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Germany has one of the lowest tuition fees

43 点作者 tanto超过 3 年前

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chrisseaton超过 3 年前
I often hear about Americans having as much as hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt… how do they get so much debt when their fees are only $9k a year? Where is the rest of their debt coming from?
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xyzelement超过 3 年前
Education has quite opaque pricing which makes comparison difficult.<p>For example, my undergraduate Alma Mater, a New York State University, charges 7K per year in-state, 25K out-of-state. Which one of those is factored into the average cited here?<p>Furthermore, what percentage of students actually pay this tuition? Poor students get financial aid from the government and the university, good students get academic scholarships - all the way up to a free ride. Are those discounts reflected in the averages?<p>And, direct tuition is not the full story of the cost of education. For example, while it looks like a NY student can get a good deal on State education, it&#x27;s possible that their family&#x27;s life-time tax bill to support education far exceeds the savings. Likewise, if German tuition seems cheap - where is the money coming from? Germans must be paying for it in some other way.<p>The thing that matters the most is: how affordable is a college education to someone. Let&#x27;s say I am a New York resident with good grades and I can get a half-ride tuition (3.5K&#x2F;year) at a very good State School, the fact that I could also go to NYU (50k&#x2F;year) or Columbia (61k&#x2F;year) is irrelevant to my affordability. If I chose to go in to 240K debt to go to Columbia, that&#x27;s my choice and my problem I could have gone to Stony Brook and pay 14K for 4 years for a solid education.<p>And finally, there&#x27;s the elephant in the room that not all degrees are the same, but somehow they cost the same. If I get a highly relevant degree (let&#x27;s say, Engineering) then even the 240K student debt can be easily paid off in a few years of full time work, and launch me into a great career (though, the Stony Brook degree would too.) On the other hand, the fact that Columbia would likewise happily bill you 240K for a soft-degree that will never lead to a good job is a fricking crime.
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mdorazio超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m genuinely surprised that the US is not at the top of the list. Can anyone explain why England&#x27;s tuition is so high (or has risen so much as the article says)?
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Kiro超过 3 年前
Why is Germany singled out in the title?
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dudul超过 3 年前
Why isn&#x27;t this submission titled &quot;Sweden has the lowest tuition fees&quot;? Why focus on Germany?
gilstroem超过 3 年前
I think Scotland deserves an honourable mention here. Bachelor’s degrees are free, under a scheme called “SAAS” (Might be home and EU only). Interestingly, people from England have to pay the same in Scotland as they do in England.
gandalfian超过 3 年前
They say in Austria you don&#x27;t even apply. You just turn up at any university and everyone is accepted. If you can&#x27;t pass the exams you get washed out quite quickly though.
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johnmato超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m generally surprised that England is more expensive compared to the US.
dustinmoris超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m from Austria. We have 0 (zero) tuition fees.<p>Sounds good right?<p>Well... actually... not that great if you are ambitious, because it means that Austrian universities are over crowded. It is extremely common to see &quot;long term&quot; students, essentially people who study for 10+ years so they get state benefits as a student. Ambitious people will struggle to complete their studies in the minimum required time (e.g. 3 years for a Bachelor&#x27;s), because overcrowding means that there are long waiting lists for exams. Some students need to enlist to a waiting list for an exam before even joining the university if they want to have a chance to do an exam in time so that they can finish within the 3 years. It&#x27;s just complete bonkers.<p>Of course, because the EU is led by fucking geniuses (not), they thought it would be a good idea if any EU citizen is allowed to study in any EU country, meaning that Austrian universities are not only overcrowded, but overcrowded by Germans who don&#x27;t want to pay tuition fees in their home country. It&#x27;s easy for them because we speak the same language and Austrian students miss out on spaces and miss out on exam opportunities forcing them to study much longer than needed.<p>Honestly, it&#x27;s a perfect example of how two populist headlines such as<p>- free tuition fees<p>- any EU citizen can study in any EU country<p>sound great on the news and abroad when you want to make your country&#x2F;EU look good but in reality are a complete disaster.<p>I would have preferred to pay some fees which then would have meant that I could have had a normal university experience, but instead I didn&#x27;t finish my degree at all because of those dumb socialist-populist policies which put me in the difficult situation of either aborting my studies and finding a job because my dad died, my mother was ill and I had to help out or study for an extra 2 years and struggle for the most basic things in life.
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gandalfian超过 3 年前
In the UK where did all the extra money go? It&#x27;s a mystery!<p>Hmm, downvoted. Stupid question? Irrelevant? To go from the government paying £4000 a year for a students free degree to the student paying £10,000 a year still seems odd to me.