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Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

437 点作者 lnyan超过 3 年前

42 条评论

zwirbl超过 3 年前
I couldn&#x27;t find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3&quot; version) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ</a><p>seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected
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cgb223超过 3 年前
I own a Boox Note Air 2.<p>Bought it when I was looking for a large screen eReader for the technical epubs and pdfs I’ve amassed over the years that require a big screen (big pages on the pdfs)<p>pros and cons of this company are pretty clear<p>Pros are that they have large eReaders and support any file format<p>They also run android so if you use an app like Pocket or an RSS feed to read articles, they work well enough<p>Cons:<p>The company’s documentation is more or less broken. Google how to fix something and their docs are missing, outdated, and often in broken english.<p>The screen itself is big but slow to refresh and in most modes leaves traces of the previous pages. They have a manual button to full refresh the page, but a user shouldn’t have to do that.<p>It’s not a certified android device so you have to jump through a bunch of somewhat insecure hoops to get the play store installed and log in.<p>Privacy: There privacy statement basically says “lol we promise to be private k?” So I want to run this thing through wireshark to see how true that is. My only skepticism is that it’s a Chinese company, and that might not be fair, but given the information I have on my device it would be good to confirm.<p>All that said, they have a color eInk screen that’s coming out soon that looks wonderful.
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h2odragon超过 3 年前
$800 to pre-order. (Corrected: $1800 for the pre-order, $800 for the smaller one)<p>E-ink is one of those great technologies that seems like it has potential but won&#x27;t &quot;arrive&quot; until after the patents all expire.
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dash2超过 3 年前
The rival here is the Dasung 25.3&quot; model, currently waiting for a new batch:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dasung-tech.myshopify.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;dasung-25-3-e-ink-monitor-paperlike-253" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dasung-tech.myshopify.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;dasung-25-3-e-ink...</a><p>I&#x27;d love to hear from anyone who&#x27;s worked with a monitor like this.
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hajile超过 3 年前
They need OLED.<p>Put the transparent OLED layer on top of the E-ink.<p>Now you can use E-ink for your static content or the OLED when you need dynamic content.<p>E-ink saves a lot of the OLED burn-in (which is at it&#x27;s worst with white background) while OLED gives the ability to do more&#x2F;better colors and fast response times.
lambdaba超过 3 年前
I couldn&#x27;t (easily) find information about refresh rates and such, what I want is to know if this is usable for coding. Frankly I&#x27;m down to go with lower stats for this, because I so want to be able to use a computer with just natural light.<p>If anybody has been doing this I&#x27;d love to read about your experience!
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jll29超过 3 年前
I can&#x27;t wait until this reaches maturity to get a 11&quot; or so sub-notebook which is quiet, low energy, with a good keyboard for reading and writing (text&#x2F;code editing, emails, PDF reading of scientific papers).<p>Looked into this a couple of years ago and it was too early, now one could almost design &amp; build that.
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keewee7超过 3 年前
&gt;Onyx Boox is a brand of e-book reader produced by Onyx International Inc, based in China<p>China is the only country innovating right now. The rest of the world really needs to start building combined manufacturing and innovation hubs like Shenzhen.
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smusamashah超过 3 年前
What is the lifespan of high refresh e-ink devices such as this monitor? Is it measured in a billion refreshes for example? E-ink displays have been slow to update but like this monitor there are a bunch of e-ink tablets which even allow you to watch videos and play games. In my head it feels like it detoriate the device faster.
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gawin超过 3 年前
How does this compare with the Dasung Paperlike 25.3? Looks like the same E-ink display, but perhaps different driver?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=gGblzUc_Z1I" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=gGblzUc_Z1I</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.indiegogo.com&#x2F;projects&#x2F;paperlike-253-the-first-25-3-inch-e-ink-monitor#&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.indiegogo.com&#x2F;projects&#x2F;paperlike-253-the-first-2...</a>
moritonal超过 3 年前
Interesting limitation listed on their site: &quot;AMD GPUs are not supported for now.&quot;
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girvo超过 3 年前
I adore Boox. My Note 2 is amazing (and keeps getting better and faster note-taking with firmware updates every few months).<p>I’ve ordered a Mira, the 13.3” one, which I think is a more useful size for the type of documents and uses e-ink has.<p>This is super cool though!
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patall超过 3 年前
My dad has bought the 25.3&#x27;&#x27; E ink monitor from Dasung. From what he tells, it does not have a backlight and is itself to dark for his taste outside of middle of the day. Maybe it will be better during summer or in bright condition but sitting further away from these devices may require more than just reflectiveness for some users.
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WesolyKubeczek超过 3 年前
Here are my problems with such devices. I own an Onyx Boox 3 for a year now, I guess I qualify.<p>1) these screens still have bad contrast compared to a printed page at the same DPI. They mostly compare to yellowed dog-eared 50-year-old books. The dots are also rather fuzzy, so not really comparable to what you get in a decent LCD at the same density.<p>2) if it comes to desktop use, no OS&#x2F;environment except classic MacOS up to version 8 and maybe GEM gives a shit about monochrome displays, especially those where only 1-bit colors look decent (so Windows 3.11 would likely count too). On DEs which you can still theme, themes that look like printed pages (two colors for UI, no gradients, no exceptions to this rule) don&#x27;t exist at all. There&#x27;s GTK&#x27;s &quot;High Contrast&quot; theme, but it renders everything also BIG and FAT, which is cumbersome to look at unless you need it because of eyesight problems.<p>Also, there should be a way to disable all UI animations and most hover effects, but it either doesn&#x27;t exist or keeps getting reinvented in any new major version so you&#x27;re chasing it every once in a while.<p>3) Have you ever seen how Android renders colors on displays with no colors? God damn it to hell. I tried a terminal emulator. Some text was black, some white, some nigh-invisible, and some was white with a black (fuzzy) outline. I thought a monochrome display couldn&#x27;t be ever described as garish, but now I&#x27;ve learned the errors of my ways. The only way it can work is if you export TERM=vt100 so it doesn&#x27;t try to draw you rainbows where there can be none.<p>4) While the refresh speed got better compared to most Kindles I owned, when you&#x27;re typing, it&#x27;s still more annoying than a CRT with big afterburn.<p>Maybe it&#x27;s kind of acquired taste, I dunno, but not for me. Yet. I hope.<p>I wouldn&#x27;t mind a strictly 2-colored theme on a regular laptop screen as well, mind you.
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efferifick超过 3 年前
I wonder how well one can modify the framework laptop to use the 13 inch e-ink monitor. Even if a small hdmi cable needs to run outside the case, as long as the lid can close (no need auto sleep) I&#x27;d be happy. I don&#x27;t know anything about 3D printing, but it will likely be necessary (perhaps not sufficient though).
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dkdbejwi383超过 3 年前
I&#x27;d absolutely love to try something like this for programming, but it&#x27;s much too expensive for me to try out on a whim
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patagonicus超过 3 年前
Looks pretty nice, especially the USB-C input. I might have gotten that one if it had been available when I was shopping for an e-Ink screen.<p>I got a Dasung 13&quot; one a while ago, the larger Dasung wasn&#x27;t launched yet (and I was struggling a bit to justify the price tag of the 13&quot;, now I&#x27;d probably go for the larger one). It&#x27;s very limited, basically only works for black and white text, but for that it&#x27;s great. I use it pretty much daily, just keeping a shell open there. I&#x27;ve changed my terminal to be black on white and all colors map to light&#x2F;dark gray (for light&#x2F;dark versions of the basic terminal colors), which works decently. I did change themes for things like tmux and vim to work better on a grayscale screen.<p>Reading text on it is great, but compared to a Kindle Oasis (whatever the newest model was last summer) its DPI is quite low, so you can&#x27;t have text as small without it getting blurry. I mostly got it because I noticed that I was getting some eye strain staring at a regular screen all day and as best as I can tell it really has helped with that. It&#x27;s also powered off of USB, which makes it usable on the go as a second screen.<p>My main gripe is using a Mini-HDMI-Port with a custom cable to inject power from USB (I <i>think</i> HDMI-&gt;Mini-HDMI plus a separate USB cable for Micro-USB input also work, never tried), but it&#x27;s also a bit annoying that the inputs are on the sides and not the back. I also use it with a monitor arm at home, the included pole for standing it up is ok for on the go, but I really wouldn&#x27;t use it permanently.<p>TL;DR: expensive, but if you want to reduce eye strain while reading a lot of text it really helps. Main driver for shell &#x2F; coding tasks and I sometimes read longer websites&#x2F;Google Docs&#x2F;etc on it, though less frequently.
OliverJones超过 3 年前
I love these E-Ink guys. They&#x27;ve been plugging away for a quarter century and their stuff keeps getting better.
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karmakaze超过 3 年前
&gt; *Please confirm your ports (USB Type-C and HDMI) support secondary monitors by connecting your devices to another monitor first. AMD GPUs are not supported for now.<p>I have no mental model of what this device is. Apparently it&#x27;s not a display in the normal sense. Perhaps what&#x27;s sent via HDMI&#x2F;USB-C are effectively control signals rather than the colors&#x2F;shades you want that get you the shades you want accounting for the response characteristics of the eInk display. What I&#x27;d like is for any of this extra logic to be in the device itself and not in software that requires installation and updates to keep working with OS updates, or other OSes altogether.
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oblak超过 3 年前
Man, I can&#x27;t wait for something like e-ink to become usable as an actual 120Hz monitor. I&#x27;ve been sitting in front of shitty screens my entire life. Give display that do not shine and you could play games on.<p>Won&#x27;t happen in my life though
kumarvvr超过 3 年前
Would love this as a second or third screen to read books &#x2F; documentation from.
tapia超过 3 年前
I am delighted to see that they have Linux support for their software. You don&#x27;t see that so often, especially for such niche hardware. Really cool!
Someone超过 3 年前
“Remove ghosting with one press” is a <i>feature</i> that they use to sell the device?<p>How bad is the ghosting&#x2F;how often do you need to press that button?
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levpopov超过 3 年前
E-ink monitors are really cool (I&#x27;ve had a couple different ones for a while). However if your primary goal is reducing eye-strain, there are much better ways: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;levpopov&#x2F;status&#x2F;1466835595984977923" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;levpopov&#x2F;status&#x2F;1466835595984977923</a>
jonnycomputer超过 3 年前
That promotional video didn&#x27;t show a visible page refresh once. Which was what I was most interested in seeing, since lag while typing might be the thing I&#x27;m most worried about [well that and my syntax highlighting (:]
gcanyon超过 3 年前
I don&#x27;t need touch, and I don&#x27;t need a sub-one-second refresh rate. I <i>do</i> need a monitor I can read documents on without eye strain that doesn&#x27;t cost ~8x what an equivalent LCD monitor costs.
kentosi超过 3 年前
&gt; *E Ink monitors&#x27; refresh speed is not as high as conventional monitors&#x27;,<p>So what is the refresh rate then? I can&#x27;t seem to find it in the Specs section.
acd超过 3 年前
Wow this looks like a nice companion device for reading documentation. Anyone know if Boox eink displays works with ipad hdmi adapter as a secondary display?
randomor超过 3 年前
Why hasn’t anyone built a short throw projector for office work(coding) yet?<p>- reflective light just like eink so less eye strain<p>- better refresh rate and latency<p>- better color range<p>Is it the resolution?
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dirtyid超过 3 年前
Looks nice, but feels like another year where ebook hasn&#x27;t arrived. Still waiting for the day of sub 500 eink 50 inch screens.
frou_dh超过 3 年前
You guys go ahead and buy, take one for the team and work out all the bugs&#x2F;defects in Rev.A units :)
Jeff_Brown超过 3 年前
This kind of thing needs Bluetooth. Then I could read outdoors with my laptop running in my backpack.
aj_g超过 3 年前
Related, does anybody have any suggestions for a cheap&#x2F;large&#x2F;easy to look at monitor that could be used for a digital picture frame? I was thinking of getting a Raspberry Pi to rotate through my photos in my home, but the hardest part of the project would be choosing a good discrete&#x2F;mountable display.
TruthWillHurt超过 3 年前
Not a word on refresh rate.
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ciupicri超过 3 年前
repost <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27629455" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27629455</a>
sktrdie超过 3 年前
Serious question: wouldn&#x27;t just turning preferences of a normal monitor to black&#x2F;white give you the same result? And is e-ink really better for eyes? Not sure I&#x27;ve seen research in this regard.
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vxa_victor超过 3 年前
These products look amazing but a major drawback is the lack of colors. Any chance e-ink will get color support?
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al3mani超过 3 年前
What about f.lux (and others?) --&gt; &quot;Effects and extra colors&quot; --&gt; &quot;Grayscale&quot; ?
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intrasight超过 3 年前
What would be the benefit of this over a quality OLED monitor?
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fnord77超过 3 年前
would smooth scrolling of text be possible?
denysvitali超过 3 年前
799 USD
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trabant00超过 3 年前
I am sad they go with the health angle. There is no evidence that suggest backlit or blue light are any more damaging for the eyes than a piece of paper with the same text. It&#x27;s focusing that strains the eyes.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aao.org&#x2F;eye-health&#x2F;tips-prevention&#x2F;are-computer-glasses-worth-it" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aao.org&#x2F;eye-health&#x2F;tips-prevention&#x2F;are-computer-...</a><p>&gt; Long hours staring at digital screens leads to decreased blinking. Blinking less sometimes causes a series of temporary eye symptoms known as eye strain. But these effects are caused by how people use their screens, not by anything coming from the screens. The best way to avoid eye strain is to take breaks from the screen frequently.<p>&gt; The amount of light coming from a computer has never been demonstrated to cause any eye disease.
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