I just don’t want to be busy anymore

One thing that helped me is not to care so much about my employer&#x27;s goals.<p>It&#x27;s almost heretical. But once you embrace this mindset, it does wonders. Or at least, it has for me so far.<p>I think a lot of us want to be proud of the work we do, and we feel that if we slack off, then we shouldn&#x27;t be proud. But it&#x27;s the other way around. I think the slackers have it right.<p>You&#x27;re probably not going to get rich from working a day job. You&#x27;re replaceable, and if you left your job tomorrow then you&#x27;ll soon be forgotten. This is true for the majority of software engineers.<p>In that context, why do so many of us take on so many unnecessary responsibilities? It&#x27;s tempting to say &quot;Well, my employer assigned them.&quot; But how often do you tell them no, or try to present a different approach that just so happens not to involve you?<p>I know someone who is a chronic yes person. They will almost never say no, and they&#x27;re pretty stressed day to day because of it. Whenever I point out that they&#x27;re taking on too much, they say that they disagree and that it&#x27;s their career.<p>That&#x27;s true, but they won&#x27;t get rich from that career, so I don&#x27;t understand why they care so much about it.<p>Just remember to say &#x27;no&#x27; for yourself from time to time. You often don&#x27;t need to take on as many responsibilities as you have.

As a 54 year old Software Engineer, who has had a nice IT career for over 26 years, I&#x27;m spent.<p>This is coming from someone who has always had a growth mindset and had a really hard time sitting still. I used to loathe naps and felt like I was missing out if I took one. Now, I take a one hour nap almost daily and I&#x27;m finding that after 1pm I&#x27;m basically fried (I start working around 7AM).<p>I&#x27;m not sure what to do about it, if anything. If I could retire now, I would.<p>I&#x27;m trying very hard to get my earnestness about learning new things back and I&#x27;m finding that my motivation has just tanked.<p>I&#x27;m afraid this is a permanent state now.

I think it’s pretty clear we have an epidemic of burnout on our hands. I think it’s a new phenomenon. And I think immersive online experiences are the underlying cause.<p>I’ve lived much of my life for the past 30 years in virtual spaces of one form or another, from MUDs to IRC to MMORPGs to early and then fully evolved social media. As commercial virtual space showed up, I noticed the engagement hooks and potential for addiction massively increased.<p>As that happened, for my own mental health, I have distanced myself. I’ve left most social media, don’t play multi user games and have ramped up my real world social interaction.<p>If you work hard and have pressing responsibilities, spending the little free time that you have on commercial addictive online pastimes will, in my opinion, guarantee your implosion.<p>Find spaces to be in during the little free time that you have that don’t make someone else wealthy. Then take it a step further, and find things to do that are good for you.

I have a friend who once told me that they can only work for about 4 hours a day. When I challenged them that this seemed like a very priviledged position to be able to take, they insisted that it was actually true for pretty much anyone, it&#x27;s just that as a society, as an economy, as a series of employer&#x2F;employee relationships, we pretend that it&#x27;s not.<p>What they meant of course was not whether they could be &quot;at the job(site)&quot; for more than 4 hours a day, but that you could only really do actual (productive) work for 4 hours a day. The rest, so my friend claimed, is almost always filler. My friend also claimed that they believed this was true almost regardless of the type of work you did. Even people doing physical labor don&#x27;t actually &quot;work hard&quot; for much more than 4 hours - you need breaks (lots of little ones, or maybe a few long ones).<p>I still don&#x27;t know if they&#x27;re right about this. Personally, I&#x27;ve always preferred the maxim about &quot;work long, hard or smart: pick 2&quot;. Either way, I know that across society, not just in IT related fields, we do not honor these ideas about work in any meaningful way.

All good advice. I distinctly remember they day I changed. I was talking to my wife and telling her how I thought Sun should give more vacation, she pointed out that I had come back from the office at lunch time and that is was Christmas Eve which was a company holiday. So many things went &quot;Click!&quot; all at the same time.<p>From that point on I made it a priority to be home by 6PM so that we could have dinner with the family at 6:30. No more late nights, no more stressing about being the first guy to leave the office. Instead I was going to have a relationship with my kids and share in the adventures of their childhood.<p>It did affect my career, nobody who wanted to get to VP level ever went home on time AFAICT. But it gave me focus in that I <i>knew</i> I was going to roll out of the office between 5:30 and 5:45 so my deadlines were set accordingly. I did log in some evenings after the kids had gone to bed but it wasn&#x27;t the &quot;usual&quot; thing. And the wife and I spread out the vacation so that every month we had a 3 day weekend (either from holidays or by using a vacation day.) It made things <i>much</i> more tolerable.

I am absolutely terrified of clicking the “apply” button for a pre-offered internal transfer at my current company. I’m miserable, more miserable than I ever thought I could be, but if I step back I quickly realize that I have the job I always wanted and one that other people would kill for and have it on lock down to the point that I could put in 10 hours a week and still be heralded as a great leader.<p>I just don’t care about anything I work on or anyone I work with after a major release a couple months ago that bookmarked nearly everything I wanted to accomplish in this role.<p>I seriously doubt this will make me happy — more hours, less prestige, new unknowns, sunk accomplishments - but I am well past my “fuck it” point like so many others I talk to.

It&#x27;s very hard to disentangle how much of this is pressure from your workplace vs. your internalized sense of obligation about work intensity.<p>Parenthood does change a lot of things. But at the end of the day, tech isn&#x27;t slinging drinks at a bar, or fixing cars, or even like other intense white collar jobs where the stock market closing bell or potential sales target companies office hours put hard time limits on things and let you better compartmentalize your life. It&#x27;s got elements of research science, art, and construction - ideas percolate over time, experiments need to be run, and structures fail or become unsuitable and need reworking. I used to think with the right methodologies these could all be controlled and that only &quot;dysfunctional&quot; companies didn&#x27;t do so, but lately I&#x27;m concluding that the &quot;busyness&quot; of a software eng. or adjacent jobs in tech just comes with the territory. Yes, some companies are distinctly good or bad at managing the worst of it, but looking at the bigger picture, getting upper middle class salaries in a hot market for talent, to sit in a temperature controlled clean environment and use your brain to solve problems is not a bad trade off for being expected to do amazing things routinely. I think we have a pretty good tradeoff.

I say this all the time - programming as a job is not a sustainable life. The fact is that sitting in front of a computer doing mental gymnastics is not in any way something humans are able to cope with over any period of time.<p>People will say &quot;it&#x27;s just the managers&quot;, &quot;it&#x27;s because you aren&#x27;t working on interesting things&quot;, etc, but it is none of those things. I have worked on interesting projects, been my own boss, etc, and nothing changes.<p>In ancient times, you would perform physical activities that you often enjoyed to some degree, at least to the extent that they made you feel good at the end of the day and ready to rest. Most of the time, work and play were indistinguishable. Evolution makes it so that we enjoy the things we are supposed to do. Animals play hunt when they are younger (or even when they are older) because it is fun and that is how their genes make them get good at things they need to do. Their job is hunting for food, and they like doing it.<p>The further away your job is from your natural tendencies, the worse it gets. Sitting in front of a computer programming and doing other things is about as far away as you can get. Sure, we might like solving problems, etc, but not as a job 9-5 every day.<p>There are the people who say &quot;stop complaining, you sit in an air-conditioned office! You don&#x27;t have to toil away in a physical labour job&quot;, but that is just completely wrong. Sure, some physical labour jobs will mess up your body, but there is nothing healthy about sitting in air-conditioning staring at a computer. I used to work in a physical labour job when I was younger. I had to quit because they were making sure nobody would get full-time steady work. The difference in my mental and physical state going from outdoors physical (but not extreme, body breaking stuff) to office work was extremely noticeable.

One of the things which quickly overwhelms me is just all the little stuff.<p>Couple big ticket items? No problem. Long list of 5-20 minute items, or even worse, conversations of indefinite length? Exhausting.

&gt; “No way I’m burned out. Look at all the women that are actually suffering. Who am I but a privileged white chic taking up space.”<p>It’s sad that so many white people have been conditioned to think this way.

&quot;Adulthood in the modern age is just telling yourself &#x27;next week won&#x27;t be so bad&#x27;. Over and over. Until you die&quot;

One way to define &quot;busy&quot; is that your time has a high opportunity cost. You could get ahead on the project, which seems to be worth a lot. And it makes you feel bad about playing a board game with your kid or going shoe shopping with your wife. Tactically, working on the project always seems like a win.<p>But strategically, it&#x27;s not. You need to do those &quot;boring&quot; things that make up some of the best aspects of life, and help you build deeper relationships.<p>If you need to work to put food on the table, then work. Your family will feel you around because your contributions are meaningful, and you can still build great relationships. But if you are just working to get a bigger house or a new car, then it&#x27;s not really the same thing.

Can confirm. Left my job in the software industry with no plans to return. Everyone asks how my break is going and I say “fine”, but I’m retired at 40.<p>The idea of being back at work in some 9-5 or 8-6 where my brain is still trying to solve the problems of the day as I lie in bed are over. Certainly a lot of parents can sympathize with the itch of “if I can get the kids to sleep I can get a few more hours in”. No more of that. I can finally be present. I’m done competing with smart people who have no kids, and an industry that expects workaholics.

I wonder if there are any HR types monitoring this thread. If so, I wonder what they will bring back to the companies that they work for.<p>I voluntarily participate in an employment contract. I like what I do and am good at it. I could work harder but I work what I consider a “fair” amount. Many weeks that is less than 40 hours of my time but sometimes it’s more - if there is an emergency or a crunch time for a reasonable goal, esp if the goal date is not arbitrary.<p>I really don’t like the idea expressed in some threads here that “I should stop caring about my employer’s goals”. If you don’t care about their goals, then the ethical decision is to quit. They’re not asking you to compromise your principles; they’re offering to pay you in exchange for supporting their goals.<p>I think a lot of the ideas on this topic are a little bit muddled. If your employer sets unreasonable goals then you’re not doing you or them a favor by trying to meet (much less actually meeting) those goals. If they try unreasonable shit and it works then they will keep on doing unreasonable shit until it bites them, and make everyone miserable in the process.<p>But not killing myself to meet the unreasonable goal my manager agreed to is not the same as just slacking off all the time. I’m a professional and consider myself ethical and I don’t see a huge ethical difference between stealing and accepting pay for work I didn’t do.

The one thing I don&#x27;t understand is this mentality of self sacrifice that to me seems core to all this. &#x27;who am I but a privileged white chic taking up space&#x27;, to me, says all. You are never a privileged space taker. You&#x27;re all you have and there rest of the world is in a way far less important than you.

I am only 32, but I luckily (maybe cause I am slightly on the spectrum and approached things in a super logical way) found out that I only actually work 3-4 hours a day, and the rest was meetings&#x2F;lunch&#x2F;cooler chat. So I stopped caring about those extra hours, and refused to go to meetings where I wasn&#x27;t needed or didn&#x27;t need to be meetings. I made sure I did all my work in 5-6 hours daily. I am good at what I do, but I never signed up for extra, I never stayed late. Sure I am on-call, and I have had a share of 3 am pager alerts, but those are far and few between.<p>I have always had very little burnout if any. I don&#x27;t work on as many side projects lately, but I am keeping sane. I work 10-4, sometimes a little later. and I don&#x27;t feel sorry about it. I get my stuff done, I get more done than most others, maybe less than some of the all-stars, but I know I am not underperforming, and thats fine.<p>I love what I do as a programmer, I plan to do it for many years, but I will never sacrifice my work-life balance for any company. Especially with my first child on the way.<p>I think because of this, I get more done, and seem to do more than the others, when in reality, I am doing a bit less, or at least waste less time.

It&#x27;s called depression, not burnout. It&#x27;s an evolutionary response to factors in your life that lead you towards thanatos and away from eros, allowing you the super-power of obsessive negative thought and absolute joylessness (anhedonia), so you may bide your time and fight them with the abandon of one who no longer cares about their own safety. Some choose to call it a genetic disease. I like to think of it as a valid, genetic structure that happens to have some rough edges and expresses itself too readily.

&gt; At first I tried to stay in denial, flooding myself with positive affirmations in an attempt to manifest mental calmness.<p>&gt; “No way I’m burned out. Look at all the women that are actually suffering. Who am I but a privileged white chic taking up space.”<p>That&#x27;s self abuse, mentally tearing yourself down, that is not positive affirmation. Trying to take an objective stock of your context is reasonable, however comparing yourself to those less fortunate is not a positive affirmation.

My problem with the word &#x27;burnout&#x27; is that it denotes some kind of final state. I&#x27;m sure I&#x27;ve had periods of burnout but it doesn&#x27;t last more than a day or two.<p>I had a third kid 4 months ago and my company is transitioning from a small to medium-sized company. I am the tech lead&#x2F;architect on our company&#x27;s flagship software and I am constantly struggling with the skill sets of my friendly but incompetent members of my support teams.<p>We are also trying to move 14-15 customers from single-tenancy to a brand new multi-tenant platform that uses a totally new stack at the same time we are transitioning all our processes.<p>It&#x27;s INSANE.<p>PS: Writing this comment was really helpful for organizing my thoughts for the meetings I have this week. Hopefully I can communicate more effectively to leadership about what is happening. Thanks hackernews.

Not to suggest this covers everyone or fixes everything, but I think anyone who feels uncomfortable about being completely offline and unreachable outside standard hours really needs to explore that deeply.<p>I think there’s a % of people who are convinced that they must do it for job preservation. And I think a far smaller % of them are actually right.<p>I worried about this a lot. Then it got to the point of being so burned out that I was ready to quit. So I realised I had an opportunity to experiment: delete all work stuff from phone, HARD exit at 5pm (I will hang up on slack conversations), and never work outside core hours. It worked beautifully and I just feel frustrated I didn’t realize this years ago.

She sounds cool, and like she&#x27;s got her head on straight. Good on her.<p>I also reduced my availability, it is not so much career suicide as &quot;career murder&quot;. You look at your career as it is laid out before you, you say, &quot;yeah, no... no thanks&quot;. You weed it and you grow something different in it&#x27;s place.<p>In a large and healthy team, when you slow down, others who are ready and willing step up. They are going to need mentoring. If you can turn your reduced availability into a new crop of future leaders, your boss is going to thank you for the service. (Well, it also helped that I noticed what was happening and told my boss to thank me!)<p>The are lots of places along the line where my experience could have gone differently, for the worse. But it didn&#x27;t, and I hope the author is as lucky as I was.

Burnout, I feel, has more to do with how motivated and satisfied we are with our vocation, than whether or not we are “busy.”<p>As many company owners will tell you, they have no problem with a crazy busy life, because they are so motivated and fulfilled by their work.<p>For me, I was an engineering manager for 25 years. It was actually long periods of ennui, interrupted by short tornadoes of insanity and stress.<p>Frankly, I enjoyed the insanity and stress, more than the sitting around, waiting to be useful. I hated it so much, that I tasked myself with a great deal of extracurricular work; just to avoid going nuts (some would say it was not avoided successfully).<p>Nowadays, I’m basically “retired.”<p>Except I’m not. I work harder, every day (like, 7 days a week), than I did while I was getting paid.<p>I feel more relaxed than ever.

Seems many people here relate to work burnout in general. How many others like myself are burnt out from the constant learning from work? This in comparison to what you’re doing with the tools you’ve already learned. Still 5ish years into my career and get drained

I agree with a lot of this. I like my job, I don&#x27;t want to be cynically detached from it, but it IS just a job. So much of this so-called hustle culture is a product of us all internalising the values of our exploitative economic system. Left as we are increasingly alone in the marketplace, we feel the need to run faster or get left behind. It&#x27;s just a job, other things are more important unless you&#x27;re one of the very rare few who are doing mission critical work, saving lives or looking after people. Work hard enough but sensibly, keep a balance. I promise you that on your deathbed you won&#x27;t be wishing that you worked even harder.

We are too often caught up in the inertia of our life, telling ourselves lies like &#x27;the future will be better&#x27;, &#x27;just a little more&#x27;, &#x27;what are they gonna think about me if...&#x27;, &#x27;this salary raise is very important&#x27;.<p>Once you step out and remind yourself your time in this world is limited, a list of priorities will start to take shape, based on the following questions:<p>1. which cause is worth it for you to spend your effort and money?<p>2. which activities bring you pleasure and joy?<p>3. which are the reasonable sacrifices to fullfill 1 and 2?<p>There is no universal answer to those questions but everything starts with slowing down, gaining perspective and diving in

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;bJCvG" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;bJCvG</a>

I&#x27;ve been fairly lucky that for about 2&#x2F;3 of my career I&#x27;ve worked in environments that have generally been pretty laid back. Though I did do a short stint just shy of a couple months at company that had just awful culture where everything was a crisis and it was always crunch time and 12+ hour days were the expected norm. I didn&#x27;t stick around because of that(and also the job was quite different that what was discussed in the interview), and I don&#x27;t know how or why people put up with that on a normal basis. Maybe if you were the founder or a very early employee with significant equity, but not just for a salary.<p>But even with my generally laid back workload at my job, I think the culture of the tech industry does seep in a bit and I feel like I need to be doing more. So I start side projects or go learn programming languages or some new tool, which aren&#x27;t bad things in of themselves until they start to feel like an obligation and start sucking the vitality out of your life. I&#x27;ve started to keep those in check a bit better, mostly by keeping a further distance from the tech world by no longer following tech people on Twitter and drastically cutting back my time on sites like this one(I&#x27;m only here now because I finished watching a movie and it&#x27;s tad early for bed, but to close to pick back up the book I was reading).<p>I almost want to say that the solution might be do tech work outside the tech industry, but I also spent a few years at mortgage company and with some defense contractors, and those are just soul sucking in different ways. Basically my cure has been to find hobbies and interests far away from anything related to my job.

I feel this so much, baby on the way same exact sentiments

I am in my early thirties and have been a hobby developer since I was about twelve. I&#x27;ve always wanted to write code as a daily job, but that idea fades further and further as I settle into how little I actually have to do in my current position for pretty good pay.<p>The idea of &quot;legacy&quot; and the &quot;craft&quot; certainly poke at me often. I am able to develop software for myself that automate much of my job, allow me time to spend with my young family, and maintain my home. I sometimes wish I had the title, and had something I could point at and tell my son &quot;Dad helped build that,&quot; one day, as my father did when we would pass a new sub-division of homes that he helped build. However knowing how much drive it takes to stay on top of the newest stack, etc, almost makes me want to strive to stay where I&#x27;m at: 40 hours and no more, relaxed, working from home, being with family, with the same salary I would have as a mid to senior dev... life certainly isn&#x27;t always about the easy decisions.

Another day, another woman realising that the career they&#x27;ve been told to pursue isn&#x27;t what it&#x27;s cracked up to be. These are getting pretty common now.<p>&gt; And I for one, no longer want to sprint in this rat race.<p>Great, but you&#x27;ll have to downgrade your lifestyle. No more road trips around Europe [0], for example. I notice that is distinctly missing from the article. Leaving the rat race doesn&#x27;t just mean you stop running, it means you stop running in the same direction as everyone else.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;elenasalaks.medium.com&#x2F;20-tips-for-a-successful-road-trip-during-a-pandemic-4d4f5f323fda" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;elenasalaks.medium.com&#x2F;20-tips-for-a-successful-road...</a>

Eddie Murphy’s joke about relationships boiling down to the other person asking ‘well what have you done for me lately’ is pretty much the gist of many careers. I’m pretty sure I shipped some impactful stuff this year, but lately, well - what have I done for the company lately?<p>This can work in two ways. The first is you can be a victim of this and feel betrayed. The second is, you just have to realize another chance will come along where the thing you did most recently will be recognized.<p>It’s like poker hands. Don’t think you suck because you got a bunch of bad hands in a row. Don’t bet on those hands, and don’t bluff. Just wait until you are ready, because those face cards and pocket aces are coming.<p>Take it easy (and take that nap).

Ever since I got my first job over 10 years ago I&#x27;ve wondered why there is still an 8 hour work day, at least in this profession. If you&#x27;re a highly intelligent, capable person, and you&#x27;re working on something cutting edge that consumes you, and you want to sleep under your desk to get it done -- then sure, go ahead. But the vast majority of people don&#x27;t do that. So 6 hours with a lunch break included seems fine to me, maybe even too much. Just ban social media, news or whatever. Look at Youtube videos on your own time, post on HN on your own time. Come to work fresh, leave fresh, and I think people will be more productive in the long run.

&gt;1st: I figured out what I wanted and wrote them down so I’m not lost again<p>I think this is one of the hardest things to figure out in life. I think it is one of the major philosophical questions.<p>I wish I could say I knew the answer, but I am still trying to find an answer.

&quot;If I’m honest, I’ve been running on fumes for a while. But there were enough milestones along the way to keep chasing that next moment of reprieve. The vacation. The promotion. The vaccine. The remodel.... But then the fumes ran out. And a bunch of life things hit at once, and I couldn’t see any reprieve in my horizon.&quot;<p>By no means do I mean to criticize the author for writing this. I only want to encourage everyone else to take this lesson seriously. I&#x27;ve banged this drum before on HN but it can take quite a bit more banging: Take burnout seriously. Take the initial signs of burnout seriously. If you&#x27;re vaguely nervous about the possibility that you&#x27;re burning out, take it seriously.<p>Don&#x27;t shy away from it. Take this to heart: If you&#x27;re sort of starting to burn out, and you <i>acknowledge</i> it, there are steps you can take to prevent it from ever happening! There&#x27;s every reason to acknowledge it to yourself. It is ignoring it that may cause the bad outcome.<p>I can speak only for myself in that when I have sensed burnout coming on, I take time off. Sometimes with little notice, because I notice I need it. I get my projects changed. I evaluate my life goals before it&#x27;s a problem. And I&#x27;ve never really suffered a real <i>burn out</i> yet here at 42, even through some bad times.<p>While I&#x27;ve not had to do this myself, I also strongly encourage extreme self honesty. It&#x27;s sad to study for some years and then be in a career for longer only to discover it&#x27;s not the career for you, but it&#x27;s less sad that staying there. Do you want to be in the brewery business? Do you want to become a carpenter? Be honest.<p>(Though I do also offer just a bit of warning that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence; do take that into account, too.)

In my 20s &#x2F; early 30s I worked an insane amount of hours. I got a ton of skills and progressed quickly.<p>After having two kids, I’ve slowed down a lot, but I believe i can still have just as much impact. I focus my time now, I have hard conversations, I say no to the majority of the things I would have said yes to.<p>It’s definitely more challenging, but I’m able to keep up by growing in new ways, so keep your head up, you can have a life and get things done. You have to simplify, that’s the hard part.

Once you realise it’s the same old thing. Yes I could get a rust job maybe or whatever, but it’ll be sprints, managers, something not working try to logically figure out, estimates, user stories, etc. it’s just very sameish! The dope hits get less and it’s more of a nuisance to earn money. And companies tend to become more bean county with time so you need to hop to keep it reasonable and more engineering focused not kpi hoop backflips.

It&#x27;s your life; you do you. You only live once. Try to recuperate and find things that deal with your burnout slowly. Be a hands-on parent to your children if you love to. After all, you can only decide for yourself.

What is with Medium limiting these articles for logged in users but allowing us to read them in incognito mode? It&#x27;s like they want to make the experience <i>worse</i> if you are logged in.

Archived&#x2F;de-medium&#x27;d: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;bJCvG" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;bJCvG</a>

I don&#x27;t sacrifice my health or family life for money or any prideful work. Thus, I set my boundary to avoid burnout.

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;bJCvG" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;bJCvG</a>

Could someone share a non-walled link please?<p>EDIT: incognito tab works, hope it helps in case anyone is having issues.

“I make lifestyle choices that do not involve a screen outside of work hours.” This is my line for the past 13 years to apologetically explain why I do not write code in my personal time. Why do people still rely on this as an indicator of passion, or dedication, or competence?<p>It is also my line to explain why I do not have work Slack or work email on my phone.<p>Even with all these safeguards in place, I still managed to have a crazy burnout from a project. Migraines and hypertension that eventually landed me in the ER and necessitated a month away from work to recover. This taught me that working a normal 40-45 hour week is not enough. Active self-care is necessary outside of those hours.<p>Tl;dr: Working less is not enough. What we do when we don’t work also matters.

Medium is such a PITA

&gt; You&#x27;re probably not going to get rich from working a day job.<p>Does not apply to tech

I can think of a few reasons for not caring after all these decades.<p>. It&#x27;s both sad and funny to see things you helped design become obsolete, selling for mils on the dollar or end up in a recycling heap.<p>. Careers often are all about designing the same thing over and over. Even products that appear different to the user often have similar logical plumbing.<p>. Tech really does change over time and you don&#x27;t care about the new. (for example) I could give a rip about anything involving the internet but that&#x27;s where all the money flows.

I&#x27;m chasing that FIRE

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.stophavingkids.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.stophavingkids.org&#x2F;</a>