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Google CEO allegedly sought to keep Incognito mode issues out of spotlight

200 点作者 rastafang超过 3 年前

14 条评论

jeroenhd超过 3 年前
While I&#x27;ll gladly criticise Google when they introduce yet more privacy invasion, this lawsuit is a stupid money grab and I hope Google wins this fight.<p>The entire lawsuit revolves around the idea that incognito (&quot;private&quot;) browsing somehow implies that users aren&#x27;t tracked at all, despite a clear, front-and-center warning that they still might be whenever you use it, purely based on the name alone.<p>Someone saw that law makers were going after big tech and wanted in on the action. This lawsuit servers nothing but the lawyers. If Google loses this, ANY name that COULD be ambiguous could become grounds for a lawsuit for billions despite all warnings you might add to software.
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jlokier超过 3 年前
For me, the biggest surprise with Chrome Incognito mode was discovering that separate Incognito windows share cookies with each other.<p>I had been logging into accounts in an Incognito window, then opening a new Incognito window to visit other sites assuming they were new private sessions. One day I was surprised to find myself already logged in to someplace I visited, in a new Incognito window.<p>At that point, I discovered that much of my Incognito activity across the web for the previous few months was in fact tracked to my identifiable, logged in accounts. And that my multiple accounts (for work, other work, personal) were potentially being linked together, which I did not want.<p>For months I hadn&#x27;t noticed because I tended not to open the same sites more than once. So I hadn&#x27;t realised that cookie sharing was happening, which means cross-site tracking was happening.<p>Now I don&#x27;t use Incognito windows any more. There&#x27;s no point, they aren&#x27;t what I expected.<p>Now I use Firefox Containers to segregate account logins and reduce unwanted profiling (e.g. with YouTube), and Temporary Containers when I want a new, ephemeral session.<p>Firefox Temporary Containers actually do what I&#x27;d mistakenly thought Incognito mode was for.
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hn_throwaway_99超过 3 年前
Google has <i>tons</i> of valid issues with their privacy, but honestly I don&#x27;t think the ridiculousness of the Incognito Mode lawsuit has any merit.<p>The description of Incognito Mode was always very clear that <i>the client</i> wasn&#x27;t tracking you, but servers could still track you. The fact that Google has another product, Google Analytics, that they offer any website developer that want to put it on their site, does not mean their original description of Incognito Mode was inaccurate.<p>Especially as a technologist, it irks me when I see journalists deliberately obfuscating what actually goes on with Incognito Mode.
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PragmaticPulp超过 3 年前
There weren’t actually any issues with Incognito Mode. It was a manufactured crisis from people who wanted to claim that Incognito Mode was misleading about hiding internet activity from upstream network providers when it clearly explains otherwise on the Incognito Mode new tab.<p>I don’t even know what the Incognito Mode opponents even wanted. Built-in free VPN service? Total removal of Incognito Mode?<p>Google didn’t have any nefarious intent or actions in this. I don’t see why it would be wrong for them to downplay exaggerated allegations.
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MattGaiser超过 3 年前
Incognito seems pretty clear on its startup page about what it does and does not do.<p>&gt; Chrome won’t save the following information:<p>&gt; Your browsing history<p>&gt; Cookies and site data<p>&gt; Information entered in forms<p>&gt; Your activity might still be visible to:<p>&gt; Websites you visit<p>&gt; Your employer or school<p>&gt; Your internet service provider
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WesolyKubeczek超过 3 年前
The answer to the question whether the Incognito mode is private, given it’s marketed as such, is the same as about Tesla’s autopilot: yes, but actually no.<p>As, sadly, are many other things. It seems to be the zeitgeist of modern marketing.
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aaaaaaaaaaab超过 3 年前
This is right up there with the poodle in the microwave. Everybody knew that “incognito mode” was an euphemism for “porn mode”.
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shiado超过 3 年前
I only use Youtube in incognito mode to avoid the Youtube algorithm and recently I think they have started to preserve suggestions between incognito sessions. Not in the way the algorithm usually works, but much more subtly. It&#x27;s probably some minor region-based suggestion that triggers but who knows. In the future I think all algorithm driven content sites will use uniquely fingerprinted undeletable algorithmic suggestions. Companies are leaving money on the table by letting users reset the state on algorithms that increase content consumption.
bestnameever超过 3 年前
Incognito mode has always been to me just a way to prevent the local client from maintaining my history but I also recall that was the way it was marketed when it first came out. Tracking wasn&#x27;t really on my mind at that point.<p>I wonder if some differences in perspectives are the result of when you first became familiar with the feature.
monkeyfacebag超过 3 年前
Reading through the article and the comments here, the facts aren&#x27;t clear to me. Does Google itself track the behavior of its users in incognito mode? Some comments here allege that it does while others suggest this complaint is overblown.
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AlbertCory超过 3 年前
A question that should precede any of this is: Why are you using Chrome at all?<p>Why not keep it for Google services, if you want, but use Brave &#x2F; Firefox &#x2F; anything else for all other activities?
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EnderWT超过 3 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;EaQ69" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;EaQ69</a>
howinteresting超过 3 年前
It is reasonable to assume that you won&#x27;t be tracked by <i>Google</i> when you&#x27;re incognito in Google&#x27;s browser.<p>Edit: Here&#x27;s some <i>empirical evidence</i>: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;07&#x2F;12&#x2F;private-web-browsing-not-as-private-as-you-think-research.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;07&#x2F;12&#x2F;private-web-browsing-not-as-...</a>
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goelectyourself超过 3 年前
Wow. Nearly every comment here is from someone who doesn&#x27;t see this as a problem. Suspicious. Manipulative much?<p>Incognito implies exactly that to the layman. Even with a warning about specifics. We had a sense that Google is acting in good conscious when incognito and it was the opposite, AND they have tried to hide it.<p>Google saved our incognito searches to our Google profiles. Period. They misrepresented a product they built and have earned these consequences.<p>It&#x27;s not just Chrome incognito either. Google has acted shady time and time again with unfair business practices. Like YouTube, photos, mail, and drive account lockouts with no options to recover, because &quot;we investigated our decision and we say we were correct. We&#x27;re not going to tell you what you did wrong either, and you can&#x27;t get your data back.&quot;<p>Google needs to pay for their misbehavior.
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