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What our research says about teen well-being and Instagram

144 点作者 DLay超过 3 年前

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krono超过 3 年前
Yes it&#x27;s not uncommon for addicts to have a generally positive disposition towards their addiction [0]. It would actually be difficult to avoid this in an engineered platform. I&#x27;m sure FB is doing their best, though.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC3163475&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC3163475&#x2F;</a>
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YorickPeterse超过 3 年前
In the early 90s there was an advertisement on Dutch TV. It was about a company&#x27;s toilet cleaning product, and during the ad some &quot;scientists&quot; said (literally translated) &quot;We from Toilet Duck recommend Toilet Duck&quot; (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nl.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Wij_van_Wc-eend_adviseren_Wc-eend" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nl.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Wij_van_Wc-eend_adviseren_Wc-e...</a>). The slogan ended up being synonymous with organizations recommending their own products.<p>This article reminds me of that. Facebook will never admit their services are harmful, as that would be in direct conflict with their business. And because of that I would treat any claim they make about how good their services are as nothing more than just bullshit.
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mbStavola超过 3 年前
Reading this, all I see is the tech equivalent of &quot;Cigarette companies find no link between smoking cigarettes and lung cancer.&quot;
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RobLach超过 3 年前
&quot;Our products increase suicidal ideation for at least 200,000 teenagers in the United States, which we believe is not bad enough to worry about considering the revenue we will generate putting advertising in front of this demographic.&quot;
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giarc超过 3 年前
&quot;The research actually demonstrated that many teens we heard from feel that using Instagram helps them when they are struggling with the kinds of hard moments and issues teenagers have always faced.&quot;<p>This is research 101. Of course kids that &quot;Instagram hears from&quot; are going to have positive reviews of the app. The is convenience sampling from your own users. Additionally, they interviewed kids 13+, do they really have the ability to identify the source of issues they are experiencing?
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woeirua超过 3 年前
If 1% of the users of your app start having suicidal thoughts as a direct result of using your app, then guess what: your app is going to be responsible for a significant number of suicides. No matter how FB spins this, it’s just disgusting. Instagram is literally killing thousands of kids a year.<p>FTA: “What the data shows: When we take a step back and look at the full data set, about 1% of the entire group of teens who took the survey said they had suicidal thoughts that they felt started on Instagram.² Of course, even one person who feels this started on Instagram is one too many. That is why we have invested so heavily in support, resources and interventions for people using our services. In addition, some of the same research cited by the Journal in the slide above shows that 38% of teenage girls who said they struggled with suicidal thoughts and self harm said Instagram made these issues better for them, and 49% said it has no impact.”
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chillage超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m concerned that WSJ cherry picked only the worst bits of information from the slides and did not give a balanced discussion or quote the more positive results. They intentionally only included the most negative results and intentionally avoided publishing the root slides so as not to show their hand that there were also mitigating stats as well. In my view this kind of cherry picking of information from the source material, then hiding the source material in order to spin the result in a specific way, is a breach of journalistic integrity.
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abemiller超过 3 年前
Great discussion here already. I want to bring attention to a bit of additional research relevant here which I found to be a good read and was conveniently not mentioned by Facebook: a 10 year, 500 participant longitudinal study on social media use and suicide in teens. Published Feb 2021.<p>link: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;link.springer.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;10.1007%2Fs10964-020-01389-6" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;link.springer.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;10.1007%2Fs10964-020-01389...</a><p>Even if we take fb word for it that the WSJ&#x27;s interpretation of data from fbs study was not generous, I would like them to respond to the critical external research too. Fbs study has 40 participants who were directly asked their opinion about the causality of using Instagram and their well-being (no chance that a harmful addiction would be coloring their perception on that!). So, let&#x27;s look at the longitudinal data also, fb.
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netfl0超过 3 年前
The post says the slide was missing context by stating it was only girls who already had body issues.<p>Numerous studies show a lot of girls have body image issues. Further, in this post they don’t even indicate what the “correct” percentage might be.<p>I don’t really get their point. What am I missing?
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kennywinker超过 3 年前
“Teens say they like using instagram” doesn’t make it not toxic.
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PostOnce超过 3 年前
&quot;More Doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.history.com&#x2F;.image&#x2F;t_share&#x2F;MTU4NDI2ODU5NTc3NTUwMTgw&#x2F;camels_doctors_whiteshirt.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.history.com&#x2F;.image&#x2F;t_share&#x2F;MTU4NDI2ODU5NTc3NTUwM...</a>
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1vuio0pswjnm7超过 3 年前
Its like Big Tobacco telling us about studies they have done on the damage caused by smoking.
TedShiller超过 3 年前
They would NEVER say that their research shows Instagram is bad for teens.
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helsinkiandrew超过 3 年前
&gt; ... more teenage girls who said they struggled with that issue also said that Instagram made those difficult times better rather than worse<p>It&#x27;s not good enough for more than 50% to feel better than worse. There are hundreds of millions of teenage girls on Instagram, even if Instagram made a tiny minority worse in difficult times than better that&#x27;s an awful lot.
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xrd超过 3 年前
I gave FB the benefit of the doubt and read through all the discussion without having any of the facts that they were asserting were incorrect, meaning that 11 out of 12 items helped teenage girls. Why not just say up front what those things were instead of forcing me to read their interpretation of them for a dozen paragraphs?<p>And, then to say almost gleefully, we are releasing the &quot;full slide&quot; to tell the &quot;full story&quot; which WSJ didn&#x27;t do. How about releasing the full slide deck? Did I miss that?<p>Honestly, it feels a lot like propaganda to me and that I&#x27;m only getting the part of the story that Facebook wants me to see. I know WSJ did that too, but let&#x27;s at least be honest that both sides are selling something. And, I&#x27;m not worried about my two daughters reading the WSJ.<p>Edit: read it again, don&#x27;t see a link to the full deck that contains the one slide in question. Why not release it in full?
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X6S1x6Okd1st超过 3 年前
My take away is that there probably isn&#x27;t much signal from this particular dataset.<p>What we want to know as a society is what is the treatment effect for IG or FB usage. This doesn&#x27;t really tell us much, self report of impression is important to FB because it&#x27;s how their users see them, but outside of that it&#x27;s pretty meh
concinds超过 3 年前
People who blame &quot;algorithms&quot; are completely besides the point.<p>Facebook&#x2F;IG make some people feel bad, because they open the website and see people having fun, people out partying, people looking more attractive, and they feel &quot;worse&quot;. You can&#x27;t blame Facebook for that! Those people will exist regardless, and the &quot;social competition&quot; will happen regardless, simply through other formats. And by blaming Facebook, you&#x27;re really blaming these &quot;happy&quot; people for making [you&#x2F;others] feel worse by comparison. You will never be better than everyone alive at everything, and comparing yourself to others will always be pathological, leading to either a superiority or inferiority complex.<p>The point people miss: it is simply impossible to have a website where a billion people post pictures of themselves, that doesn&#x27;t &quot;make people feel bad&quot;. You can argue the human brain isn&#x27;t meant for that, but it&#x27;s clearly non-pathological for the otherwhelming majority of people, except those with preexisting low self-esteem and anxieties. People with inferiority complexes &quot;externalise&quot; their feelings onto Instagram when the core problem is their inability to deal with the <i>awareness</i> of other people&#x27;s lives. Seeing a YouTube video of someone backstage at a fancy private concert would have the exact same impact.<p>Look at any social media websites without these &quot;evil&quot; algorithms: Mastodon, Gab, Parler. All equally toxic, though for very different reasons. First, you can&#x27;t moderate at 1-billion-users-scale without moderation algorithms. Second, specifically, &quot;discovery&#x2F;recommendation algorithms&quot; don&#x27;t create toxicity; the toxicity is caused by flawed, sometimes-pathological humans, and amplified not by algorithms, but by the social dynamics among these flawed humans. Fixing that requires more &quot;manipulative algorithms&quot;, not less!<p>The Facebook problem is clearly not, as millions believe, that Facebook creates toxicity from the top-down, and makes people feel bad. The core (and only) problem is <i>other people</i>. i.e.: their moderation needs to improve. Algorithms will inevitably recommend eating-disorder content based on common interests, the solution is to ban such content. Simple.<p>Same with the heavily edited IG modelling photos. Some people like that look, some people hate it. They should require disclosure when a photo is heavily edited, but the overwhelming majority of people will never feel insecure from that, maybe pity at most. Your own psychological makeup determines how you react, not any Facebook policy, and any such policy categorically <i>cannot</i> solve the core problem, which (I say this with respect and sympathy) is that a large amount of people have emotional wounds and need help.<p>People are throwing the baby with the bathwater, believing that mass-scale social media is fundamentally nefarious. It only is, for the same reason that large corporations become less innovative, or that any large social group becomes less cohesive: people&#x27;s emotional problems get amplified the more complex a social group&#x2F;organization is. Entropy sets in, and the social dynamics become too complex; conflict increases. The core problem, that everyone misses, is that <i>this cannot be addressed by the organization</i>, at best mitigated. The root cause is in individuals. Society is blaming Facebook for its own defects, at great cost to its worst-off members.
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Sebb767超过 3 年前
I wonder how much problems Instagram creates and how much it just tunnels. Mobbing has always been a problem and kids can be truly cruel; if Instagram is the platform kids use to talk and brag, it simply becomes the (literal) messenger.<p>That&#x27;s not to defend FB&#x2F;IG or to say that this study does not have glaring conflicts (in fact, it&#x27;s shocking how bad it is despite the polish it surely got), but squashing IG might not make all of that go away.
annadane超过 3 年前
Current controversy aside can Instagram please be less like Facebook in its quest to dominate everything under the sun and give people back their chronological timeline (I can maybe understand this with Facebook, because they have to put ads in the feed) and also not require people to log in to view <i>public photos</i>?
go13超过 3 年前
While I don&#x27;t doubt Instagram can derail young girl&#x27;s emotional reward system and skrew hew life long term, I believe IG derails young boys feeling of their position in the world and make them feel miserable.<p>Corporate world and media freak out when hearing even a hint that men can have their problems too.
pizza超过 3 年前
Surprising they decided to include those bar charts because don&#x27;t they suggest that not only is social media bad for 22% of teen girl&#x27;s body image, but that it&#x27;s even <i>worse</i> for loneliness and sadness and social comparison and fomo! For some things, more than 50% of respondents said worse. That, paired with the title (which comes off as a bit sardonic, over text) &quot;But, we make body issues worse for 1 in 3 teen girls&quot;, as if FB is pointing to some slight positive sentiments as counterbalancing the negative things.<p>edit: ah I might be misreading this; apparently it&#x27;s a measure of e.g. of the people who felt sadness to begin with, IG made it more&#x2F;less&#x2F;no different.
blackoil超过 3 年前
Facebook&#x2F;Instagram launched across geography at different times. Is there any study of launch&#x2F;popularity of FB and suicide&#x2F;attempt rate in the geography?
paunthony超过 3 年前
They will probably never say that their products are harming teens. Some factors are not presented in their data visualization.
wly_cdgr超过 3 年前
Really reassuring to see every party to the dispute displaying so much integrity and good faith
PerkinWarwick超过 3 年前
&#x27;What our research says about gambler well-being and slot machines&#x27;<p>from your friends at Bally.
bsder超过 3 年前
How about the fact that Facebook is doing psychological research on people with no oversight?<p>This ... is ... evil. Doubly so when children are involved.<p>This is the core problem with the social networks that promote &quot;engagement&quot;. They are carrying out psychological research with no oversight whatsoever.<p>See: Stanford Prison Experiment for the kind of problems this creates.
ramoz超过 3 年前
Theyre not well, I have millennial friends still making bizarre posts; as someone not on social media &#x2F; will get a wind of a post here and there.<p>The captions, the poses. Just doesn&#x27;t seem normal.
dustinmoris超过 3 年前
Facebook having to write a whole blog post on trying to convince us that Facebook and Instagram are not harmful to the mental wellbeing of teens is proof that they are immensely harmful.<p>Delete Facebook.<p>Case closed.
Pmop超过 3 年前
I quit FB after they admitted they intentionally manipulated user&#x27;s emotions for research purposes (how convenient).
jijji超过 3 年前
the fact that facebook even employs a person with the job title &quot;Global Head of Safety&quot; is telling. Sounds like they have a lot of unsafe stuff going on.
DSingularity超过 3 年前
Sad, these people have no morality. Teen suicide rates have been on the uptick since the introduction of FB and has only accelerated.<p>One day we will look down on all the programmers who built these applications.
pope_meat超过 3 年前
After a thorough investigation in to ourselves, we found ourselves to be the bees knees, now return to the feed, and feed on all these positive stories [1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thewrap.com&#x2F;facebook-is-using-news-feed-to-promote-favorable-stories-about-itself-nyt-reports&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thewrap.com&#x2F;facebook-is-using-news-feed-to-promo...</a>
cduzz超过 3 年前
How is it that nobody&#x27;s noticed that facebook (and google)&#x27;s motto is basically:<p>&quot;To Serve Man&quot;<p>Spoiler alert -- it&#x27;s a cookbook.
da39a3ee超过 3 年前
&gt; What the data shows: What the study also said was<p>Giving yourself the prompt &quot;What the data shows&quot; and then, instead of discussing whether or not it shows the thing, discussing the fact that it also shows another thing, is a classic tactic of two categories of people: obfuscators, and those who can&#x27;t converse logically.
risedotmoe超过 3 年前
While I agree that Facebook is lying, how come we want to hold Facebook accountable when it’s the parents who are being negligent? Giving your children privacy is important but that doesn’t mean you have to let them use social media or have no idea who they’re talking to. Talk to any kid on the internet today and they will tell you they encounter pedophiles, groomers, psychological torture, and bullying. Talk to the schools and they tell you all their issues (fights, bullying) arise from Facebook. You can control what apps your children use, technology is getting easier than ever and if you can afford their iphone, you can afford robust parental controls or at least time out of your day.
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westoque超过 3 年前
&gt; ² According to the raw unweighted data, we surveyed 1,296 teens in the US and 1,309 teens in the UK and asked them if they experienced a range of feelings or experiences in the past month ... then asked if the feeling started on Instagram<p>I&#x27;m not a statistician but isn&#x27;t 1,296 (US teens) + 1,309 (UK teens) such a small sample size to make these conclusions with?<p>A quick Google shows:<p>&gt; In 2019, approximately 21.05 million young people between the ages from 15 to 19 lived in the United States.<p>Source: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.statista.com&#x2F;statistics&#x2F;221852&#x2F;number-of-youth-and-young-adult-population-in-the-us&#x2F;#:~:text=In%202019%2C%20approximately%2021.05%20million,lived%20in%20the%20United%20States" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.statista.com&#x2F;statistics&#x2F;221852&#x2F;number-of-youth-a...</a>.<p>EDIT: Added link to US teen numbers.<p>EDIT 2: Thanks for the replies and further reading it&#x27;s more about confidence and margin of error.
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