Online coding school Treehouse lays off most of its staff

97 点作者 fantunes超过 3 年前

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rchaud超过 3 年前

Sad news. I remember finishing the HTML, CSS and PHP courses on there back in 2014. They really paid attention to details and made video-based learning less boring. It's a pretty stark contrast to Udemy, where I don't think I've ever finished a single course.They had (at the time), really good teachers, and the forums were a great source of knowledge.

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subsubzero超过 3 年前

I know that not all remote learning companies are doing great, Khan Academy which was booming in the mid teens had layoffs as well. In addition Udacity has also had multiple rounds of layoffs as they are struggling with profitability. Those 2 mentioned are very prominent and if they are doing bad then smaller players like treehouse probably are not doing great also.I don't agree with the no management change they did but thought the 4 day workweek was a smart idea. Microsoft japan reported that a 4 day workweek increased productivity by 40% - <a href="https://www.npr.org/2019/11/04/776163853/microsoft-japan-says-4-day-workweek-boosted-workers-productivity-by-40" rel="nofollow">https://www.npr.org/2019/11/04/776163853/microsoft-japan-say...</a>

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epa超过 3 年前

"Treehouse rolled back the no-boss workplace in 2015, saying employees felt they were 'lonely islands with no support' without a management structure."

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rahimnathwani超过 3 年前

Perhaps a business that makes money from educational content needs something that provides additional value (over and above what you'd get from a folder of videos), e.g.A. Interactive features (scrimba.com)B. Mentors (demandcurve.com)C. Credentials (Udacity, Coursera)D. Community/cohortE. Convenient access to frequent updates (blinkist, shortform, getabstract)

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oregano超过 3 年前

Treehouse was the very first online learning platform I ever paid for when I started to entertain the idea of learning to code.Back in 2012-2013 it was amazing. I sunk countless hours into the videos and thought it was a great value.After building some basic sites I decided to take the plunge and enroll in a bootcamp. Fast forward to today and I’m incredibly thankful for taking these steps.

jasonwatkinspdx超过 3 年前

This is a bummer. I met a few of the Treehouse folks as well as a couple students at a private social thing some years ago. They made a strong impression of being both passionate and competent, a real contrast to the bulk of the online class companies imo, but it's hard to compete against dirt cheap or free.

guessmyname超过 3 年前

> Workers later posted an online spreadsheet with the names of 41 employees looking for new jobs. Treehouse has a geographically distributed workforce and the company’s employees live in cities across the countryThey forgot to include a link to the spreadsheet.I found it here → <a href="https://twitter.com/nickrp/status/1436747911220457482" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/nickrp/status/1436747911220457482</a>(and in case they delete the Twitter post) → <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D8419ThkbOibfMcGQRUi_UC6cZrL3oQ6DCqeU4bgQxo/" rel="nofollow">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D8419ThkbOibfMcGQRUi...</a>

open-source-ux超过 3 年前

Sad to hear about their staff. It sounds like the company has been almost gutted.Treehouse are skewed towards beginners but I wonder if the market for beginner content is too saturated? Udemy dominates for paid video courses (for beginners) and YouTube covers the free tutorials option.Also, Treehouse's content is divided into lots of separate videos. It's a big collection of videos but it isn't always obvious how each video relates to another - I wonder if this confuses beginners? I presume this more modular approach was designed to let learners tailor their own learning path. Or to flexibly arrange the content into modular tracks.Contrast the Udemy approach: The all-in-one course for a language or topic that promises the user a more linear curriculum. Of course, the quality of Udemy courses can vary hugely, but there's no doubt the all-in-one course is appealing to beginner learners.These is a small but helpful YouTube channel which reviews online learning platforms (Udemy, Pluralsight, etc) called Tech Course Review. Here is an informative review of Treehouse from December 2020:Treehouse Review 2021: Is Treehouse worth it?<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSuv0QaALZM" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSuv0QaALZM</a>

908B64B197超过 3 年前

I have to say this doesn't come as a surprise.Bootcamps have failed one after another. The most well known, Lambda, is even desperate enough they will "loan" you a new "grad" for free to try to get you to hire one [0]. And that's not even scratching the surface of what's wrong with bootcamps in general, like having instructors barely a few months ahead of students giving out lectures and grading assignments [1].I can't say I've seen anyone out of a bootcamp that was a great hire. I guess these online coding schools might cater to motivated teenagers that are interesting in trying out CS before enrolling in a proper degree. But there's no money to be made there.[0] <a href="https://lambdaschool.com/the-commons/announcing-lambda-fellows-new-way-for-graduates-get-hands-on-experience" rel="nofollow">https://lambdaschool.com/the-commons/announcing-lambda-fello...</a>[1] <a href="https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/02/lambda-schools-job-placement-rate-is-lower-than-claimed.html" rel="nofollow">https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/02/lambda-schools-job-p...</a>

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system2超过 3 年前

Why would a learning platform need 41 employees? These are all instructor and expert videos. Were these 41 employees instructors? If not, for just the infrastructure is it really necessary to have 41 employees?

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racl101超过 3 年前

Ironic that most people taking their courses are doing so to be able to ..... get jobs.I always liked Treehouse's presentation but it was a bit pricey compared to other services like Udemy for example.

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rmason超过 3 年前

I was always impressed by Treehouse and recommended it for people trying to learn to code. But it did require you to have more inner drive (or grit) than a bootcamp

tedyoung超过 3 年前

Would love to know what caused this to happen, given (as the article says) huge amounts of money being poured into (seemingly) similar businesses.

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nacho2sweet超过 3 年前

It is actually so much work and costs a lot to produce an online course. After you have a lot of content is it not better try and sell the content you have, and then offload the creation workload udemy style, especially with coding courses since there are so many remote work people in this space.