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Why Monero

330 点作者 benkaiser超过 3 年前

29 条评论

habosa超过 3 年前
Bitcoin is totally useless as a currency because it’s slow, has high transaction fees, and easy to trace. So it’s bad for both regular consumers and criminals alike.<p>Monero is a solid improvement because it has low fees (so far) and is very hard to trace. So it’s popular for criminals or intense privacy types. It’s still far too slow and hard to use to ever be accepted in your local grocery store. It’s also hard to buy with fiat because most exchanges are scared of it.<p>What’s really remarkable is how little any of this has changed since ~2016 which was two crypto boom cycles ago. Every single popular cryptocurrency still has the same massive flaws. They’re all either too traceable, too hard to use, too centralized, too slow, too expensive, or too energy intensive. Most of them are many of those things.<p>In 2010 I was a crypto believer. But the whole space has made so little forward progress in 10+ years. In fact there’s been a lot of backwards progress. Mostly all that’s happened is a lot of people have become obscenely rich from speculation, scams, or the intersection of those two things.<p>Those of us who hoped for a new way to pay for things in real life are still waiting.
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stavros超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m not really happy promoting a cryptocurrency these days, given that most of them are get-rich-quick schemes, but Monero has been solid for the past 5-6 years that I&#x27;ve been using it. It&#x27;s completely anonymous, sends quickly, has minimal fees, and it hasn&#x27;t been as full of cultists as some of the other coins I&#x27;ve seen.<p>I use it to pay for some things and it&#x27;s always a pleasant experience. I recommend it. The only downside is that, due to the anonymity, the clients aren&#x27;t as convenient (because the server can&#x27;t know your transactions, it&#x27;s hard to have &quot;light clients&quot;).<p>MyMonero works really well, though: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mymonero.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mymonero.com&#x2F;</a>
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hamburgerwah超过 3 年前
For those that may not be familiar, the relatively strong anonymity on Monero is via a cryptographic mechanism known as &quot;ring signatures&quot;. Separate from cryptocurrency they are a useful cryptographic technique for many things: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ring_signature" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ring_signature</a>
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sdze超过 3 年前
GNU Taler is (for Europeans at least) the most promising system, because it is controllable (at least on the merchant side).<p>The users themself are anonymous, just like when using cash!<p>That is a good system because it enables governments to still being able to tax businesses and control illegal activities. Such system will also gain more acceptance among the common folks.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;taler.net&#x2F;en&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;taler.net&#x2F;en&#x2F;index.html</a>
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scoofy超过 3 年前
When you develop a value exchange that is perfectly designed for facilitating human kidnappings and subverting international sanctions, you should not be surprised when other humans decide they value institutions over this level of personal privacy.<p>The narrative that this type of value exchange will protect people is as easily argued that it will put others at risk. We have institutions for a reason, and nobody living in a free country should desire such an absurdly dangerous means of value exchange.<p>At least when you exchange physical currency, it&#x27;s actually physically difficult for a kidnapper or bank robber to handle the actually physical volume of $1M.
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cowpig超过 3 年前
How can anyone think this is a good thing? At least other crypto projects have a degree of transparency going for them.<p>I don&#x27;t understand how people can possibly think that identity obfuscation at scale is a good thing for a financial system. The rule of law and democracy are far from perfect, but it is unquestionably the safest, cushiest time to be alive in human history right now for the average human being.<p>Let&#x27;s make our financial system completely opaque and make it impossible to enforce laws. That&#x27;ll really help us!<p>This is a blindness that can only come from a lifetime of extreme privilege.
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henron超过 3 年前
Monero looks like the best crypto for crime, so probably the most valuable crypto in the long run.
teawrecks超过 3 年前
Monero sounds great as a starting point since it can theoretically mimic an in-person cash exchange as far as anonymity is concerned. But to encourage adoption we need to be able to do more than that. Is it possible to design a &quot;chargeback&quot; mechanism on top of monero? What if I want the ability to allow an intermediary to arbitrate a dispute between me and the other party?
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ahnick超过 3 年前
I&#x27;d be curious to hear from Monero fans why one might select it over Zcash? Zcash seems to have stronger security guarantees when shielded transactions are used.
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bb88超过 3 年前
Waaaay down at the bottom you see something like this:<p>&gt; Personal Speculation<p>&gt; Disclosure: I own a small amount of Monero, Bitcoin and Nano.<p>How small? $1M might be small to a billionaire. To others $50k is a large amount.<p>Otherwise it seems like yet another blog post shilling crypto.
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Rijek33超过 3 年前
Monero is bad because it democratizes offshore accounting. Only us rich people should have this privilege. Is this the gist of anti monero sentiment?
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randomhodler84超过 3 年前
Monero is a quality project ignored by the masses. Zcash is also pretty cool too!
cosmotic超过 3 年前
Still has 21 minute transaction time: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.monero.how&#x2F;how-long-do-monero-transactions-take" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.monero.how&#x2F;how-long-do-monero-transactions-take</a>
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loughnane超过 3 年前
Monero shines bright in a world where privacy is constantly being eroded.<p>I very much want to live in a future where there is a digital payment method that’s as anonymous as cash. As far as I can tell Monero is the front runner
melenaos超过 3 年前
I supported monero coin for buying my application, Chordastic.<p>Its almost 6 months and i havent made a singe sale in Monero, but it doesnt matter. Its about widening the purchase power of the coin.
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price112超过 3 年前
Once people realize that when they transact a BTC transaction and all their history can be tracked, they won&#x27;t like it. Most people think they are hidden behind pseudo-address, but that really is not the case anymore. Go figure. Imagine your bank account is transparent. Every transaction can be seen by everyone. Scary stuff... And it&#x27;s not about illegality. The fact that everyone can know how much money my neighbor has or his spending habits whatever. Just horrible horrible horrible. It&#x27;s awful. I can&#x27;t wrap my head around it. And it&#x27;s only gonna get worse with more KYC. Coinjoin isn&#x27;t practical. There is nothing that can fix this. Some people already find this troublesome. You might not feel bothered holding 0.1 BTC, but if you have more than that? People are crazy. It maybe isn&#x27;t problem now, but the future?<p>Financial transparency won&#x27;t prevent crimes. And KYC doesn&#x27;t prevent crimes either.<p>Optional privacy also isn&#x27;t a solution. All transactions must look the same or very similar otherwise you stand out.<p>Monero solves all of this. It still has a long way to go though.
lamontcg超过 3 年前
&gt; Your wallet contains a private key that can prove ownership of &quot;outputs&quot; from previous transactions on the blockchain.<p>If that private key is compromised can law enforcement read your past transaction history?<p>And if law enforcement compromises the private key on the other side of the transaction can they connect the two of you, and all your prior mutual transactions?
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pedalpete超过 3 年前
I used to hold Monero, my issue with it is that it&#x27;s main use case of anonymity aids the anti-crypto story of crypto being used for money laundering or other illicit activities.
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sireat超过 3 年前
As the article states the biggest problem is onramp (just like with most crypto).<p>When using it for payments is that it is hard to make a case for a regular user (new to crypto) to use it.<p>The onramp is too painful&#x2F;expensive&#x2F;convuluted + payment is without recourse.<p>Joe Customer needs a really good incentive to use crypto. Currently this means something shady.<p>So only normal crypto use is for those who already hold some crypto.<p>PS I&#x27;ve looked for a good solution to this since 2011 and the progress has been glacial.
webwielder2超过 3 年前
How do I get some monero? I&#x27;ve only ever bought crypto with the consumer-level apps and know nothing about mining. (Original article isn&#x27;t loading, in case it has any info in there)
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kybernetyk超过 3 年前
Monero is my hedge against the state.
wheresmycraisin超过 3 年前
I&#x27;ve tried using Monero because of it&#x27;s supposed privacy features, and found that the official desktop gui clients is completely unusable. I&#x27;m not just talking usability and design issues -- I&#x27;m talking random crashes and freezes, if it manages to launch at all. When I brought these issues to the dev team, I was basically told to fuck off.
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wyager超过 3 年前
“Scalability” by constantly increasing the block size isn’t really scalability. If monero ever sees high network usage, expanding blocks will push node storage requirements so high that only a small number of nodes will continue to run, destroying decentralization.
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notanzaiiswear超过 3 年前
For the dogecoin fans, there is also a similar project based on Monero called Wownero: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wownero.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wownero.org&#x2F;</a> - that is, technology based on Monero, but more fun.<p>Since I missed to dogecoin hype, I am now rooting for Wow.
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NoImmatureAdHom超过 3 年前
A wise man once said to me: good money needs to be <i>stealable</i>. Think about it.
sub7超过 3 年前
This, like the rest of crypto, enables the world&#x27;s worst humans.<p>Also, the founder (who loves telling people to stay poor online) is in jail for fraud. I&#x27;m shocked.<p>I really hope Gensler and co sack up and shut down these wannabe pirate losers.
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prestigious超过 3 年前
Without fail every crypto article brings out the cranks of hacker news who sound like luddites&#x2F;flat earthers
robomc超过 3 年前
&gt; Monero also opts for a shorter transaction time of 2 minutes, rather than 10 minutes for Bitcoin.<p>Why are people still pursuing this cringely inadequate technology
nprateem超过 3 年前
Monero people may not like it but Particl v3 may be released next week or the week after. It&#x27;s a privacy coin like monero but comes with a decentralised, anonymous marketplace like ebay. V3 will be the first production-ready, mainstream release ready for primetime. It seems to me one of the most undervalued crypto projects with an actual useful product.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;particl.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;particl.io</a>