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Marketing is scary for a solo developer

513 点作者 raunometsa超过 3 年前

66 条评论

magicroot75超过 3 年前
I work solely in marketing&#x2F;advertising and have no clue how to code. I generally enjoy technology, which is why I&#x27;m on HN.<p>I think marketers and developers need a stronger culture between ourselves. The tools of marketers (data mining, consumer behavior analysis, surveys, market testing, etc) aren&#x27;t just a veneer to be applied at the completion of a development project. Marketing, when done correctly, informs UX. Marketing can provide developers with insights into the problems they should try to solve.<p>From what I can tell, many developers view the development process as a sacred protected space for creation. This is not the optimal means to delivering a high-impact product. Developers should be asking themselves during the development process: &quot;Is this feature going to excite a group of users, and do we have some statistical mechanism to predict that excitement?&quot;<p>When you create something that you already know will excite people, the product launch becomes much simpler.
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lbriner超过 3 年前
Here&#x27;s the thing. Developers are generally perfectionists and marketers are realists. As a Developer, I am naturally uncomfortable with marketing because my default view is that I don&#x27;t want to lie or over-promise and I don&#x27;t like fluffy claims.<p>Marketers and sales people <i>can</i> be less bothered about facts but I think much of the time, we just think that, the truth is that there can be a lot of fact-based marketing but also you just have to remember that your product will never be a perfect fit and neither are any of your competitors but you can sell anyway because you are making your customer&#x27;s life better, not perfect!<p>Imagine you are selling something like a Toyota SUV. Is it perfect? No. Is it the best price-point? Possibly not; the best MPG? Probably not but I am selling a package, a vehicle that ticks a lot of boxes for someone and ultimately something that is better than the competitors in some ways and worse in others.<p>If I am uncomfortable selling the Toyota because the MPG isn&#x27;t the best it could be, I am not saving the customer from disappointing MPG, I am pushing them to a competitor and taking away the benefits that they would get from a Toyota.<p>If your product solves a problem, assuming it isn&#x27;t garbage, then it will be better than competitors in some ways and worse in others. You can market it accordingly!<p>Good luck.
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XCSme超过 3 年前
I struggle with marketing so much. I built an amazing product, existing customers love it, but spending any time on doing marketing feels like either wasting development time or spending time to try to force people into buying something they might not want.<p>Most ads are trying to trick you into buying stuff you don&#x27;t really need. I know there are cases in which you actually see a relevant ad for something you really want to buy and that will bring value to your life, but that&#x27;s usually an edge case.<p>What I am working on doing now is to combine development + marketing. Instead of creating marketing material to sell, I am creating marketing material to educate: create how-to instructional videos, technical blog posts, improve the documentation, etc. If you sell a tool I think this is the best way to go, instead of advertising how cool your tool is, teach people how to use your tool and what they can do with it (eg. if you sell a hammer don&#x27;t show people how to drive nails and give a 50% limited time discount code; teach them how to build a chair and let them decide themselves if they need a hammer or not).
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wenbin超过 3 年前
As a sole-founder&#x2F;developer [1], I resonate a lot with OP&#x27;s post.<p>Use google to figure out how much real companies spend on marketing vs R&amp;D (e.g., engineers salary). Then you&#x27;ll know how important marketing is. It&#x27;s not uncommon to see a tech company spends way more money on marketing than R&amp;D. There must be a reason, right?<p>Initially, you don&#x27;t have much money to spend on marketing, but you have time. So how do you allocate your time? It&#x27;s easier than ever to build a software product. But getting people&#x27;s attention is getting harder and harder. You have to do work to let people know the existence of your product. Great things rarely happen automatically without you actively doing work. I know engineers like to solve problem in a fully automatic way. But in real business, you need to do manual work.<p>Every email is a marketing opportunity. It&#x27;s not like you need to aggressively sell your product&#x2F;service when replying other people&#x27;s emails. It&#x27;s more about providing great customer service. Great customer service is an effective marketing strategy. Genuinely helping your users solve problem (via email), then they&#x27;ll help you promote your product&#x2F;service.<p>It&#x27;s okay to experiment with paid marketing. When you run a business, money is just a number on spreadsheet :) It&#x27;s more like resources that you allocate in a strategy game (e.g., age of empires). And paid marketing is not just google&#x2F;fb ads. There are other forms of paid ads. If you can learn java&#x2F;python, you are capable enough to learn how to allocate resources (e.g., time, money..) on marketing.<p>[1] I run listennotes.com
davedx超过 3 年前
I take it one step further.<p>Having worked with large marketing departments, I have decided I don’t like marketing at all. It tends to follow psychological tactics to gain attention, often in deceptive or underhanded ways. You van see this by looking at the kind of features products like Hubspot offer: lots of creepy “tracking” of leads.<p>Contrast with sales: sales is about directly showing people your product and getting them to buy it because it helps them solve problems in their business. It’s much more honest, both the offering and the end goal.<p>On my current project I will be starting and finishing with sales (direct) and any content that supports that goal. Tweets, blogs, SEO and spammy landing pages? Nope.
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j4yav超过 3 年前
I feel like I&#x27;ve been in quicksand for the last year. I&#x27;ve built something that my cofounder and I are using internally for remote collaboration, along with a couple support people, and it&#x27;s great. But none of us have been able to figure out how to talk about it in a way that generates interest. This is really hard if you&#x27;re more of a natural builder than a seller.
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bastardoperator超过 3 年前
A marketing director forced me into spamming our customers. I objected, said it&#x27;s going to be a bad idea, copied everyone. He was furious I challenged his authority, told me I don&#x27;t know a thing about marketing which is true. I do however know unsolicited email is not appreciated.<p>I eventually get overruled and flip on the spam machine. This is a Monday evening. By Tuesday noon our support lines are flooded, twitter is going wild, and people are actually leaving the service.<p>By Tuesday evening I&#x27;m asked to turn off the spam machine. So yes, it is scary especially when the people doing the marketing don&#x27;t even understand basic internet etiquette.
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metadata超过 3 年前
Jon Yongfook has a brilliant approach - he writes code one week, then does only marketing another week. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;yongfook" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;yongfook</a><p>I plan to follow that as it completely eliminates the habit of &quot;just have to fix a few things on the software side and then I&#x27;ll get on with blogging&#x2F;tweeting&#x2F;...&quot;.
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alexmingoia超过 3 年前
At the end you touch on why it’s hard: fear of failure. When you put yourself out there you have to accept rejection. For developers, coding is an easy way to hide. It’s also why working for yourself is hard. Having a boss tell you what to do lets you off the hook.
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yoran超过 3 年前
I think every solo developer should read &quot;The E-Myth Revisited&quot; (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;81948.The_E_Myth_Revisited" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;81948.The_E_Myth_Revisit...</a>). It describes exactly this problem.<p>For your business to succeed, you must play each role:<p>1. The Entrepreneur: a future-focused visionary who pursues opportunities<p>2. The Manager: a past-focused worrier who plans and organizes<p>3. The Technician: a present-focused worker who concentrates on the task at hand<p>Solo developers (also technical startup founders) spend too much time in their Technician role. But you need all 3 for your business to succeed.
meatsauce超过 3 年前
I&#x27;ve been writing sales copy and teaching sales for 15 years and I&#x27;ve seen both developers and laymen spend 1000s of hours and 1000s of dollars on startups without knowing who they are selling their product to. They build something, spending years in development, only to ask &quot;how can we sell this?&quot; after everything is built.<p>This is a huge mistake.<p>My advise is to study sales and marketing prior to building out a project you intend to monetize. Alternatively, find a partner who can sell or hire a consultant before writing a single line of production code.
mauvehaus超过 3 年前
It&#x27;s any solo business, really, and it&#x27;s more than just marketing. I hate doing bookkeeping as well. Wrenching on machinery runs the gamut from fun but unprofitable to &quot;sweet hell, how does an induction motor work, and why won&#x27;t this one start?!&quot;. Photography is a lot less fun when you&#x27;re doing it for promoting your work. Editing photos is a skill neither I nor my wife has. We&#x27;ve been outsourcing that work.<p>Hell, my nontechnical wife does our website (on squarespace), because as a recovering programmer, I&#x27;d fall prey to the instinct to keep tweaking stuff instead of hitting publish.<p>But doing all that shit is ultimately worth it if you love what you do and also eating :-)<p>I&#x27;m trying to look at the marketing part as being an educator, not to other people in my trade, but to the public who know about as much about it as I do about bookkeeping and photoshop.<p>Now don&#x27;t go looking for my blog on my website and tell me off about it not being there. I know. I&#x27;m just as bad about publishing as the author of TFA :-)
konschubert超过 3 年前
I&#x27;ve started to sell a physical product that I make and have had my google merchant account suspended twice.<p>The algorithms claim that my ads are misleading. I don&#x27;t think they are, I hope they aren&#x27;t.<p>The first time, I appealed and it got un-suspended. No reason given. I thought: Cool, must have been a mistake but it&#x27;s been sorted out.<p>Then, after a couple days, another suspension.<p>Now I don&#x27;t know what to do.<p>Google ads and google merchant center seems to be a science in itself, but I don&#x27;t have the time to learn it all, nor the budget to pay a consultant.
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spfzero超过 3 年前
As an often-self-employed solo developer with few marketing skills, what seems to kind of map to &#x27;adding a marketing employee&#x27;, is getting something working into the hands of a user&#x2F;customer&#x2F;client. At that point the product begins to take shape fast.<p>I&#x27;ve usually corresponded with them before this happens of course, so maybe the part about finding a prospective user is actually me doing marketing. I want to make sure they are really interested and that they seem like they&#x27;d be patient and generous with good-quality feedback. And don&#x27;t have a deadline, that practically goes without saying. A client like that is almost like your cofounder.<p>After product-meets-reality, I ask lots of questions, even about things I had already assumed. I even question the things that are seemingly working, to try to get from &#x27;that part works great&#x27; to &#x27;actually, now that you mentioned it, there might be a problem there.&#x27; It takes a lot of back-and-forth, so you are really risking annoyance, hence look for the right person.<p>I try to first pick out high-return changes I can do in a few weeks. I don&#x27;t try to turn things faster than that in the beginning. I may have found a big problem in the design, a misunderstanding, a complete miss on something newly-obvious etc. A back-to-the-drawing board issue might take a lot longer. On something like that, having had someone working marketing earlier would no doubt have saved a lot of time.<p>I save by not paying someone, but I pay with a longer and less predictable development cycle. That trade-off works for me; might not for others. As well, since this is Hacker News, I should say that with outside investors they would no doubt prefer hiring professional marketing and sales folks.
city41超过 3 年前
I also feel like marketing has gotten much much harder in recent years due to extreme saturation of products. Take games for example, there were 11,000 released on Steam this year alone. I&#x27;ve noticed over the past couple years a lot of subreddits I frequent have been overtaken by people promoting their products. Even if you have something really great, it seems like you&#x27;re sharing it with audiences who are now really worn out from it all.
MrDresden超过 3 年前
From this standpoint (solo dev &amp; marketing) I have a question;<p>Would it make sense to make a twitter channel around a product for marketing purposes and direct traffic to it or rather to my personal one?<p>I have almost no following at the moment, so they would both effectively be equivalent (be starting from scratch).<p>In one way I can see the benefit in building an audience for other products in the future, but it still feels a bit odd to me.
davnicwil超过 3 年前
I you like this post, I wrote a blog post &#x27;Negative Feedback is Positive&#x27; [0] a while ago that you might also enjoy, to further drive home a related message.<p>You&#x27;re never one more CSS tweak away from not embarrassing, and you&#x27;re never one more feature away from useful. Things aren&#x27;t binary like that.<p>Just ship &#x2F; promote it now, in its current state, and see what useful feedback you can get. Hint: likely none, as nobody cares.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;davnicwil.com&#x2F;negative-feedback-is-positive&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;davnicwil.com&#x2F;negative-feedback-is-positive&#x2F;</a>
semireg超过 3 年前
As a solo&#x2F;bootstrapped dev with a fairly successful Electron app in the business space, it has taken me YEARS to embrace marketing and I still fall flat.<p>I&#x27;ve hired mentors to listen to me rant for a few hours. They ask questions, and they are surprised by my sales figures. Their advice is always the same: stop writing features <i>NOW</i>, and start learning who&#x2F;why your customers are buying from you, and use that data to find more of them.<p>My absolute instincts are to show off the product&#x2F;features and let the customer make a decision if it&#x27;s a fit. But every marketer says, &quot;no, don&#x27;t describe the feature, tell the user why it&#x27;ll help and save them time.&quot;<p>And my response is, &quot;if I have to tell them that, and they believe me, then I&#x27;m not sure I want them as a customer...&quot; Everything is subtle on a good day, but feels weirdly deceiving on a bad day. I feel like I don&#x27;t trust marketing - so I don&#x27;t want to write marketing that I think doesn&#x27;t work on me. It&#x27;s like tickling yourself.<p>I&#x27;ve been trying to rectify this by building out a new &quot;Feature Tour&quot; part of my app&#x27;s website. This will give me space for some light documentation, links to Guides&#x2F;FAQs, but also be composable into landing pages for specific niches and calls to action. We&#x27;ll see if it works, but still a few weeks from launch.
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ushakov超过 3 年前
my advice: build a great product and offer it to consultancies, who can suggest it to their clients<p>i spent $0 and 0s on marketing&#x2F;ads&#x2F;promotions but make a nice side-income off consultancies selling my software and services<p>it&#x27;s a win-win: you get revenue, they get something they can offer their clients
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yboris超过 3 年前
Marketing is hard. I have a personal charityware project <i>Video Hub App</i> that I&#x27;ve tried to promote. The most sensible place seems like Reddit, but even when posting to a fitting subreddit, my posts sometimes get taken down because you&#x27;re not allowed to &quot;self promote&quot;. Which means there is almost no avenue I can find.<p>I had success with my first post of the app on HN, but it feels rude to re-post it to HN often. It&#x27;s been 3+ years and I&#x27;ve had over 3,600 purchases, but I still don&#x27;t know how to share my app (paying for ads is not an option I want to consider).<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;videohubapp.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;videohubapp.com&#x2F;</a> &amp; MIT open source <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;whyboris&#x2F;Video-Hub-App" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;whyboris&#x2F;Video-Hub-App</a>
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hwers超过 3 年前
I don&#x27;t mean this in a mean way at all but when I read this my mind mostly goes to wondering if the energy spent on marketing and building yet another product we&#x27;ve seen thousands of iterations of would be better spent on trying to think of things that produce genuine value. (Another chart app? Again I don&#x27;t mean to be insulting at all but it doesn&#x27;t seem to solve much that hasn&#x27;t been solved already.) Maybe engineers should be learning how to sit in an empty quiet room for hours and just brainstorm ideas until they hit on something that would really be useful since once you come up with it implementing it can usually be done in a week.
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teewuane超过 3 年前
I feel motivated to go write up some marketing posts for my apps now. Thanks for motivating me :)<p>I was just thinking about how it needs to be a small simple habit. One post a day, and don&#x27;t look at it and get nervous and delete it right after I post it.<p>Thanks!
candiddevmike超过 3 年前
Yes, it is. Speaking of which, if anyone wants to help me as a marketing cofounder, please email me (contact info in profile).
sergioisidoro超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m going through the same thing right now. I have an MVP ready for use, sitting in the drawer because I&#x27;m too afraid to take the next step. It&#x27;s encouraging to see stories of others going through the same.
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dahart超过 3 年前
&gt; But how do I get over the fear of exposure?<p>For me, it really helped to have A&#x2F;B testing in place and literally watch relatively easy marketing efforts bring many times more people than a new feature or a technical or educational post. Marketing was (and still is) pretty scary to me, but seeing it work does ease the fears. Another motivator in my case was spending my own money, which was maybe a mistake, but watching my savings drain while I code certainly lit a fire to try and make things work.
tymm超过 3 年前
As a solo developer (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;simplepush.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;simplepush.io</a>) that hates marketing as well, I often find myself trying to make use of paid ads. Probably because it is easier to spend some money than writing a good article. However it hasn&#x27;t really worked for me so far. Wondering if other solo developers had some success with paid ads?
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elorant超过 3 年前
I have a simple rule for marketing which has proved to give nice results. Give a generous demo. Not that lame 15 days demo that most services provide. No one will manage to test your product in just 15 days. And even if they do it won’t help create a habit out of using it. Give three months instead. It gives them time to schedule a period of using it, and then it provides a cushion to get accustomed to it.<p>I was testing an IDE the other day that had only one month trial period. One month is not enough. It’s a secondary tool. I won’t use it on a daily basis because I have work to do. I’ll use it on weekends, and probably not that much. I need plenty of time to test it on various projects to get accustomed with all its features and see how it compares to the one I have. Would it break them to give a two or three months trial time?<p>Long demos does the trick for me. As always, ymmv.
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Invictus0超过 3 年前
The comments here are proof enough that marketing is completely foreign and misunderstood by a lot of developers.
cweill超过 3 年前
I don&#x27;t see the different between marketing and customer development à la Lean Start-up. As a budding solo-developer myself (2 months in), I&#x27;m making sure to get my customers involved from day 0: speaking to as many as possible, learning about their pain points, and only building one feature at a time before reaching out again. Some of your most loyal customers will be along for the journey.<p>Twitter has been huge for me to find my customers. I&#x27;ll just DM people who talk about relevant topics and tweet once a day about what I&#x27;m working on. I just got my first paying customer (a big one too) through someone retweeting one of my tweets. At the end of the day your customers are people too.<p>I agree that marketing is scary, and a good book about this is &quot;Show Your Work&quot;.
winrid超过 3 年前
What I do is have a whiteboard and I can&#x27;t move the post-it notes to the &quot;done&quot; section until there are some kind of tests, docs, and a blog post.<p>This works because there&#x27;s limited space on the board and I&#x27;m OCD. :P
dialcortez超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m in the same boat. Tho I feel the route for solofounders to market themselves is twitter and that is one of the biggest obstacles for me to actually do it.<p>Don&#x27;t really know if SEO is really that important for solodevs or small products anymore.<p>When you sell a product, you try to present it as something real, with support, hoping customers don&#x27;t realize this is just a 1 person operation. The expectations are different. SEO is different.<p>But when your clients are not on the twitterverse, things get complicated.<p>I resonate with the article, and I&#x27;m stuck on this most of the time. Saved for a personal constant reminder. Thanks!
Zealotux超过 3 年前
I have been running into that exact problem for months now, I have early users messaging me with &quot;why don&#x27;t you talk more of your product? this just what I was looking for it took me hours to find it&quot;. So while I agree with the point but honestly: this kind of advice is not helping much, it&#x27;s like telling an introvert to socialize.<p>Courses could help maybe? Hiring a consultant for a few hours? Looking for a co-founder specialized in marketing? I think my product is decent, but I always feel awkward Twetting about it, even more since I&#x27;m not an avid Twitter user at all.
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intrasight超过 3 年前
I&#x27;ve come to believe that as a solo developer, you are the product.<p>So my &quot;marketing&quot; strategy this year is to put my developer notes on Github. Basically let people into my head and see my development process unfold.
evancoop超过 3 年前
How does one distinguish between &quot;marketing,&quot; a process that can be analytical with respect to consumer behavior, survey data, market testing, etc. and &quot;hustling,&quot; which is less rigorous, and more ado about effort in generating exposure? It seems as though devs can get behind the former, once there&#x27;s a product to sell, but the latter is somewhat antithetical to the general disposition (at least for me personally).<p>Is this really a plea to recognize that some of this isn&#x27;t about a skillset as much as a temperament?
bootstrapsite超过 3 年前
So funny I asked the <i>exact</i> same thing on HN a few days ago and got some very helpful replies. The top reply which resonated a lot with me and also true for Plausible as per this blog post is to get a &#x27;marketing&#x27; co-founder.<p>I think it&#x27;s a pretty combustible combo if one guy loves making the software as much as the other guy loves marketing it! Like Steve and Steve?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29459901#29462551" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29459901#29462551</a>
CommonGuy超过 3 年前
Man this hits home... We have similar marketing problems with our product (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kreya.app" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kreya.app</a>), even though we think it is much better than competing products.<p>Our &quot;marketing attemps&quot; such as using Show HN (never reached the front page) or publishing blog posts didn&#x27;t amount to much. Posting on reddit did gain us some traffic, but that went over pretty quickly.<p>We currently rely on organic traffic, but growing this way is just soooo slow.
alexdrue超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m not an expert marketer, but I&#x27;m a dev. I would say that it would be great if you could take time to learn some marketing basics to get your projects on anyone&#x27;s eyeballs. Yes, there&#x27;s every aspect that we need to consider as marketers specialize in marketing, but it would be healthy for us individuals to learn a little bit of everything.
scubakid超过 3 年前
Marketing is scary for solo devs, and reading posts about how we should be doing more of it is also scary. For those of you who&#x27;ve successfully followed advice like this (versus myself, where I usually slink right from the comment section back to product development), which modern marketing channels have you found to be the best investment of your time?
pkdpic超过 3 年前
Very helpful post. Good length too. Seems applicable even if making an income with side projects really isn&#x27;t your goal.
JimWestergren超过 3 年前
Upvoting for the honesty. And I feel the same way. Earlier I had a consultancy company but I noticed that the clients rather wrote contracts with the other consultancy companies that had sellers, was good with small-talk, met in person and and gave them coffee. It didn&#x27;t matter that my service was much better with half the cost.
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make_it_sure超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m a developer. I haven&#x27;t done marketing at all, just posted my product in a few communities and took off. Why? Because if was a big need for what I built and worked really well.<p>If your product is super needed by the market, you don&#x27;t have to do much marketing, but a great marketing person will get such product to the moon
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SleekEagle超过 3 年前
Really great article. Something that&#x27;s so unique about tech-related industries is that you can ALWAYS be improving your product and releasing new features, the only barrier being time and effort, so it can be hard to pull yourself to focus on all of the other things that let a company grow.
codpiece超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m a marketing technology consultant. I&#x27;ve built or optimized systems for many tech companies you know and love.<p>I&#x27;ve always wanted to share my knowledge; write a book, do a training series, etc, but I simply can&#x27;t market myself. The hustle needed to be seen feels too...gross.
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cblconfederate超过 3 年前
I don&#x27;t get this economy in which developers make stuff that for other developers who make stuff for other developers, and they all pretend this isn&#x27;t going to crash down as soon as the tech party plateaus. Meanwhile behemoths keep becoming more behemothy
giantg2超过 3 年前
The examples given are already more profitable than any solo software I&#x27;ve done.<p>For me, the problem is that I only do niche problems that don&#x27;t have a software solution yet. That means my audience is very very small. Basically I just end up making stuff FOSS.
clairity超过 3 年前
any developer who wants to build a business is <i>becoming a marketer</i>, full-stop, otherwise you’re just a hobbyist. marketing encompasses all of the functions of bringing a product to market and repeatedly exchanging it for money, including figuring out and developing the products&#x2F;features people want and finding all the people who might want it.<p>marketing, not development, <i>is</i> business. if that’s scary, it’s worth reconsidering your appetite for starting a business. luckily, the mechanics of marketing are straightforward to learn, though developing good intuition is harder since the problem space is more ambiguous than programming.
inDigiNeous超过 3 年前
Well, that is a clever way to market your product .. by writing a blog post about it that is disguised as a blog post about marketing, while you are actually marketing your product that helps you market your startups.
ineedasername超过 3 年前
And it&#x27;s not unique to developers: any solo business-- and probably those with 2-5 people-- will have similar issues. I&#x27;m assuming any business larger than this can devote ~25% of an FTE to the task.
canadianwriter超过 3 年前
I am actually working on a book for exactly this - I consult with start up founders all the time on their marketing and there is a TON of misinformation for them to deal with on top of the fear talked about here and a host of other issues.<p>There are plenty of generic marketing books, but mine is focused specifically on startup founders. For example: almost every digital marketing book out there will say you need a blog for SEO reasons, the reality is you shouldn&#x27;t bother with that until you are further along with your business most of the time (and I&#x27;ll go into detail on the why in the book).<p>A startup founder has super limited time and money, so talking about the optimal set up (tweet X number of times, Post X number of blog posts) may not be helpful when there are things that take up way less time that may be far more valuable. Eg. knowing exactly where your perfect customer hangs out can be more valuable, especially so your tweets or blog posts don&#x27;t just disappear into the nether.
sergiomattei超过 3 年前
&gt; But Raz&#x27;s Chartbrew is making only $137 MRR after working on it for more than 3 years.<p>Great post, but I don&#x27;t understand what naming and shaming specific low-MRR founders contributes to your core message.
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SavantIdiot超过 3 年前
&quot;50% of your marketing works, you just don&#x27;t know which 50%.&quot; I&#x27;ve heard this cliche from several mentors. You just have to do it and hope you do enough of it in the right places.
rikkipitt超过 3 年前
Begs the question, how can we find our own Marko Saric&#x27;s? If you&#x27;re a marketer and reading this, want to help me with paced.email? I&#x27;m in the same boat as the OP.
prionassembly超过 3 年前
Re: traffic from HN. My submissions fall off the new listings in minutes, but I still get more visitors than from twitter posts with tens of likes. This website is crazy big.
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calltrak超过 3 年前
I know how you feel. I am trying to promote <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fabform.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fabform.io</a> shamelessly. The struggle is real :)
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NickSingh超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m a Software Engineer turned Marketer, and the gap between the two worlds is pretty big. I recently wrote about the #1 Marketing Mistake I made (which I think many other devs might fall into when thinking about marketing), which I think HN might like: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nicksingh.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;the-1-marketing-mistake-i-made-as-a-developer-turned-marketer-pitching-to-robots-not-humans" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nicksingh.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;the-1-marketing-mistake-i-ma...</a>
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sebastianconcpt超过 3 年前
This is the kind of problem that ended up making me shutdown my SaaS in 2015. But more than marketing the problem was sales.
dwighttk超过 3 年前
Marketing is scary for most people with souls
erulabs超过 3 年前
Hey this article inspired me to tweet about my product. Maybe I&#x27;ll even get a like this time :P
kordlessagain超过 3 年前
If you are solo, any time you spend doing anything else than coding and improving product is a complete waste of time. A well done product will raise interest in a given market or segment. There’s a joke in there somewhere about a well done AI based product will literally market itself. Marketing is raising interest. Nothing more.
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iveqy超过 3 年前
So was this advice or marketing material? ;)<p>Maybe both.<p>Nice to see that more that myself are struggling with this.
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prionassembly超过 3 年前
What in the oompa-loompa is a microfounder?
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Exendroinient超过 3 年前
Marketers are people without morals, probably most of them can be classified as a high functioning sociopaths. Developers are realistic and mostly care about product being as good as possible. In the terms of marketing product isn&#x27;t that important but rather finding the biggest market which implies telling fantastical stories to naive people. These modes of thinking are entirely opposite of each other.
supperburg超过 3 年前
Minecraft had zero marketing. Tesla had zero marketing.<p>Anyway, if you wanted to market your product how would you even do that? Just buy ads on YouTube and google?
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raunometsa超过 3 年前
OP here. Having a shower. Brb.
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dt3ft超过 3 年前
I am trying to promote <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pdf2qrcode.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pdf2qrcode.com</a> shamelessly. The struggle is real :)<p>Edit: the downvotes confirm the above.
TekMol超过 3 年前
<p><pre><code> Instead of publishing a blog post, I add another feature to my product. Instead of sending a tweet, I tweak CSS on my site. </code></pre> Same here. But I <i>do</i> consider that marketing. The product is the marketing. The better the free product everyone can use, the more the existing users will use it and like it and talk about it. &quot;Build it and they will come&quot; works nicely for me.<p>I do absolutely nothing but coding. Yet a handful of big companies approach me every year, asking for B2B deals for my software. Even though I do not even mention anywhere that I offer anything. And once or twice a year, I say yes. Usually resulting in a long term B2B deal which brings in a usage fee in the 5-figures-per-year range.<p><pre><code> Uku worked on the code for more than a year, and revenue started coming in when a co-founder in marketing joined </code></pre> Reading this, I wonder how my business would evolve if I did this type of active marketing. And I wonder: Is it worth it? Even if outbound marketing brings in more customers, it still is time spent that I could spend on my software. Which I love see growing and getting more and more amazing.
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