Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers

As a part-time libertarian, one of the frustrating parts of the pandemic has been discovering how many people need the nanny state to step to stop them punching themselves in the face.<p>Near the start of the pandemic, I thought the most intrusive state powers would barely be needed. Why would you ever need to make a vaccine mandatory? What rational person would refuse a lifesaving medicine offered to them for free?<p>Well, I&#x27;ve got my answer.

Gosh, disturbing comment section for disturbing times. When experimental medical treatments become mandatory for illnesses that have a 99%+ survival rate, and there is absolutely NO LONG TERM safety data, some red flags should be raised.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Jktvh6k0qys" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Jktvh6k0qys</a>

Regardless of where you stand with this policy, you gotta give it some Kudos:<p>It&#x27;s a very efficient way to cleanse your entire bureaucracy of doubters.<p>I can&#x27;t think of another example where a democratic republic, which by definition includes a spectrum of opinions, has its whole bureaucratic hierarchy re-aligned with the ruling party&#x27;s platform.<p>Maybe this is due to the fact, that this is inherently undemocratic?

Isn&#x27;t this an unnecessary medical procedure for people who have already recovered?

IMHO the effective thing to do is to focus all our efforts on vaccinating 100% of those that will end up in the ICU (the elderly and those with co-morbidities).<p>These kinds of vaccine mandates get some of those at the greatest risk vaccinated but also ends up being a giant distraction in the US and makes it harder for the rest of the world to get the vaccines that they need as well. I think the blanket mandate approach is used because it is a lot easier for the leaders at the top to make these proclamations then to organize an outreach approach that actually reaches those most vulnerable.

Trump derangement syndrome has been cleanly replaced with Covid derangement syndrome.

Executive Order:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.whitehouse.gov&#x2F;briefing-room&#x2F;presidential-actions&#x2F;2021&#x2F;09&#x2F;09&#x2F;executive-order-on-requiring-coronavirus-disease-2019-vaccination-for-federal-employees&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.whitehouse.gov&#x2F;briefing-room&#x2F;presidential-action...</a><p>Whitehouse briefing:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;RSFRFVIJqC4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;RSFRFVIJqC4</a><p>COVID plan:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.whitehouse.gov&#x2F;covidplan&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.whitehouse.gov&#x2F;covidplan&#x2F;</a>

A new vaccine. Rushed to market. Pushed upon us before it was even approved. Then rushed to approval.<p>That&#x27;s strange.<p>I need to get this vaccine, not to protect myself, but to protect you.<p>That&#x27;s strange.<p>That&#x27;s 2 strange things in a row.<p>When you see 2 strange things in a row like that, it smells fishy.

Related discussion (can the comments be merged into this thread?): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28474997" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28474997</a>

Except, it seems, USPS 600k+ employees<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nypost.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;09&#x2F;09&#x2F;usps-exempt-from-biden-vax-mandate-for-100m-workers&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nypost.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;09&#x2F;09&#x2F;usps-exempt-from-biden-vax-man...</a><p>thus proving this is not about science, but political, e.g. to stop talking about the Afghan fiasco.

You just need to raise the bar to see the difference between those who will&#x2F;won&#x27;t and where their will to resist expires. For most people it&#x27;s a pretty low bar and when it comes to paying your mortgage then most folk won&#x27;t jeopardize their job.

&gt; but vaccine hesitancy — particularly among white Republicans<p>This sort of quip really makes me distrust NPR.<p>White people are more vaccinated than blacks or Latinos, but the journalist couldn&#x27;t help but try to throw in a dunk on their favorite bogeyman.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kff.org&#x2F;other&#x2F;state-indicator&#x2F;percent-of-total-population-that-has-received-a-covid-19-vaccine-by-race-ethnicity&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kff.org&#x2F;other&#x2F;state-indicator&#x2F;percent-of-total-p...</a>

Good. There is no better use of state power than ensuring public health. Supreme Court resolved this in 1905 w&#x2F;r&#x2F;t smallpox.

We&#x27;ve had tens of thousands of people pouring across our southern border for months illegally.<p>Where is the mandate to test &#x2F; vaccinate these people?<p>Legal travelers and migrants are required to comply with covid restrictions, but these law breakers are not.<p>And then, on top of it, they are provided transportation all over the country and dropped off in jurisdictions without any coordination or notification.<p>How is this mandate supposed to help when the president and his people have been actively undermining the health and safety of this country for months, and have no plan to stop?

Got vaccinated but it looks like long covid was unavoidable all along thanks to my generation&#x27;s willingness embrace and celebrate big govt.

The article doesn&#x27;t say whether there&#x27;s a medical exception. Not everyone <i>can</i> get the vaccine; having that cost your job is both heartless and (probably) illegal.

I feel awful for the people with religious or medical reasons they can&#x27;t be vaccinated. I can&#x27;t imagen having to potentially pick between a truly held religious belief and proving for a family.

So, a CDC study found 78% of people hospitalized for covid were obese or overweight.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;03&#x2F;08&#x2F;covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;03&#x2F;08&#x2F;covid-cdc-study-finds-roughl...</a><p>What&#x27;s to stop the president from issuing another OSHA rule to fire people who are overweight and not actively addressing this risk factor?