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Laziness does not exist (2018)

183 点作者 edtechdev超过 3 年前

19 条评论

dustintrex超过 3 年前
The title is clickbaity and the content a bit overboard, but this statement resonates:<p>&gt; <i>If a person’s behavior doesn’t make sense to you, it is because you are missing a part of their context.</i><p>Working in a large company with lots of stakeholders pulling in different directions, I&#x27;ve lost count of how many times I&#x27;ve heard X complain that Y is an idiot and what they&#x27;re doing makes no sense, and then talked to Y directly and realized that from <i>their</i> point of view Y&#x27;s actions are entirely rational.
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dang超过 3 年前
Past related threads:<p><i>Laziness Does Not Exist</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27398182" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27398182</a> - June 2021 (1 comment)<p><i>Laziness Does Not Exist</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23761968" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23761968</a> - July 2020 (1 comment)<p><i>Laziness Does Not Exist but unseen barriers do</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=17720674" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=17720674</a> - Aug 2018 (10 comments)<p><i>Laziness Does Not Exist</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=17230047" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=17230047</a> - June 2018 (6 comments)
sdwr超过 3 年前
Human problems can always be redefined. This reminds me of something on (the old) SSC, about how new psychological frameworks for treatment always look promising at discovery, then tail off in effectiveness down to the rest of the pack as they&#x27;re adopted more widely. The author here has something to give: enthusiasm, understanding, compassion, and it&#x27;s not surprising that he is finding outsized results.<p>My own experience with procrastination is one of failing to clear mental hurdles. I always did assignments at the last minute, and relied on adrenaline and unconscious skill to carry me over the finish line. The bar eventually got high enough that I couldn&#x27;t clear it in one late-night coffee-fueled panic, and I started balking at the line.
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Causality1超过 3 年前
This seems less clever when you realize the same argument applies to every other personality trait, because they&#x27;re all dependent on something. Nobody does anything truly nonsensical because the brain is not capable of it. Every attitude and behavior is the result of circumstance. Despite that we&#x27;ve as a society decided that some behaviors deserve moral judgment. If you want to argue that judgment is a mistake go ahead, but laziness isn&#x27;t any more real or fake than boredom or talkativeness or pedophilia or rudeness.
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noiseman超过 3 年前
&gt; As Kim explained to me, if you’re laying out in the freezing cold, drinking some alcohol may be the only way to warm up and get to sleep.<p>Does alcohol actually warm you up? I thought it did the opposite.
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Borrible超过 3 年前
Personally I prefer the term &#x27;optimizing short term personal&#x2F;individual gain&#x2F;cost functions&#x27; over &#x27;lazyness&#x27;.
locallost超过 3 年前
Strangely I&#x27;ve noticed recently that I get to stuff a lot more easier then before. For a long time everything felt like a chore, and I could only ever think about forcing myself and it was bloody hard. But a couple weeks ago some things happened that shook me up, so maybe it&#x27;s easier to e.g. empty the dishwasher than to think about things I don&#x27;t want to think about. Now I do the e.g. dishwasher in 5 minutes and think -- wait is it done, is there something else there?<p>People that could see me now would think what a hard worker I am, and three weeks or months ago they would&#x27;ve gotten a different impression. So there I think he&#x27;s right. I think it&#x27;s still possible to be lazy, by virtue of not caring about accomplishing anything, but I don&#x27;t know how possible this is.
gorwell超过 3 年前
Sounds nice, but sometimes I&#x27;m just being lazy.
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smitty1e超过 3 年前
&gt; It’s really helpful to respond to a person’s ineffective behavior with curiosity rather than judgment.<p>Especially initially. But if one sympathizes with a Wally figure, then one will become adept at sympathizing with that Wally figure.
protomikron超过 3 年前
Laziness may indeed not exist, but non-strict evaluation for sure does.
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donatj超过 3 年前
Yesterday, Sunday I knew I had to move the brush pile in my back yard into the front yard because municipal brush pickup was on Monday. I also knew it was going to be 90°f by about noon and not going to taper off until after dark. I knew perfectly well I should do it in the AM before it got hot.<p>Yet, about 3pm I hauled the brush and got drenched in sweat and honestly felt sick. Why? I was being lazy and didn&#x27;t want to get out of bed. It&#x27;s 100% a thing.
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bloqs超过 3 年前
A psychology professor who doesn&#x27;t seem to know the literature on psychometrics? This is undergrad level stuff.. see Conscienciousness <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Big_Five_personality_traits" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Big_Five_personality_traits</a>
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asimjalis超过 3 年前
I wish the article provided actionable advice. Mostly it seems to diagnose a problem but then not provide a solution. Except maybe empathy and understanding.
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trilinearnz超过 3 年前
Thank you for sharing this, in all sincerity.
leobg超过 3 年前
Too lazy to read the article. (Although, that doesn’t exist.)
black_13超过 3 年前
What is the obsession on this page with “procrastination”?
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serverholic超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m curious what the author thinks about the navy seals. Would they be successful taking his approach? I don&#x27;t think so.<p>I think some people respond to the lovey-dovey caring approach that he takes and others respond better to the strong, aggressive approach that the navy seals, and his coworker take.<p>My biggest criticism of the author is that he makes a strong moral judgment that his way is the right way and any other way is wrong. For example, he paints his fellow teacher as an evil person who abuses her students.<p>I&#x27;d even go so far as saying this encapsulates one of the reasons we are so politically polarized these days. I think the left has a tendency to act like this guy and the right wingers get sick of people thinking they&#x27;re evil.
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IncRnd超过 3 年前
The author directly stated seeing repeated procrastination in many situations, yet stated that laziness does not exist. The premise of this article is literally founded on intellectual laziness.<p>When a person takes a course twice without ever managing to turn in homework, the situation of the student is not completely to blame, since the student didn&#x27;t take the time to do something - the work, withdrawing in time, discussing options with the professor, something.<p>It seems fairly clear that the author has a &quot;schtick&quot; or a unique &quot;angle&quot; on social psychology that is being promulgated. As it turns out, they released a book this year called, &quot;Laziness Does Not Exist&quot;, three years after this article was written.
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robbedpeter超过 3 年前
This author is a nonsense person.<p>Laziness exists. . It&#x27;s nice to think of humans as noble and well intentioned despite some externalities, but some people are consciously, deliberately, knowingly manipulative and deceitful and lazy.<p>Not everyone is good. Most people aren&#x27;t. We&#x27;re vicious, tribal, vengeful, resentful, always looking out for whatever the biggest circle is we feel responsible for, whether it&#x27;s a country, a company, a team, family, friends, or just ourselves.<p>The reasons might make sense to the person doing the rationalizing, but that doesn&#x27;t negate the fact that bad traits exist. You can&#x27;t rationalize away the consequences of choice in individual life circumstances.<p>This person is why I have very little respect for academia. If they&#x27;re a &quot;PhD,&quot; then the term means nothing.
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