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Is this proof of lab leak lies?

89 点作者 llimos超过 3 年前

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corty超过 3 年前
There may be proof in there that somebody lied about something related to the lab leak. In this case, of course funding is a trail of breadcrumbs, and even if there were no relation, a coverup would be likely. Because it makes the funders look bad at least.<p>Real proof that COVID-19 originated in one of the Wuhan labs will probably never be found, there was time enough for a coverup of those facts.<p>But in any case, whether lab leak or not, a few things have become crystal clear imho: Research must really strongly improve its safety around possibly infectious materials. Even researchers working with the stuff consider a lab leak a real possibility. BSL-1 is practically a clean kitchen and BSL-2 is any common hospital before the current Corona measures. Even BSL-3 and -4 facilities are located in habitated urban areas. Researchers freely enter and leave without quarantine, have contact with an unsuspecting population, go to normal hospitals, infect other patients there. Viruses are much much more dangerous than radioactive or chemical materials. A tiny radiation or chemical leak will have tiny consequences. A tiny virus leak can still infect all of humanity.<p>Also, I&#x27;m not qualified enough to comment on whether gain-of-function research is necessary and useful. But I would strongly suggest that given the possible consequences, together with the aforementioned woefully inadequate safety measures, it should be reevaluated. And confined to lonely islands at the end of the world with monthly airdropped supplies, entering or leaving only once a year after destruction of all samples and two months quarantine.
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frereubu超过 3 年前
This really doesn&#x27;t really feel like it tells the whole story. A central claim in the article quotes Rand Paul&#x27;s exchange with Anthony Fauci, but read this quote from The Intercept:<p>&#x27;That video was edited by Paul’s staff so that it ends before Fauci responded to the senator’s harangue by saying, &quot;I totally resent the lie that you are now propagating, senator, because if you look at the viruses that were used in the experiments... it is molecularly impossible... to result in SARS-CoV-2.&quot;&#x27;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theintercept.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;07&#x2F;27&#x2F;covid-anthony-fauci-rand-paul-research&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theintercept.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;07&#x2F;27&#x2F;covid-anthony-fauci-rand...</a>
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Causality1超过 3 年前
I fear the opportunity to truly get to the bottom of it has passed. Judging by the actions of the Chinese government in stomping all over foreign investigations inside China, if it was a lab leak the evidence has long since been destroyed. In the Western world the lab leak hypothesis is largely a distraction, because it&#x27;s easier to focus on blame than it is to put the work into controlling the pandemic.
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m0llusk超过 3 年前
So, posting these assertions over and over again makes them true?<p>Let&#x27;s start at the core as stated in the first paragraph:<p>&gt; ... the central issue of whether it began with natural spillover from animals or some kind of laboratory incident.<p>How exactly is this a central issue? We know that similar viruses appear at a significant rate. How we respond to such inevitable new viruses is going to be the same no matter where they came from. What this is doing is superimposing ideas about storytelling and morality on a situation we have little actual information about. If anything the genesis of SARS-CoV2 is nearly irrelevant.<p>Then it asserts that gain of function experiments were going on because chimeras were created. That is a basic misunderstanding of the subject matter. Chimeras are created when gain of function research is simply too complex or has failed outright, both of which appear to be the case here. Few think that SARS-CoV2 started with an experimental chimera because chimeras don&#x27;t work that way and there is no evidence of chimeric origins in SARS-CoV2.<p>&gt; ... three people who fell sick at a BSL 3 lab within a week of each other.<p>This is ridiculous. It is well established from satellite data that there was an explosion of activity at Wuhan hospitals starting in August. Researchers at the Wuhan facility got sick because everyone in Wuhan was getting sick at that time and had been for at least a month.<p>When you have to engage in that kind of evidence hiding and drama building to make an assertion there is likely to be a problem in the reasoning. This is a really good example of how the power of storytelling tends to overwhelm even obvious truths.<p>&gt; ... these are small steps forward in the search for the pandemic origins.<p>No, these are motivated lies which are incrementally burying the truth. If we are to know the origins of the virus it will probably be through ongoing analysis of gene sequencing data as usual, and whether we find the origins or not we need to be ready for the next new virus because what we can say with absolute certainty is that there will be more deadly viruses and we need to take that seriously no matter where they might come from or what stories we might like to tell about them.
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tzs超过 3 年前
&gt; “There is a possibility it was influenza,” he said. “But I’m very doubtful that three people in highly protected circumstances in a level three laboratory working on coronaviruses would all get sick with influenza that put them in a hospital or in severe conditions all in the same week, and it didn’t have anything with the coronavirus. That’s highly hard to believe. From that point forward, it certainly seemed to have started to spread within their community.”<p>People working in highly protected circumstances in a level 3 laboratory still have plenty of opportunity to pass influenza to each other.<p>First, it is level 4 where the workers wear the full body suits. At level 3 the concern is more just with keeping whatever they are working on from getting out, not with keeping the workers from bringing stuff in.<p>Second, even virus researchers like to socialize and so do things like have lunch together. As far as I know a biology lab lunchroom is pretty much the same as any other office lunchroom as far as biosafety goes.
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belter超过 3 年前
It&#x27;s still early. We will end up finding the truth.<p>The World Health Organization declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern on 30 January 2020 and a pandemic on 11 March 2020. We are getting into the last quarter of 2021. I think we will end up knowing the truth for 3 reasons:<p>- The more time passes without finding evidence of the original animal host, in China or any other country, the more likely the lab theory becomes.<p>- Lovers quarrel, people betray people, and persons who can&#x27;t talk at the moment, after a few years, decide they have more to gain by talking.<p>- It is now known, and this has not been denied, that US Funded non profits were doing gain-of-function research in Wuhan:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theintercept.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;09&#x2F;09&#x2F;covid-origins-gain-of-function-research&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theintercept.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;09&#x2F;09&#x2F;covid-origins-gain-of-fu...</a>
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oxymoran超过 3 年前
At the very least, it’s proof that Fauci lied to Congress that the NIH had been funding the gain of function research. Regardless of if the virus leaked from the lab or not, Fauci needs to go.
tim333超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m not sure the article does a very good job of explaining what &#x27;gain of function&quot; was done. This twitter thread from Richard Ebright is maybe better <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mobile.twitter.com&#x2F;R_H_Ebright&#x2F;status&#x2F;1436203624124747777" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mobile.twitter.com&#x2F;R_H_Ebright&#x2F;status&#x2F;14362036241247...</a>
TrispusAttucks超过 3 年前
Most of these facts have been out for awhile now but have been effectively suppressed by mainstream propaganda control.
Wolfenstein98k超过 3 年前
Seems eminently plausible. Keeping an eye on this.
nojito超过 3 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Betteridge&#x27;s_law_of_headlines" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Betteridge&#x27;s_law_of_headlines</a>
flerchin超过 3 年前
For crying out loud. Inductive reasoning. GTFO
tomohawk超过 3 年前
&gt; ... these documents include the original proposals along with project updates, so significantly flesh out what we knew. They highlight how US funding bodies outsourced risky gain-of-function research to China, even over a three-year period between 2014 and 2017 when it was banned in their own nation