Dutch forensic lab says it has decoded Tesla's driving data

Frankly I feel that for this kind of investication (car crashes and accidents) the manufacturer should be required to hand over all data relevant to the investigation. On device logs are probably the most relevant data you could get in these cases.<p>That this lab decided to try to decipher the data, and found troves of it that wasn&#x27;t known to exist before, speaks to how the relationship must be.<p>They didn&#x27;t trust Tesla to hand everything over.<p>In my humble opinion, any region should force all manufacturer of cars that will be sold in that region to hand over data (or methods by extracting the data) in cases like these, lest their license to sell their product be rescinded.

I just read some Dutch news sources to get some more context.<p>Some things to know:<p>Tesla hands over all requested data in case of an investigation. But only the requested data. Because we now know what data is stored more data can and will be requested in the future.<p>The crash was caused by the driver because he thought lane assistance was turned on but only adaptive cruise control was turned on. This caused the vehicle to move to another lane.<p>So the question about this accident is: how obvious is it for the driver what is going on and what assistance to expect.

I wish there were more information about how they were able to &quot;decrypt&quot; the data. I put that in quotes because often times journalists or laypeople don&#x27;t differentiate between a file format that is just compressed or obfuscated in some way, and true encryption.<p>After all, it would be trivial for Tesla to provide essentially unbreakable encryption: just encode all the stored data with a public key where only Tesla has the corresponding private key. But if NFI was able to decrypt, they obviously don&#x27;t do that, so I&#x27;m curious what manner of &quot;encryption&quot; is used in the car.

I’m assuming Tesla don’t give you the source code to their cars. Does anyone? I’d love to have a car that can be taken apart and put back together — the engine and the UI. Not because <i>I</i> have the skill or shop needed to do maintenance, but because at least I stand a chance of paying someone else to.<p>Right now it feels like I’m dealing with a bunch of pirates. I either pay $800 to hack an HDMI cable into my Audi’s virtual cockpit just so I can use a map that’s not 6 years out of date, or $500 to the dealership to install the latest map update pack. Argh!

&gt; The NFI said the decrypted data showed Tesla vehicles store information about the operation of its driver assistance system, known as Autopilot. The vehicles also record speed, accelerator pedal position, steering wheel angle and brake usage<p>Aren’t these the same things twitter.com&#x2F;greentheonly publishes very often?<p>Example: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;greentheonly&#x2F;status&#x2F;1431094320296235008" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;greentheonly&#x2F;status&#x2F;1431094320296235008</a>

A lot of questions about responsibility come from this case.<p>If autopilot was following the car too close would the driver be responsible for not taking action? How much trust is a driver allowed to put in autopilot?<p>I also wonder how much data other cars collect. As far as I know most cars collect a lot of data you don&#x27;t know about.

What if not all sensor data is accurate or reliable? For example their new cars have no radar and therefore the distance is just an assumption of the AI model and can be wrong. It would be pretty bad to rely on unreliable data for the justice system. If they want to use all data I assume some form of interpretation should be done by the Tesla to avoid false positives or false negatives. Especially in crashes where FSD was driving.

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Question for Tesla owners: is it possible to opt out of such telemetry? I like the cars but find the idea of being closely tracked and monitored very creepy.

Ouch, so much for the argument that self-driving is safer if the car was tail-gating another car and didn’t have the reaction speed to brake.

no DMCA in Netherlands?