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Numerics applied to Casimir geometry generates intersection with Alcubierre warp

298 点作者 kposehn超过 3 年前

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whatshisface超过 3 年前
This is my semi-educated guess as to what&#x27;s going on here. Beware that semi-educated guesses are sometimes worse than uneducated ones, since they are more plausible and not necessarily more correct.<p>The Alcubierre warp drive requires both positive and negative curvatures. Positive curvatures are &quot;easy&quot; to make, since mass and energy bend space positively. Negative curvatures are typically said to require negative energy to produce, but the full story is thankfully more complex.<p>The universe, despite being filled with mass and energy, is roughly flat. That means that the natural bending of spacetime, without any stuff inside it, has to be negative - otherwise all the mass would make it extra positive. If you believe the consequence of vacuum energy in QED, that the fields filling the universe are VERY heavy, even when no particles are around, then you must believe the natural curvature to be very negative indeed.<p>So, it stands to reason, if you want to bend the universe backwards, take the weights off of it - <i>really</i> off of it, in this case using metal plates to forbid certain vacuum fluctuations, and let it unbend itself.
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generalizations超过 3 年前
Juicy bit, cut from the end of the abstract:<p>&gt; a toy model consisting of a 1µm diameter sphere centrally located in a 4µm diameter cylinder was analyzed to show a three-dimensional Casimir energy density that correlates well with the Alcubierre warp metric requirements. This qualitative correlation would suggest that chip-scale experiments might be explored to attempt to measure tiny signatures illustrative of the presence of the conjectured phenomenon: a real, albeit humble, warp bubble.
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heyitsguay超过 3 年前
Any physicists wanna throw some cold water on our hopes and dreams here? Compared to most papers with far-out results, there didn&#x27;t seem to be any obvious caveats here. What&#x27;s up with worldline numerics? Could there be any issues hiding in the numerical methods there? How established are those methods in the field?<p>Also, to be clear, is it correct that they haven&#x27;t actually built such a device, this result is still just in simulation?
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koprulusector超过 3 年前
The Reddit post didn’t link directly to the study. Reactions there range from “omg Star Trek” to “nothing to see here, it’s all math&#x2F;computer models.”<p>I’ll admit that I lack sufficient math and physics education to fully appreciate the study, but after reading the actual abstract I must say that it certainly seems more grounded than either of those two extreme reactions.<p>There’s a lot of suggestive and uncertain language being used like “to be qualitatively quite similar”, “correlates well with”, or “correlation would suggest”, and I’m uncertain if I should Interpret the rhetoric as conservative excitement sprinkled with self doubt, or if this is the physics PhD researcher version of ostentatious nerd flexing with a bit of CYA in case future research&#x2F;results don’t pan out.<p>I’m looking forward to reading the comments of the European physics and engineering PhDs in the morning.
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bee_rider超过 3 年前
A bit tangential, but is it typical to mention your funding source multiple times in the abstract for an academic paper in this field?<p>Actually, to be frank, mentioning multiple times that they are DARPA-funded in the abstract makes me wonder if they are aware that their claims stretch the suspension of disbelief, and if perhaps they&#x27;d like to emphasize their association with a big official organization to reinforce their credibility. Which is not at all a good argument against them, but it gives me a little bad smell. Maybe I&#x27;m just jaded and they&#x27;d like to preemptively offer thanks to DARPA, though.
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Robotbeat超过 3 年前
The best part about this is that it should be experimentally <i>testable</i>, and the paper seems to focus on that aspect. Bravo!
wolverine876超过 3 年前
Does someone want to explain it like I&#x27;m ... an educated adult?
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algon33超过 3 年前
General reminder: the Alcubierre warp drive does not allow you to accelerate to from sub-c speeds to above-c speeds. This back-reaction post discusses the topic, linking to a paper on a better design for an Alcubierre warp drive: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;backreaction.blogspot.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;11&#x2F;warp-drive-news-seriously.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;backreaction.blogspot.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;11&#x2F;warp-drive-news-ser...</a>
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gaze超过 3 年前
The author list is half a joke. Some dude who makes clean room equipment in his garage and an official representative of NASA’s crank group. I don’t understand how this crap gets funded.
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nharada超过 3 年前
Isn&#x27;t this the EM drive guy over at NASA?
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kibwen超过 3 年前
Alcubierre warp drives are cool, though keep in mind the difficulties with the idea as it is currently understood: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Alcubierre_drive#Difficulties" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Alcubierre_drive#Difficulties</a>
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gus_massa超过 3 年前
This is a theoretical result, they didn&#x27;t make an experiment yet.<p>The device must be constructed inside a Casimir cavity, i.e. a special cavity that is so small some weird quantum effects are not negligible. So it will be very difficult to scale this up, or make a similar thing outside the walls. Being very optimistic, this can be useful to construct a FTL hollow &quot;wire&quot;, in which you can send small things inside Alcubierre bubbles inside the wire. (Can I all it &quot;hyperloop&quot;?) I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s possible to use this to travel to another star, unless you construct a loooooong tube connecting both.
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api超过 3 年前
A thought I had a long time ago on the Alcubierre drive: it violates everything we know about space-time and causality to travel in any way (and thus transfer information) faster than the speed of light, but what if you could use this to travel <i>at</i> or near the speed of light?<p>If we could build one we might even run into a causality protection principle effect where if you try to exceed &#x27;c&#x27; something bad happens or something rapidly goes to infinity, but you can warp around at &#x27;c&#x27; just fine.<p>That would let us easily get around the solar system and would enable star travel in 5-10 years.
baq超过 3 年前
&gt; This qualitative correlation would suggest that chip-scale experiments might be explored to attempt to measure tiny signatures illustrative of the presence of the conjectured phenomenon: <i>a real, albeit humble, warp bubble</i>.<p>what a delivery. that&#x27;s a punchline i&#x27;d like to be an author of.
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aasasd超过 3 年前
Finally a post in which I understand absolutely nothing, with the feeble exception of the word ‘warp’. I can lay off all pretense, skip the attempt to incorporate this into my model of the world, and blissfully skate right past.
suilied超过 3 年前
It looks like we&#x27;re getting closer and closer to making this a reality. Recently (this year) some other people published a sort of reworking of the Alcubierre drive[1], I wonder how much (if at all) better this paper will fit with that. For those who&#x27;d like a more accessible way to what it&#x27;s about see: [2]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;2102.06824.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;2102.06824.pdf</a> [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=8VWLjhJBCp0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=8VWLjhJBCp0</a>
webmaven超过 3 年前
Looking at the proposed array of negative energy generators, I am struck by the awkwardness of using the sphere-in-a-cylinder arrangement.<p>Wouldn&#x27;t a cylinder-in-a-cylinder arrangement work just as well (and be easier to make)?
stared超过 3 年前
The abstract sounds like generated by GPT-3. (I am a quantum physicist.)
rickard超过 3 年前
Working link, open access, with link to pdf: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;epjc.epj.org&#x2F;articles&#x2F;epjc&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2021&#x2F;07&#x2F;10052_2021_Article_9484&#x2F;10052_2021_Article_9484.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;epjc.epj.org&#x2F;articles&#x2F;epjc&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2021&#x2F;07&#x2F;10052_2021_Ar...</a>
Causality1超过 3 年前
To my knowledge an alcubierre effect requires negative energy. If someone&#x27;s invented something that behaves like negative energy why isn&#x27;t that the headline? Warp drive is cool but it&#x27;s a second-order consequence of what would be a physics revolution greater than relativity.
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nikita-leonov超过 3 年前
Where are all the people that usually say &quot;I can build it over the weekend&quot;? We need you now!
squidproquo超过 3 年前
An interesting PBS Space Time episode covering this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Rh898Yr5YZ8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Rh898Yr5YZ8</a>
XorNot超过 3 年前
This is a very big deal if the math is right and it&#x27;s possible to build.<p>A practical negative vacuum energy device, even on a small scale, that you can hook up in the lab and experiment with?
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_Microft超过 3 年前
What applications for microscopic volumes of negative energy density might there be? Could we use these in MEMS devices to create novel types of sensors with them?
m3kw9超过 3 年前
Sounds like they solved warp speed.