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System76 Reportedly Developing Their Own Rust-Written Desktop

223 点作者 sdht0超过 3 年前

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bubblethink超过 3 年前
This is excellent news for the simple reason that the business goals are aligned for desktop linux. Nobody makes money on desktop linux and it's in a terrible state. Canonical gave up on this and is chasing snaps for servers, IoT, etc. RH also makes money only on servers. Other players are too small and won't have consistent revenue to invest any resources. If S76 becomes a successful h/w vendor, at least it is in their interest to make desktop suck less.
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jeroenhd超过 3 年前
Does the Linux ecosystem really need yet another desktop environment? I get that sometimes a group of volunteers and enthusiasts get together to start such a project, but how does it make sense for a business like System76 to write their own instead of forking a different DE with decent support already?<p>There are so many desktop environments already, all causing grief for anyone trying to switch to Linux with their own stupid choices and incompatibilities. It&#x27;s probably too early to say anything about System76&#x27;s project, but I fear it&#x27;ll only complicate Linux adoption more, hurting their own sales in the long term.
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paulgb超过 3 年前
As far as I can tell, this is the extent of what’s been discussed in public (mmstick is a System76 engineer)<p>&gt; mmstick: It will be its own desktop.<p>&gt; SevenSidedSube: Will the DE be forked from GNOME?<p>&gt; mmstick: No it is its own thing written in Rust.<p>If nothing else, it’s encouraging to see a large GUI project in Rust as it will surely lift the (nascent) state of the art there in that area. In the best case, maybe this will get me back on Linux for the desktop.
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schaefer超过 3 年前
This is news to me, but not surprising. After all, Jeremy Soller (A.K.A Jackpot51), is both a system 76 engineer and a long time contributor to Redox OS. Redox is a rust native OS[1].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.redox-os.org&#x2F;screens&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.redox-os.org&#x2F;screens&#x2F;</a>
fsflover超过 3 年前
Discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29131594" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29131594</a>.<p>Pop _OS to use it own desktop environment, written in Rust (reddit.com)<p>158 points by tuananh 18 hours ago | 128 comments
smallerfish超过 3 年前
I quite like PopOS and also their extension on top of Gnome Shell. I can get that Gnome is frustrating to work with. I&#x27;d love to know why they discounted switching KDE. NIH? Outdated biases around the QT license? Or something about the codebase that doesn&#x27;t fit core objectives?
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GhettoComputers超过 3 年前
I think people are correctly stating that desktop Linux problems are not correctly addressed, and their own desktop environment is unlikely to make a positive difference. Its essentially a hobby rust project of a tech company, no different than something like project ARA in google except its in software. System76 made it easier for some users to use with simple QOL features like by bundling the nvidia driver, and some addons for gnome, but their hardware is nothing special (Clevo OEM with 1080p screens, their laptop doesn&#x27;t seem to have good aftermarket or even the option to replace the keyboard, the battery is internal only, the aftermarket for repair is going to be very expensive), not priced competitively, Windows default hardware like the Thinkpad I use don&#x27;t lack any compatibility and I never had an issue with any Intel computers in the last decade. A business class laptop with a good aftermarket from OEMs such as the Thinkpad, Elitebook, and Latitude will allow your Linux laptop to have a very long lifespan since you can supply it with cheap replacement parts. They are not going to be able to replicate that aspect unless they sell as many laptops for years, although its possible they could just have computers that adapt to those parts I doubt that will happen.<p>I support their removal of Intel ME, its probably a reaction to Dell offering the same for their hardware, but its differentiation that is refreshing is that its a company sells a coreboot computer. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.system76.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;168050597573&#x2F;system76-me-firmware-updates-plan" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.system76.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;168050597573&#x2F;system76-me-firm...</a><p>The Linux desktop has a fragmented problem and this is going to fragment it more. Linux for servers rallied around universal CLI interfaces, and the most usable and successful consumer Linux is android (you can install launchers but they all hook the same way and there is a default).<p>Pinephone and Librem do the opposite and are essentially imitating ways that failed desktop Linux and are doomed to fail by fragmenting phone GUIs. Every problem will cause a fork and nothing users care about will be fixed, but you’ll be able to and essentially forced to make decisions about the many interfaces, how every fork has another way of doing it differently, and because they’re all essentially nothing more than patches that didn’t get upstreamed they’ll be abandoned.
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kzrdude超过 3 年前
That sounds fun as hell, but I&#x27;m not sure if it&#x27;s a good use of time.<p>Something I&#x27;ve noticed the last years is that people working on companies often don&#x27;t do the most efficient thing, they do what they want to do, and make arguments for why it&#x27;s good. And why not!
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jokethrowaway超过 3 年前
This is great news.<p>My subjective view of the desktop on linux is that: I find Gnome and Unity to be, frankly, quite unusable and hard to get into a place you can use. Sway is neat but requires skills and plenty of configuration. They really follow the unix way, which means you&#x27;ll need a solid 3 days of work to get a desktop experience you enjoy.<p>KDE is a fine desktop experience with ok defaults which can become great with a tiny bit of configuring. You can see a lot of lack of polish and half baked product ideas from the 4.0 ear.<p>I get it, it&#x27;s OSS and people will pick the problems they like to solve. Not many people get excited about figuring out the optimal amount of padding in UIs and almost everyone would like to invent something novel - like KDE&#x27;s activities, on which I wasted a significant amount of time, just trying to get them to disappear forever from my desktop.<p>Qt is definitely the most mature and complete solution to write GUIs in the world but the Rust bindings are barely working and something like conrod-core could be a good base for a desktop.<p>Having a profitable making money creating a polished linux desktop experience sounds simply amazing - and exactly what we need.<p>Hopefully between this and Valve&#x27;s work on the SteamDeck, things will improve for the linux desktop.
emptyparadise超过 3 年前
Interested to see a modern take on Linux desktop that&#x27;s neither irritatingly minimalist or constantly breaking things with every update.
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happyjack超过 3 年前
I think it is awesome that a company is selling Linux laptops AND developing their own OS. On the other hand, I think &quot;oh gosh there goes more fragmentation in Linux UI &#x2F; desktop world.&quot; If System76 has the $ and support to write the software, good on them. I have a Thelio desktop (running RHEL 8) and my wife a laptop running their Pop!OS. Their customer support is outstanding, and I hope that translates into their software projects!
filereaper超过 3 年前
I hope System76 will allow us to install this or offer subscription support for a yearly&#x2F;monthly fee.<p>My employer dictates which hardware we buy due to the IT team&#x27;s limitations, but we&#x27;re allowed to choose which software we run.<p>I&#x27;m mainly looking for POP_Os or equivalent running on a Thinkpad and would happily pay for a monthly&#x2F;yearly subscription for features and bug fixes.
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tarkin2超过 3 年前
What do they mean by Desktop? File manager and other tools? How will Rust help in this specific case? Or is it a case of the developers like Rust?
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andrewclunn超过 3 年前
This is more than just a new desktop environment. This is a new windowing system. This isn&#x27;t like replacing KDE or Gnome. It&#x27;s like replacing gtk or qt (though of course qt and gtk apps will run under this environment I&#x27;m sure). Considering how opinionated and integrate qt and gnome have become as of late, I applaud that move. I prefer Pantheon myself, but think that the built in &quot;desktop&quot; should be separate from the standard library various apps run in (for several reasons). Let a thousand flowers bloom indeed.