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Dopamine, Smartphones and You: A battle for your time

270 点作者 dsnr超过 3 年前

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TeMPOraL超过 3 年前
Interesting that these topics always focus on <i>smartphones</i> or <i>the Internet</i>. It&#x27;s as if we talked about smoking in terms of &quot;lighters are causing addiction&quot;, or &quot;holding cylindrical objects in your hands is addictive&quot;. Or, about alcohol, in terms of &quot;ingesting beverages is a social problem&quot;.<p>It&#x27;s not the Internet itself that is the problem. It&#x27;s not the devices - even extremely convenient ones, like always-connected smartphones. There are particular types of services that are problematic, provided by concrete companies, who optimize their addictive and distracting potential <i>on purpose</i>, advertise them heavily, and make money off the problems they cause. These are well-thought <i>business decisions</i>, made by well-known people. And yet, as a society, we shrink away from talking about them, preferring instead to put blame on incidental topics: the Internet, the smartphones, the engineers building the hardware and software[0].<p>I wish for a day when we collectively wake up and focus on the actual root cause, when we come to the conclusion that some business models just shouldn&#x27;t exist. We&#x27;ve done it in the past, and because of that we[1] enjoy physically safe food, toys, medicine, appliances. But either we&#x27;ve lost our way in the last decades, defaulting to an asinine view that &quot;all is fine as long as there is demand&quot;, or the process of understanding and mitigating threats to society takes too damn long. Maybe it&#x27;s the latter - but that&#x27;s not good, because the kind of abuse we throw at each other is following the economic and technological growth curves.<p>--<p>[0] - Or, a related favorite of mine, &quot;the AI&quot;. As if wild machine learning algorithms frolicked in the forest, and occasionally came out of the woods on their own, to take over some business or governmental decision process. No human making a self-serving decision to involve an unsuitable ML model in a system it doesn&#x27;t belong in was ever involved.<p>[1] - People in wealthier countries, at least.
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Levitz超过 3 年前
More and more I feel that the real damage is not done to time, but to attention.<p>It is fairly simple to reorganize your time, it does take willpower but once you do it that&#x27;s all your time back to you.<p>On the other hand it requires actual effort and practice to be conscious and present in the task at hand after getting used to mindless entertainment, it requires a process to gradually take it back. I worry about the upcoming generations that deal with this in their growing stages.
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kashyapc超过 3 年前
On understanding dopamine, FWIW, I recommend two excellent resources: one is Robert Sapolsky&#x27;s 720-page tome, <i>Behave</i>—he gives a robust intro to dopamine in the second chapter, &quot;One Second Before&quot;, and expands on it further in the book.<p>The other is prof. Andrew Huberman&#x27;s podcast. He recently did a 2-hour episode[1] on dopamine. The segment on smartphones and how they alter our dopamine circuits starts at 01:15:28[2]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hubermanlab.com&#x2F;controlling-your-dopamine-for-motivation-focus-and-satisfaction&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hubermanlab.com&#x2F;controlling-your-dopamine-for-motiva...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=QmOF0crdyRU&amp;t=4528s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=QmOF0crdyRU&amp;t=4528s</a>
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i_am_proteus超过 3 年前
I am always curious to read an exposé of the (hypothesized) neural mechanisms at work here.<p>This is principally because the medium (it is some combination of the personal computer and the smart telephone) is not strictly <i>new</i> in its ability to engage the user. Industrial citizens spent a great deal of their time viewing television prior to the internet era, what is new is the rapid feedback those seeking to engage their audiences have. The A&#x2F;B test, use of user data, et cetera, these are all mechanisms by which the software developer increases the attention-commanding power of his software.<p>But of course, the software developer is not typically interested in or aware of the psychology (a complicated field) and is instead focused on outcomes. In reality, the software developer is conducting large scale psychological experiments on how to best entrance the user, but the language used for this process is more of business and technique than it is strictly of science.
nobody0超过 3 年前
“The king is surrounded by persons whose only thought is to divert the king, and to prevent his thinking of self. For he is unhappy, king though he be, if he think of himself.<p>This is all that men have been able to make themselves happy. And those who philosophize on the matter, and who think men unreasonable for spending a whole day in chasing a hare which they would not have bought, scarce know our nature. The hare in itself would not screen us from the sight of death and calamities; but the chase which turns away our attention from these, does screen us.” (Pensees, Blaise Pascal)
tharne超过 3 年前
These articles always fall short at the end by suggesting we be more mindful when it comes to how we use smartphones. It&#x27;s about as easy to use a smartphone in moderation as it is to do heroin in moderation. There are trillion dollar companies and some of the world&#x27;s best engineers working as hard as they can to boot your &quot;engagement&quot; and keep you hooked. Good luck fighting that as a one-man army.<p>Just get rid of the smartphone. You really don&#x27;t need it. On balance, it&#x27;s probably not making your life better. We tend to focus on the few benefits and ignore the all-in costs. I tossed my smartphone a while back and was expecting disaster. It never came, other than a few mild inconveniences. If you absolutely need to, get a cheap android just for work that gets shut off and put in a drawer at the end of the day.<p>The most pernicious thing about the smartphone is that we&#x27;ve convinced ourselves that it&#x27;s 100% impossible to live a happy and productive life without it.
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marban超过 3 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hubermanlab.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hubermanlab.com</a> has lots of episodes on dopamine — Highly recommended podcast.
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j7ake超过 3 年前
This feels analogous to Coca Cola framing their plans as a “battle for your stomach”.
Darmody超过 3 年前
This morning on my way to work I was listening to a podcast talk talked about dopamine &quot;fasting&quot;.<p>Recommended if you&#x27;re interested in knowing s bit more.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;es.player.fm&#x2F;1BKMFGF" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;es.player.fm&#x2F;1BKMFGF</a>
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calebm超过 3 年前
I had noticed myself using Facebook too often, and recently deleted the app from my mobile phone (and am not signed into FB via my mobile browser). And I&#x27;ve been surprised how much less I check into Facebook when my only way to check it is on my laptop.
qq4超过 3 年前
About the only thing I find addicting on my phone is checking the weather everyday. My working hypothesis is that many people want to waste (or spend, call it what you want) their time on their devices, so they install applications that will help them do so.
FooBarBizBazz超过 3 年前
All right, that&#x27;s it: No more commenting on Hacker News.
FearlessNebula超过 3 年前
I felt pathetic while reading this article. I stopped after every paragraph to switch to Reddit and refresh my notifications. Great article and discussion
polskibus超过 3 年前
please add [2018] to title
superkuh超过 3 年前
Hearing ignorant computer science people talking about &quot;dopamine&quot; is just as bad as hearing people call their computer monitor their PC. It&#x27;s wrong and it leads to bad conclusions.<p>&gt; smartphones and the social media platforms they support are turning us into bona fide addicts. While it’s easy to dismiss this claim as hyperbole, platforms like Facebook, Snapchat, and Instagram leverage the very same neural circuitry used by slot machines and cocaine to keep us using their products as much as possible.<p>This <i>is</i> hyperbole and it&#x27;s not wrong at the same time. You know what else uses the very same neural circuitry as used by slot machines and cocaine? Reading a boook. Talking a walk. Petting your dog. Existing.<p>Dopaminergic populations of cells existing in a dozen different functional populations among the brain and project nearly everywhere. And if they&#x27;re trying to claim that reward prediction circuitry is &#x27;hijacked&#x27; they&#x27;re going to need to show some evidence. Cocaine <i>hijacks</i> the brains reward prediction circuitry by directly acting on the dopamine re-uptake proteins. There is nothing intrinsically addicting or anything at all that can &quot;hijack&quot; the reward prediction circuitry in a smartphone screen. It is simply another stimuli filtered through your normal senses going the normal routes. It is <i>NOT</i> hijacking anything.<p>Tech bros need to stop talking about neuroscience like they understand it. For the most part, they don&#x27;t and it leads to embarassing and dangerous claims like this article makes.
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