heavily on the most crazy, most irrational reasons to not get the vaccine.<p>Most folks who don’t get the vaccine are coming from very understandable places.<p>- They may believe that they already got COVID and think that, because they already got it, then they’re “immune” (which is wrong, but reasonable to assume)<p>- They have heard people they consider smart and reputable, like Eric Weinstein, claim misleading or false statistics about deaths from the vaccine. (Again, wrong, but understandable)<p>- they may still think that the vaccine is “not FDA approved”, due to poor messaging from the FDA. (It is approved by the way, not just emergency authorization)<p>- they may not have time to go get a vaccine. Not everyone can take time off work<p>- they may be afraid of needles, or the side effects, and are unwilling to admit it. I was afraid of the side effects before getting my vaccine (though it turned out fine)<p>All of these are irrational reasons, since COVID is super contagious, absolutely awful to get, and puts many people, even those who survive, alone in the hospital with a tube shoved down their throat. But they’re reasonable fears; understandable fears.<p>And shaming people for entirely reasonable fears does not get more people vaccinated.<p>A lot of people seem to care more about their anger towards unvaccinated people, and their desire to shame them, than actually stopping the pandemic by taking strategies that would actually get them vaccinated.
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totetsu将近 4 年前
As soon as laugh at someone&#x27;s death, and make judgements on if they deserved it or not, we devalue Human life. That can&#x27;t be a net positive. No matter what we think of their behavior. .. once your laughing at death, where is the philosophical barrier between that and seeing disabled people as useless eaters?<p>The reason people are dieing is at least partially because of complete lack of leaders action to fund pandemic prevention efforts in the past years despite clear evidence and warnings of the need to do so.<p>If a kid drowns in a pool where there are no fencing laws, well sure dumb kid, but also..
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okdjnfweonfe将近 4 年前
finishing it with the anecdote of &quot;so I tried my new fangled plan of convincing a person, and then they still wern&#x27;t convinced&quot; somewhat nullifies the author&#x27;s entire point
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dundarious将近 4 年前
Ironic reversals are funny. e.g., Looney Tunes.<p>Comparisons with other kinds of deaths that have an ironic reversal component are often comparing far milder scenarios. For the vaccines scenario, to use a phrase from the Monster Factory video series, there are “no middle sliders”.<p>It’s a free option to not die. If your cultural&#x2F;political milieu or personal philosophy leads you to not take that free option, it’s at least a little bit funny. If you are a leader or evangelist within that milieu, I think it definitely crosses the line into acceptably openly funny.<p>Please note that this obviously doesn’t mean I condone every action by people who also think it’s funny. For private persons, a basic attempt to anonymize and unlink humorous comments from the person and their family seems like a reasonably conscientious thing to do, and makes it fine by me.
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SquishyPanda23将近 4 年前
Unvaccinated people are basically drunk drivers who won&#x27;t shut up about their right to drive drunk.<p>Mocking their deaths won&#x27;t convince them to become reasonable, but you can&#x27;t blame people for feeling schadenfreude.
devwastaken将近 4 年前
We also have to stop shaming information, and the people who want to discuss it.<p>In many places, especially on the net, You have to say &quot;the vaccine is completely safe all the time&quot;, not &quot;the vaccine is overwhelmingly safe and effective, some may be at risk of life threatening blood clots, and vaccination does not entirely prevent infection, nor does it guarantee significant protection from future mutations which are expected to continue&quot;.<p>You especially cannot talk about CDC data, you can&#x27;t compare death&#x2F;injury of other things, and you can&#x27;t talk about the 1920&#x27;s influenza outbreak that killed half a million people.<p>If you try to talk about those things, you&#x27;re shamed as a crazy anti-vaxxer whom is going to kill everyone. Even if you&#x27;ve been vaccinated and follow CDC guidelines.<p>That&#x27;s how new anti-vaxxers are being made. Otherwise reasonable people are being told they&#x27;re crazy anti-vaxxers for simply talking about facts, asking important questions, pointing out inconvenient data. The actual experts whom can talk about such things are being drowned out by the flood of reactionaries.
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gmuslera将近 4 年前
If they are dead you are not talking to them. You are talking with the people that did the same as them, and are still alive (and with a bit of luck, that didn&#x27;t got the disease yet).<p>And besides personal freedom, in a society you are free to do what affects only you, your freedom should stop where the rights of the rest of the people begins. Should you shame or condemn someone that choose to drive drunk and kills a couple of elderly people in the road? That is what they are doing.
whatgoodisaroad将近 4 年前
Does this writer genuinely think they are the first to think of <i>convincing</i> people to get vaccinated? And all we needed was a little facts and logic?
otterley将近 4 年前
Stop telling people to stop doing things. It&#x27;s very rude.<p>Explain to us why the behavior is bad, instead.
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JohnTHaller将近 4 年前
I don&#x27;t know anyone personally who has been able to convince an anti-vaxxer&#x2F;vaccine hesitant person to get vaccinated. My friend&#x27;s unvaccinated sibling died of Covid-19 a few days ago. Sibling wasn&#x27;t high risk or older. They had argued about it last month. Sibling was consuming conservative media and surrounded by similar folks.<p>The vaccine didn&#x27;t work on my Dad. He&#x27;s on immunosupressive meds so he doesn&#x27;t reject my kidney. There are hundreds of thousands of American organ recipients just like him. And cancer patients. And HIV+ folks. Etc. He got the newly approved 3rd dose within 24hrs of it being approved. We&#x27;re hoping he has some antibody response to it.<p>I understand the death shaming, at least when it comes to people who were actively spreading misinformation. As an example, the conservative radio host who dubbed himself &quot;Mr AntiVax&quot; who just died of Covid-19. The ones grifting off human suffering. It&#x27;s a place for your anger at the unvaccinated to go.
beervirus将近 4 年前
&gt; Mocking the unvaccinated dead does not save lives.<p>Sometimes it does. I personally know one person who finally got vaccinated exactly because of these stories—and because of the mockery.
siod将近 4 年前
People are angry. They see vaccine refusers as prolonging the pandemic and putting their loved ones&#x2F;everyone at risk for nothing.
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magwa101将近 4 年前
We get really upset about drunk driving. Smoking indoors and in particular around kids. We&#x27;re going to get similarly mad unvaccinated people taking others down with their Darwin Awards.
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yongjik将近 4 年前
IMHO, the most surprising (and disturbing) thing about people refusing the vaccine, catching COVID, and dying is that there are <i>so many</i> of them. Enough for the media to talk about a random new dead person every day. Enough to sustain a shitty subreddit. In a country where vaccination is free.<p>I agree that mocking them isn&#x27;t productive, but at this stage, it feels more like a coping mechanism. When the world around you stops making sense, what are you going to do, other than laugh?
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crazy_horse将近 4 年前
Reddit has a subreddit dedicated to this. I understand the justifications and the frustration, but so much of that is people being hateful. I&#x27;ve seen everything from race, hair style, weight, religion, etc mocked because the people deserve it. I think it&#x27;s the most toxic part of humanity.<p>I hope reddit closes hateful subs like this. Here is a similar article about that sub.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;melmagazine.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;story&#x2F;herman-cain-awards" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;melmagazine.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;story&#x2F;herman-cain-awards</a>
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jerkstate将近 4 年前
I don’t think the unvaccinated mind the shaming as much as the threats - to be denied health care, sent to camps, fired from their jobs, forbidden to buy food, forbidden freedom of movement, etc. those things matter a lot more than “shaming”
tomohawk将近 4 年前
It&#x27;s amazing how years of anti-vax nonsense went nowhere.<p>But, in a few months, all of this shaming and politicizing have done so much damage.<p>Public health rests on trust, not mocking, not shaming, not coercion.
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savanaly将近 4 年前
I&#x27;m always aghast when I go on social media or Reddit and see all the things people say about the unvaccinated dead. I can scarcely believe that the folks that post those things are nominally on the same side as me on most issues of substance. I get past it by telling myself that there are always tons of bots and shills in the pay of all manner of nation states and organizations trolling those exact places posting whatever will ferment polarization.
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