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Banks, gangsters and the strange resurgence of cash

159 点作者 saganus超过 3 年前

24 条评论

rsj_hn超过 3 年前
There is a lot of rumor and speculation about very benign things.<p>1. Precautionary savings. In a low interest rate environment, there is not the same penalty for holding cash as getting interest in a savings account. A lot of people find it prudent to have a buffer of cash, say enough to cover 1 month of expenses. So cash withdrawn from an ATM but put into a piggybank or under the mattress will appear here as &quot;missing&quot;. If you want to change the situation, then raise interest rates and increase law and order.<p>2. Crime. Sure, crime is conducted in cash, and a lot of that money is funneled to Latin America. This is a known thing -- it&#x27;s more seignorage income for the Fed unless the cash comes back into the economy, but much of it never will as several economies are dollarized. I don&#x27;t think there has been a material increase in organized crime, so I would think household precautionary savings is the reason.<p>3. Let&#x27;s get some perspective. $50 Billion in cash is basically nothing. It&#x27;s like 2% of currency in circulation. So this whole article is complaining that 2% of currency is not circulating. Well, OK. Must be a slow day over at the Economist.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fred.stlouisfed.org&#x2F;series&#x2F;WCURCIR" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fred.stlouisfed.org&#x2F;series&#x2F;WCURCIR</a>
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badrabbit超过 3 年前
All noncash methods of payment have strings attached where consumers and merchants alike are subject to various controls and costs. Cash is simple, exchange something in your posession for goods and services. It cannot be used as a means of identity based regulation or to audit who is buying what from whom. I mean, bitcoin exists because of how unacceptable this is to everyone but the middlemen, bureaucrats and purse clutchers. It seems a bit obvious but I wanted to stress on this point that a cash resurgence could just mean market participants wanting more liberty.
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anm89超过 3 年前
I remember reading a while back that at some point at the beginning of our time in Afghanistan, at some point we shipped multiple pallets of bundled $100 dollar bills and we had no idea where any of it went<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2007&#x2F;feb&#x2F;08&#x2F;usa.iraq1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2007&#x2F;feb&#x2F;08&#x2F;usa.iraq1</a>
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h2odragon超过 3 年前
They are circulating in places beyond the borders, I assume. We let North Korea print their own$100 bills for years as a form of off the books aid, but once that stopped the underworld needed <i>someone</i> to provide the currency.<p>Remember the pallets of cash being sent to Iraq?
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dustintrex超过 3 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.md&#x2F;2021.10.20-145649&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;1843&#x2F;2021&#x2F;10&#x2F;18&#x2F;billions-of-banknotes-are-missing-why-does-nobody-care" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.md&#x2F;2021.10.20-145649&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.c...</a>
walterbell超过 3 年前
This month, G7 finance ministers released a policy paper on Central Bank Digital Currencies, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gov.uk&#x2F;government&#x2F;publications&#x2F;g7-public-policy-principles-for-retail-central-bank-digital-currencies-and-g7-finance-ministers-and-central-bank-governors-statement-on-central-bank" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gov.uk&#x2F;government&#x2F;publications&#x2F;g7-public-policy-...</a><p><i>&gt; When designing CBDCs, public authorities should look to build in ways of countering fraud and other forms of illicit finance by looking to incorporate advancements in technology and&#x2F;or innovative solutions that may improve the authentication and verification of transactions.<p>&gt; Public authorities’ powers and use of data in any CBDC ecosystem to counter their use for illicit finance should be set out transparently in national legislative frameworks (see Principle 2) and those powers should not be used for other purposes.</i><p>We can expect bank lobbying in G7 countries for new legal kill-switch, data harvesting and analytics powers to &quot;authenticate and verify&quot; EVERY transaction that uses a national CBDC. Since CBDCs are scheduled for deployment by 2025, the pre-requisite national legislation would be needed by 2023.
dade_超过 3 年前
People that live in countries with unstable or collapsed currencies use USD (I assume the same of Euros and GBP) as well. Everyone in Cuba wants USD now for example. It isn’t for money laundering or terrorism, it is for toothpaste and clothing. I imagine Euros are popular in Turkey these days.
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mikewarot超过 3 年前
Supply chains are disrupted everywhere, wouldn&#x27;t it be a quite reasonable precaution to have a large amount of cash on hand, like having a months worth of toilet paper, just in case? Running out of either is not fun.<p>I also have 1 <i>real</i> US dollar that I keep in my wallet as a reminder, it was minted in New Orleans in 1901, it&#x27;s 120 years old, and can&#x27;t be inflated away like Johnson sandwiches or paper money.
satellite2超过 3 年前
&gt; This seemingly counterintuitive paradox can be explained by demand for banknotes as a store of value in the euro area coupled with demand for euro banknotes outside the euro area,” the ECB’s analysis concluded. Strip away the jargon and it’s just another way of saying that people want banknotes because people want banknotes.<p>I think they missed the point massively in this article, the ECB comment is pretty self explanatory.<p>What they mean here is that other central banks (Japan and China for instance) and autocrats (and not gangsters at least not significantly) prefer keeping their foreign currency in cash despite the extra costs because western countries have the annoying habit to lock foreign electronic funds on a whim.
stanski超过 3 年前
I guess we live in a time when cash is now a scary thing. This is kind of funny... And makes me feel old.
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galaxyLogic超过 3 年前
There is the interesting history of Mansa Musa whose lavish spending of gold caused a recession. So it&#x27;s not like gold is an absolutely safe asset either. It&#x27;s possible we will find much more gold in Earth&#x27;s mantle or on some asteroids. Then what?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Mansa_Musa#Islam_and_pilgrimage_to_Mecca" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Mansa_Musa#Islam_and_pilgrimag...</a>
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paxys超过 3 年前
I don&#x27;t know why the article frames it as some crazy big mystery and tries to come up with different hypotheses for it throughout. The answer is clear from the very first example they start with, and explained further towards the end – the cash is circulating in the grey&#x2F;black market economy and across international borders. Demand for cash is rising because this economy is growing at a similar rate to the regular one.<p>As for the &quot;why does nobody care part&quot;, the possible explanation is unconvincing. Yes central banks enjoy the power of being the sole issuer of currency, but the few cents per note they get to keep is hardly where their real interests lie.
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Waterluvian超过 3 年前
I have like $200 cash just sitting in my room for years in case I need it for something that doesn’t take debit or credit like a carnival trip (I haven’t carried cash, ever, in years).<p>I wonder how many others do the same? It adds up I imagine.
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justshowpost超过 3 年前
Nothing is strange here. Interest rates are dull and Sleepy Joe is about to spy on everything over $599, so money are much safe in the wall safe. That is, not every American can afford offshore banking services.
bouncycastle超过 3 年前
I like to use cash for the privacy.<p>If you are concerned about giving your data to Facebook, then you should also be concerned about giving your data to the banks. I&#x27;d argue that the banks have more important information on you, and you never known who they share it with
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Loranubi超过 3 年前
Billions of new banknotes are printed every day. Why does nobody care?
MomoXenosaga超过 3 年前
Amusing most people I know only use cash for drug dealers. Even my mom stopped using cash when the pandemic hit. But I am located in a stable country so mileage may vary.
davidgerard超过 3 年前
J. P. Koning noticed this a year ago - he blames crooks having a hard time laundering money in pandemic lockdowns. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jpkoning.blogspot.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;07&#x2F;how-pandemic-has-clogged-global-economy.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jpkoning.blogspot.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;07&#x2F;how-pandemic-has-clogg...</a>
StanislavPetrov超过 3 年前
I find it strange that people trust the banks with their money, given their history and their behavior.
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silexia超过 3 年前
Wells Fargo recently charged me $12 to deposit $9,000 cash. I have more cash, but why would I deposit it if they take it? I can use it to get discounts from service companies instead.
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malwarebytess超过 3 年前
What if it&#x27;s simpler than that.<p>People still use cash, but most of the &quot;money&quot; is tied up in finance&#x27;s parasitism. So while the amount of e-cash has skyrocketed, cash is still circulating and in high use&#x2F;demand among the people. I know that for facebook marketplace&#x2F;craiglist I exclusively use cash... when I buy something from my neighbors or go to a non-chain market I go out of my way to use cash since it saves on transaction fees (and taxes, lol.)<p>I buy and restore classic cars as a hobby and I always buy&#x2F;sell them in cash if I can.
DeathArrow超过 3 年前
Any link without the paywall?
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gremloni超过 3 年前
Cash is king. Totally anonymous, easy to carry and works when there’s no power grid. Long live cash.
nivenkos超过 3 年前
I hope to see the day we ban cash. Here in Sweden, it&#x27;s almost there.<p>It&#x27;s pretty much only used by tax dodgers and criminals here now.
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