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The Forever Trial at Guantanamo

145 点作者 staccatomeasure超过 3 年前

16 条评论

jabedude超过 3 年前
I wish the article explored some of the absurdities that have sprung up during the Gitmo commissions. Hidden microphones[0] discovered in the rooms used by lawyers to meet with suspects. The presiding judge accepting a job[1] from the prosecution while serving as the judge in the case. It&#x27;s remarkable how clumsily the military commissions have been conducted for nearly a decade with no end in sight<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;03&#x2F;12&#x2F;us&#x2F;politics&#x2F;guantanamo-hidden-microphone.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;03&#x2F;12&#x2F;us&#x2F;politics&#x2F;guantanamo-hi...</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.bloomberglaw.com&#x2F;us-law-week&#x2F;guantanamo-commission-can-remain-despite-judges-job-conflict" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.bloomberglaw.com&#x2F;us-law-week&#x2F;guantanamo-commiss...</a>
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tyingq超过 3 年前
Have a look at the list of all known detainees here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_Guantanamo_Bay_detaine...</a><p>A couple of the entries that caught my eye:<p><pre><code> Al Hajj, Sami Sudan 2001 Cameraman for al Jazeera, only journalist held at Gitmo, hunger-striker Released May 1, 2008 Al Kandari, Abdullah kamel bin Abdullah Kamal Kuwait * Main allegation is wearing a Casio F91W digital watch </code></pre> More info on Sami Al Hajj: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Sami_al-Hajj" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Sami_al-Hajj</a><p>More on the Casio watch thing: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2011&#x2F;apr&#x2F;25&#x2F;guantanamo-files-casio-wristwatch-alqaida" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2011&#x2F;apr&#x2F;25&#x2F;guantanamo-fil...</a>
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Causality1超过 3 年前
The existence of Guantanamo is the greatest insult to the entire foundation of the US government. How can you pretend that the Constitution only recognizes naturally-existing rights but then construct a prison outside your country explicitly so you can deny those rights to your prisoners?<p>Ten thousand free terrorists would be a tiny price to pay to end this cancer.
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kuraudo超过 3 年前
I remember reading as a kid that this is the kind of thing that an evil empire does. Now that I realize that evil empire is us, I don&#x27;t understand how anyone can justify this horror show.
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BeetleB超过 3 年前
If people want an idea of how problematic Gitmo was&#x2F;is, they should read about Murat Kurnaz.[1]<p>Some highlights:<p>Within months of his detention, everyone admitted he should not have been detained (no ties to terrorists, not an enemy combatant). Yet he was held for five more years and subjected to torture.<p><i>After</i> they knew he was innocent, he was repeatedly interrogated about a friend of his who had committed a suicide bombing. Except that friend was well and alive in Germany, and likely had never been to that part of the world.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Murat_Kurnaz" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Murat_Kurnaz</a>
baybal2超过 3 年前
The biggest question about Khaled Sheikh Mohammed, and other Gitmo prisoners nobody talks about:<p>Are they lawful combatants?<p>If they are... and the war is over, the warring party is obliged to release the POW as per Geneva convention, which USA is a signatory of.<p>USA is also a signatory of the first protocol, which <i>extends the Geneva convention to irregular combatants</i>, including people fighting in <i>proxy wars,</i> and <i>guerilla forces.</i><p>By militarily, and materially supporting the Saudi regime against its people, USA has became a legit target in the conflict, and extended jus in bello to the attackers.<p>K.S.M. may well walk out of the courtroom.
fcktheusa超过 3 年前
George W Bush and his colleagues and successors and all their families deserve to be drone striked for what they&#x27;ve done. The political class of this country is rotten and needs wiping out entirely.<p>Eventually, there will be a reckoning. And I look forward to the inevitable collapse of the USA and the end of its abuse of humanity.
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bluedino超过 3 年前
How is KSM still alive?
tinus_hn超过 3 年前
It would be a bit embarrassing if some of these suspects can’t be convicted and they get compensated for being detained for a decade.
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Threeve303超过 3 年前
Coming soon virtually to a life near you!
hartator超过 3 年前
Don’t forget that Biden authored the Patriot Act and he is now president.
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drocer88超过 3 年前
An alternate view : <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nypost.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;08&#x2F;21&#x2F;hundreds-of-released-gitmo-detainees-back-to-killing-americans&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nypost.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;08&#x2F;21&#x2F;hundreds-of-released-gitmo-det...</a><p>&quot;Shortly after taking office, Biden reversed President Trump’s executive order to keep Gitmo open and is lining up inmates to transfer out of the prison with the goal of emptying it and shuttering it — even though the remaining prisoners have long been classified by military intelligence as the worst of the worst and too dangerous to release.&quot;
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ctdonath超过 3 年前
Keep in mind that several who were released from Gitmo are now leaders of the new terrorist government of Afghanistan. Bureaucrats are not adept at fairly handling judicial issues in war situations where justice by definition doesn’t exist.
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tommymachine超过 3 年前
We need to let all these guys out as soon as possible so they can take up the reigns in the fledgling new Afghan government.
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TedDoesntTalk超过 3 年前
The article never mentions the elephant in the room: if these men are put on a public trial, the government will have to reveal intelligence information that may embarrass or endanger the lives of people in the intelligence community.
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Turing_Machine超过 3 年前
There are a lot of misconceptions here, both in the original article and many of the comments. Most of them derive from assuming that this is some type of &quot;crime&quot; situation that automatically falls into the purview of the civilian courts, with Miranda rights and all that stuff. That is wrong. A completely separate system of jurisprudence is involved.<p>There are two basic statuses for captured combatants. The first is &quot;prisoner of war&quot;. There are rules about how POWs may be treated, but they don&#x27;t include anything like a &quot;fair trial&quot;. It is, in fact, <i>illegal</i> to put POWs on trial. Instead, they are supposed to be treated humanely and repatriated after hostilities have ceased. The catch here is that to be entitled to POW status the combatant must abide by the so-called laws of war, including bearing arms openly in the field (i.e, not hiding among civilians) and wearing a uniform or other insignia recognizable at a distance (something like a purple armband would be enough -- it just has to be something that clearly identifies you as &quot;not a civilian&quot; as seen from a distance).<p>The second status is that of the so-called &quot;unlawful combatant&quot;. This includes pirates, spies, terrorists, or anyone else who engages in hostilities without wearing a uniform or insignia, or who engages in other actions in violation of the laws of war (for example, deliberately attacking civilians, hiding among the civilian population, falsely wearing a symbol that indicates that the combatant is a medic, and so on).<p>Unlawful combatants have no rights of any kind. They may be detained indefinitely (even after hostilities have ceased), tried by a military tribunal, or even be summarily executed on the spot when captured.<p>This basic framework has been the rule for centuries, and was most recently codified by the Geneva Conventions. It&#x27;s not some new policy that the United States made up.
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