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Microsoft to Block Windows 11 Browser Workarounds

110 点作者 theodorejb超过 3 年前

16 条评论

dang超过 3 年前
Recent and related:<p><i>You can no longer bypass microsoft-edge:&#x2F;&#x2F; links using apps like EdgeDeflector</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29191244" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29191244</a> - Nov 2021 (167 comments)
Someone1234超过 3 年前
The lack of consumer protections in the US is <i>problematic</i>.<p>When something is defined as a &quot;monopoly&quot; they can go in and do all kinds of pro-consumer stuff, but legally very few things are monopolies in the US (duopolies are more common). I wish stuff like this and iOS&#x27;s ban on browser push notifications (because it competes with apps) was reviewed by a Federal consumer rights agency.<p>What is frustrating that Edge-Chrome is actually a pretty good browser, Microsoft don&#x27;t <i>need</i> to be doing this petty stuff to make it popular, yet here we are. Feels like the engineers at Microsoft just want to make cool shit but the management are stuck in this 1990s toxic mindset that keeps the company&#x27;s image in the toilet (see also the Hot Reload controversy with the Visual Studio VP).
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rackjack超过 3 年前
I previously stated:<p>&gt; Ah, the eternal cycle of: Microsoft does something bad, then people move to Linux, then they get dragged by Linux&#x27;s rough new user experience, then they leave Linux, then things are fine for a while, then people mock Linux users for being paranoid, then Microsoft does something bad...<p>here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28971110" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28971110</a><p>Looks like we&#x27;re going for another whirl around the cycle! Wheee!
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neogodless超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m not using Windows 11 yet. Using dual monitors, I prefer to have my task bars on the inside edges of those monitors. I do not like to group multiple open windows in a single task bar entry.<p>These are not huge things, but then again, all I really want from my operating system UI is the ability to put things where I want them.<p>Windows 11 decreased quite a few user preference&#x2F;customization options. It&#x27;s clearly not their objective to do what the user wants, but whatever Microsoft wants (and this is&#x2F;was one of the few core differentiators for me between Microsoft and Apple, and it is shrinking rapidly EDIT: I will not change my comment here but I think my point is more the overall ecosystem&#x2F;buy-in; i.e. requiring XCode to write for iOS, needing iOS to use a Watch, being unable to choose the browser&#x2F;engine on iOS, and largely being unable to customize&#x2F;upgrade Mac hardware).<p>This latest decision is atrocious, but also inline with previous decisions they&#x27;ve made regarding Windows 11. User be warned.
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saxonww超过 3 年前
This is essentially the same behavior that led to their anti-trust case about 20 years ago. Which initially resulted in a finding of monopoly behavior and an order to split up, which as we know was not pursued.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor...</a>.
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jpalomaki超过 3 年前
What kind links are actually using this specific edge protocol?<p>Edit: ” Seemingly normal-looking web links all over Windows 10, the Cortana digital assistant, and Microsoft apps like Mail, News, and Your Phone force-open in Microsoft Edge rather than in your system defined default web browser.” <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ctrl.blog&#x2F;entry&#x2F;edgedeflector-default-browser.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ctrl.blog&#x2F;entry&#x2F;edgedeflector-default-browser.ht...</a>
remirk超过 3 年前
It is quite normal that things break on the Windows Insider Preview builds from time to time right?<p>I&#x27;m pro Free Software, and therefore anti-Microsoft, but isn&#x27;t it possible that, because of the changes to URL requests, they just haven&#x27;t implemented support for having a difference standard browser? And that it may come in the upcoming weeks?<p>This would be an all-time low for Microsoft. It would give them a lot of hate. I find that hard to believe to be honest.
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bun_at_work超过 3 年前
Why does Microsoft feel the need to force adoption of their browser?<p>The browser comes installed, and is not the best browser (for everyone, at least). If a user wants to change the browser, why does that matter to MS so much?<p>I&#x27;m genuinely curious because it seems like universally hated behavior by MS, but without any obvious benefit - so, what am I missing?
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noxer超过 3 年前
You cant install windows 11 on older hardware &gt; turns out you can<p>You cant update to windows 11 on older hardware &gt; turns out you can<p>You cant set a different default browser &gt; turns out you can<p>You cant set a different default browser (again) &gt; turns out you can<p>There is zero reason to believe that this will stay. Also its a dev build its not like this breaks anyone&#x27;s workflow unless someone choose to work on a dev build and therefore accepted such and way worse hiccups.
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TheRealDunkirk超过 3 年前
This, combined with the recent cloning of Notion in Office365, <i>should</i> get them in hot water with the various regulatory bodies, but Microsoft learned how to grease palms back in the days of The Trial, so I&#x27;m sure their bases are covered.
dehrmann超过 3 年前
I realize a side effect of this is it promotes Edge, but this feels like when websites would use JS to set that website to your homepage. Lots of bad actors use defaults in bad ways, so I&#x27;m fine with blocking them and having the OS manage this. My only concern is that this isn&#x27;t a real problem now that most tasks are either idiosyncratic or in a browser. Maybe it was a fix needed in 2005.
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shmerl超过 3 年前
Didn&#x27;t they get blasted with anti-trust for their browser shenanigans? They feel too safe to do it again?
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xnx超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m not a fan of how pushy Windows is with Edge, but I&#x27;m sympathetic. Microsoft looks at Chrome OS and Chrome, and iOS and Safari, and asks &quot;Why can&#x27;t we do that?&quot;.
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samstave超过 3 年前
I am on Windows 11 - first time with W11 and been running it for a week++; I looked this morning when my machine was running slow, to try and see what it was, my uptime was 2D6H+ so I rebooted and that didnt solve it.<p>I have the newest flagship laptop from HP Omen RTX3070 and Ryzen 58000 or something...<p>I am only using my browser, FF, and its still acting weird slow..<p>Any thoughts?
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neilv超过 3 年前
Is there <i>any</i> browser vendor that <i>doesn&#x27;t</i> do things against its users&#x27; interests, for business reasons?<p>I&#x27;m mostly using Firefox and Tor Browser, but there&#x27;ve been numerous disappointments, even there.
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FredPret超过 3 年前
Microsoft user to buy an M1 and never look back (me at least)