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If we prefer trad architecture by a large margin, why did we stop making it?

15 点作者 malchow超过 3 年前

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derbOac超过 3 年前
The premise of this article is a bit disingenuous or naive or something. Minimalism as a design aesthetic goes back a long time in different settings; if you&#x27;re familiar with the history of Chinese ceramics you&#x27;ll be familiar with this. Over the centuries tastes swung from more minimalist designs to more baroque ones. Both have appeal and there&#x27;s no reason to assume, as the piece does, that there&#x27;s something odd about minimalist aesthetics. Shaker design is similar, etc.<p>The other thing to recognize is that there&#x27;s a certain skill in minimalism too. Baroque designs make it much easier to hide flaws in craftmanship, and it takes a certain advanced skillset to hide structural features that are needed. To take a hypothetical example, if you&#x27;re building wood furniture, it&#x27;s much more difficult (or at least as difficult) to make a strong joint that&#x27;s hidden and seamless, than to screw it together with an exposed screw, or to hide the screw with a decorative feature. If you mess something up architecturally, it&#x27;s extremely difficult to hide it on a smooth surface with no texture. When you don&#x27;t have any trim, everything has to be perfect. I&#x27;m sure the same applies to clothing and all sorts of things.<p>Even if none of this were true I think it&#x27;s fairly simple: a large proportion of people liking something because it&#x27;s traditional is actually a reason to abandon it among the [self-perceived if nothing else] cutting-edge. It&#x27;s old-fashioned, out of touch, etc. It will come again but in different forms.<p>Finally, I really don&#x27;t think traditional stuff isn&#x27;t made anymore. It&#x27;s just appearing in different places. There&#x27;s plenty of &quot;transitional&quot; traditional homes out there, they just don&#x27;t appear in architectural magazines or even large newspapers because no one wants to highlight them unless they&#x27;re neo-something-interesting.<p>The piece raises questions I&#x27;ve sort of wondered about sometimes but overall it seems to be driven by a set of assumptions that aren&#x27;t necessarily warranted. It comes across to me as trying to justify their own preferences really.
ephbit超过 3 年前
Scott just dismisses the cost&#x2F;money reason. I am certain though, that money and availability&#x2F;pervasiveness of modern building techniques&#x2F;materials (non-availability of old techniques&#x2F;materials) are the key reasons, why such old style buildings are rarely built. Cost and more generally the effort of planning&#x2F;designing something that doesn&#x27;t fit the current material&#x2F;technique mainstream is just disincentive across all layers of the process.<p>Take this [1] example of an old industrial building. I like it and think it&#x27;s inherently more beautiful than for example the Google headquarter that Scott used as the first example image of his post.<p>Now let me ask: does anybody think that planning&#x2F;constructing this building today (bricks &amp; mortar) would be less expensive than throwing another boring concrete&#x2F;glass&#x2F;metal cube with plain walls and no structure into the landscape? I very much doubt it.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pixeldrain.com&#x2F;l&#x2F;seH4qNcj" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pixeldrain.com&#x2F;l&#x2F;seH4qNcj</a>
atom_arranger超过 3 年前
I think part of it is because the classical styles have become easier to mass produce.<p>An ornate dress or complex molding can be churned out at a rapid pace these days, and knowing that cheapens the effect of it.<p>Due to automation complex construction and details are cheap, what is expensive is precision and high quality materials.<p>I guess some of it is also that we can’t even bring ourselves to do things how they really used to be done. We easily produce cheap imitations but won’t create the real thing.<p>300 hand sculpted marble statues lining a hall, compared to 300 computer generated 3D printed “sculptures” lining a hall. The idea is similar but the second one likely won’t have the same quality or impact.
PaulHoule超过 3 年前
The trend of postmodern architecture is that you build something simple and then you decorate that.<p>Contrast that to a &quot;modern&quot; international style skyscraper where the building itself is on display.<p>Many old buildings were built in the &quot;post&quot; style, consider Versailles where the structure is ordinary but elaborately decorated inside and out.
m0llusk超过 3 年前
Arguably this is just the age old conflict between Classicism which advocates for traditional forms and Romanticism which is all about emotive feeling and embrace of conflicting extremes.
Nasrudith超过 3 年前
The &quot;signaling taste&quot; aspect I thought was a matter of old money in decline and declaring the grapes sour.<p>One aspect I see as actually driving it is who signs the check and makes the choices. Modernist memes are more influential among them. Also an aspect of ego is in play - they want their new building to stand out as unique instead of just blending in with all of the tasteful traditional architecture.<p>In contrast re: check signng McMansions make architecture majors cry with their mixture of features sold well (initially at least, their resale value suffered from shoddy workmanship). They commonly complain about garages and what they do to visual balance. Side or detatched garages are preferred aesthetically but are also a large inconvenience.
jjk166超过 3 年前
A theory not postulated: when people are complaining about works in the modern aesthetic, are they saying they actually don&#x27;t like the aesthetic, or they don&#x27;t like the particular examples they regularly come in contact with?<p>Let&#x27;s say a genuinely creative architect is tasked with building a library in a city along a river. He goes to great length creating a design that incorporates the nature of the location and makes an iconic landmark for the city, a new beloved classic. All the surrounding cities want libraries that look like that one which was so good. But these other cities have different geographies, copy and pasting the building ruins what made it appealing in the first place. You can pick up on some aesthetic notes, but without doing the hard work that was done for the original, you still wind up getting a much more generic and commoditized copy. For the vast majority of people, its these cheap imitations they will deal with day in and day out. They compare these new works to the older buildings which were truly designed with their cities in mind, and find the generic buildings lacking. They might note that the original looks good, but even a broken clock is right twice a day, and likewise just because someone used the style well once doesn&#x27;t make it good.<p>You see this in many cases. Someone in a well tailored suit selected to match their figure looks great; but they are drops in an ocean of people wearing suits in standard sizes with maybe $10 of alteration work. There are loads of beautiful modern and abstract works of art; but they are typically lost in a sea of far more mediocre works and there is no real way to classify which is which without looking at them for yourself.<p>And note that the same principle would hold even if the current modern aesthetic embraced something other than minimalism. The Taj Mahal may be a beautiful work, but if a building of roughly the same style were common in every city, each made by the lowest bidder with little concern for the quality of the final product, you&#x27;d probably find the style extremely unappealing.<p>However our modern society has internalized normalcy. It is incredibly uncomfortable to stand out. Because a few people look good in well tailored suits, everyone in the office must wear a suit, or face the embarrassment of being a non-conformer. Or on a different coast, perhaps it is the one person who can really rock the suit who must nevertheless forego it to blend in with a field of t-shirts and cargo shorts. Being creative and individualistic means wearing a strange color pair of socks with the otherwise standard outfit - everything is unique, but in a standard framework where very little is original. Minimalism is thus a sensible choice - adding anything adds uniqueness but none of that uniqueness is integral.