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$2,295 5-port Ethernet Switch for Audiophiles

56 点作者 rbranson超过 3 年前

43 条评论

noodlesUK超过 3 年前
This is utterly hilarious. Is it satire? The idea that an Ethernet switch could have any impact on listening other than maybe some weirdness with a ground loop or whatnot is absurd. If an audiophile were really truly worried about Ethernet they should use fibre, and then they’ll never have to worry about anything.
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mosselman超过 3 年前
The reviews of the music they tested are great and could both be parody as well as what they probably are, namely the dellusional ramblings of someone who got swindled:<p>&quot;Via the Ethernet Switch UEF, we have a much more defined and explosive brass section. You get the proper metallic blast and blatt without strain. The piano is now wonderfully fleshed out with plenty of timbral purity and proper weight. High hat cymbals have never sounded better. Exciting stuff!&quot;<p>&quot;When engaging the Ethernet Switch UEF, your room boundaries will evaporate in all directions. The band is now in the venue with you. The bongos are unleashed with additional color and tone and with a bottom end wallop that might just startle you. Goose bump city!&quot;
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scrumper超过 3 年前
I second the incredulity in every other comment here, but the bit that really struck me was the aluminum chassis reinforced with carbon fiber to _dampen vibration and resonance_. In an ethernet switch. What?<p>I guess, if I had to stretch to say something nice, it&#x27;s good that people like the author exist so that some engineers get to have a bit of fun designing a boring old switch with a no-compromises budget.<p>EDIT: their website (the maker, not the reviewer) is pure (oxygen free, directional) gold. They have a ten thousand dollar power cord with extra little plugs on it that you can attach to something called a carbon fiber tuning module to &quot;voice your system.&quot;
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ganbatekudasai超过 3 年前
&quot;Audiophile&quot; products get me so mad, I don&#x27;t even want to look at them to mock them. It&#x27;s blatant anti-science, willful ignorance. To the chagrin of people&#x27;s urge to keep optimizing, digital audio has been solved decades ago: CD audio can perfectly represent audio containing tones up to 22kHz, with a 96dB signal to noise ratio. Those are both figures that seem to exceed the hearing of even the best listener on earth.<p>For <i>studio use</i>, 24 bits offer some benefits for editing, but <i>not</i> because it sounds better, because we cannot <i>hear</i> better. Instead, if you mix audio it&#x27;s useful to have some headroom over the dynamic range of your music (headroom you cannot hear), before you mix it back down to 16 bits for listening. Think about pasting pictures into a bigger canvas before cutting it back down.<p>Things like 96kHz or even 192kHz audio can actually be <i>harmful</i> for listening: Not because you can fundamentally hear a difference (you can&#x27;t), but because if you have any nonlinearities in your audio playback chain, those inaudible frequencies above ~20kHz will cause intermodulation distortion in your audible range. Congrats, you&#x27;ve taken some useless crap over your hearing range and reflected it back as ugly crap into your hearing range.<p>Anyone who has invested time into understanding Fourier transforms and digital sampling on a fundamental mathematical level realizes that, and just gets angry at the lies. The Fourier transform and the sampling theorem don&#x27;t know what an &quot;open sound stage&quot; or an &quot;airier voice&quot; is, if you think changes in sample rates and jitter translate into such human concepts instead of <i>plain noise</i>, you live in some phantasy non-physical world.<p>What is <i>not</i> solved is speakers and room acoustics. That remains notoriously hard, because a room easily can (and most often does) reflect parts of the spectrum such that it cancels itself out. No amount of equalizing can fix that (it&#x27;s mathematically impossible), you need to change your room or speaker arrangement.<p>If you want to optimize audio, nerd out about that. Or if you absolute must, argue about <i>lossy</i> encoding formats (e.g. AAC vs. MP3) and bitrate. There is much less hard math in your way there, as they strongly rely on psychoacoustics. But anyone who claims that they hear a difference with 192kHz (on a provably linear audio chain) or an &quot;audiophile Ethernet switch&quot; shows that they&#x27;re talking bullshit to begin with, so why would I trust their opinion on some potential real difference.
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PaulDavisThe1st超过 3 年前
Many years ago, I came across a very basic description of how digital anything worked. The key concept, which at the time was like a bullet between the eyes, was&#x2F;is that all digital systems are fundamentally binary, they recognize the existence of noise in electrical signals, but represent 0&#x2F;1 with two values that differ by orders of magnitude than the noise floor.<p>So, in a 5V system, zero is represented by 0V, and one by 5V. And sure enough, if you could look in enough detail at the voltages, you&#x27;d find that sometimes the zero was actual 0.001V and the one was actually 4.912881V.<p>The whole point of digital is that <i>THE NOISE DOESN&#x27;T MATTER</i>. Even in the presence of those fluctuations (which are real), the system sees only zeroes and ones, and everything is perfect, always.<p>Please don&#x27;t be the modern EE who tells me that this is how things used to work, and it&#x27;s not true anymore :)
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walrus01超过 3 年前
I&#x27;ve seen a gold plated audiophile TOSLINK cable before. Which is actually a fat multimode optical connector. But the part you pushed into the socket sure was shiny!<p>edit: I found it again! <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;FosPower-Toslink-Digital-Connectors-Strain-Relief&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B00T8HWUVS" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;FosPower-Toslink-Digital-Connectors-S...</a>
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spookthesunset超过 3 年前
For what it is worth, here is the actual product page: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.synergisticresearch.com&#x2F;accessories&#x2F;ethernet-switch-uef&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.synergisticresearch.com&#x2F;accessories&#x2F;ethernet-swi...</a><p>I wonder if it crossed any of these reviewers minds that the audio they listened to traversed countless switches, network routers, fiber amplifiers and who knows what else before it ever hit that switch.<p>I have zero clue who buys this stuff. Perhaps I&#x27;m in the wrong business!
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jsheard超过 3 年前
Ah, the perfect companion for a NAS with audiophile-grade SSD storage<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;audiophilestyle.com&#x2F;forums&#x2F;topic&#x2F;62753-nvme-ssd-designed-for-audiophiles" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;audiophilestyle.com&#x2F;forums&#x2F;topic&#x2F;62753-nvme-ssd-desi...</a>
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lowbloodsugar超过 3 年前
Some audiophiles are used to spending thousands on cabling and power cleaning and it does make a difference if $100k has already been spent on the gear. So when presented with a switch like this it makes sense to them. But they are snakeoil. One thing that these things claim is jitter reduction - because jitter was an issue on the original USB devices using synchronous protocol. But try to explain that any kit they have is <i>already</i> buffering ethernet because it is impossible to do otherwise, and you&#x27;ll just hit a brick wall. Better to drop $2k on this, and another $10k on special ethernet cables, just to be safe!<p>Hang out on a website devoted to high end audio, like Meridian [1], and you&#x27;ll see half the people starting threads about some new $10k cable they bought, and the other half studiously avoiding telling them they are wasting their money. Just don&#x27;t get involved.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.meridianunplugged.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.meridianunplugged.com</a>
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allo37超过 3 年前
I have a hot take on this: Sound only exists inside your head, so if you convince yourself something sounds better because you paid a $shitton for it, then for all practical purposes it DOES sound better.<p>You&#x27;re paying top dollar for a placebo effect, but it&#x27;s every bit as real as &quot;sound&quot; is.
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bediger4000超过 3 年前
What would distinguish an ethernet switch &quot;for audiophiles&quot; vs a regular ethernet switch?<p>This has the same feel to it that those green magic markers they sold to audiophiles. You were supposed to use the markers on the edges of CDs to make the data reads richer and more vibrant and warm or some such hogwash.<p>I&#x27;m also reminded of &quot;directional&quot; audio cables, and the &quot;DiscWasher&quot; scam from the 70s, although heaven knows, LPs really needed help.
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sschueller超过 3 年前
That switch looks like one of these modules [1] that costs around $10 and the IEC power socket is the exact same [2] cheap crap I used on my 3d printers...<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;a.aliexpress.com&#x2F;_mqS2quO" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;a.aliexpress.com&#x2F;_mqS2quO</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;a.aliexpress.com&#x2F;_mNpTLDU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;a.aliexpress.com&#x2F;_mNpTLDU</a>
gumby超过 3 年前
The same company sells a standard three prong to two prong adaptor for $45. Package of three for a buck at my hardware store.<p>Admittedly for $45 you get a sticker on the side and a product that &quot;treats it with 1,000,000 volts of electricity in a process we call Quantum Tunneling for an amazing transformation in sound quality from this modest plug.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.synergisticresearch.com&#x2F;isolation&#x2F;accessories&#x2F;quantum-ground-lifter&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.synergisticresearch.com&#x2F;isolation&#x2F;accessories&#x2F;qu...</a>
gaze超过 3 年前
Does anyone who has looked into this know what&#x27;s _actually_ going on here? If I made up a scam ethernet switch company, I doubt positive-feedback.com would pick it up and review it positively. How much do I pay for a positive review? How well do all these people know each other? It must be a small in-group of people who all know each other getting rich off this shit.
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hagbard_c超过 3 年前
<i>Q: Are fuses directional?<p>A: Yes, fuses are directional. Electricity should flow from the left to the right when you view the fuse. If you do not know the direction of flow you should listen to the fuse inserted in both directions. One direction will sound more detailed. This is the correct way.</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.synergisticresearch.com&#x2F;fuses&#x2F;blue&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.synergisticresearch.com&#x2F;fuses&#x2F;blue&#x2F;</a><p>This site is proof of the fact that there is no positive correlation between affluence and intelligence.<p>Maybe they should sell a fuse direction swapper which turns the fuse around 50&#x2F;60 times per second so the &quot;electricity flows&quot; in the &quot;correct&quot; direction? Imagine a carbon fibre box around the fuse with that logo on it, containing one of those $0.02 fuses which they sell for $160 and a stark warning not to look inside the box or the magic will disappear. Add $1000 to the price and some audiophile snob will buy it.
walrus01超过 3 年前
If you google &quot;expensive audiophile ethernet cable&quot;, you can buy some $3000 to $10,000 cables to go with your new switch.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?client=firefox-b-d&amp;q=expensive+audiophile+ethernet+cable" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?client=firefox-b-d&amp;q=expensive...</a>
marcodiego超过 3 年前
Analysis of rocks (like stones, not the rolling ones) for audiophiles: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.adventuresinhifiaudio.com&#x2F;26&#x2F;01&#x2F;2018&#x2F;audiophile-rocks-down-the-rabbit-hole-once-again&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.adventuresinhifiaudio.com&#x2F;26&#x2F;01&#x2F;2018&#x2F;audiophile-r...</a><p>&quot;This wasn&#x27;t a subtle improvement and yet I did a fair few Volcano on, Volcano off comparisons before I could really accept what I was hearing. In all honesty despite hearing the positive effects the Vibradome Blue star had made to my other system I was still shocked and surprised this item could make such a difference by just sitting on the amps case. Its not heavy enough to damp it and yet it was making a difference and a positive one; frankly I don&#x27;t know how.&quot;
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Hokusai超过 3 年前
I really don&#x27;t know if the web is satire or for real.<p>I tried the manufacturer site: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.synergisticresearch.com&#x2F;accessories&#x2F;ethernet-switch-uef&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.synergisticresearch.com&#x2F;accessories&#x2F;ethernet-swi...</a><p>I still do not know.
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gumby超过 3 年前
At first I thought &quot;...components that might have <i>peaked</i> my interest...&quot; was surely a typo, but then I realized that at these prices you should only be buying if the product brings your interest to a lifetime high.<p>Though I suppose that would only allow you to buy a single component, as by definition only one could be at the zenith of interest. And then the rest of your life would be a letdown.
Flocular超过 3 年前
The only thing more ridicously expensive would be an NFT of an image of this switch.
kuratkull超过 3 年前
Synergistic Research seems to be selling a $30,000 audio cable at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.synergisticresearch.com&#x2F;cables&#x2F;srx-cables&#x2F;srx-sc&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.synergisticresearch.com&#x2F;cables&#x2F;srx-cables&#x2F;srx-sc...</a><p>I guess even a company like that has to see how far they can go before even their whales scream in disgust.
marcodiego超过 3 年前
The only way I can think this could make any difference is if generates less electrical noise from its internal power source or emanates less RFI that could be picked up by the rest of the audio gear.<p>I&#x27;m sure not all audiophiles are dumb and I think a few educated ones pay for expensive cables that are used for digital data. I&#x27;m really curious why.
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aljarry超过 3 年前
Let&#x27;s assume that the author actually believes that music sounds better with this hardware, and it&#x27;s not paid-for review.<p>Would it be ethical to push such person through double-blind test, which (I assume) would disprove that there is a perceivable difference?
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RedShift1超过 3 年前
This is a joke right? Have I fallen into the trap of Poe&#x27;s law?
somehnguy超过 3 年前
A sucker is born every minute I guess.
PaulDavisThe1st超过 3 年前
I mean, c&#x27;mon, how can this be real (same company):<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.synergisticresearch.com&#x2F;accessories&#x2F;turntable&#x2F;uef-record-weight&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.synergisticresearch.com&#x2F;accessories&#x2F;turntable&#x2F;ue...</a><p>I&#x27;m feeling almost convinced that this is deliberate satire.
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an-allen超过 3 年前
Shannon be damned! The only way I can surely transmit the highest quality 1 and 0 over a noisy channel isn&#x27;t through clever encoding and parity checking... its only with high quality copper. Otherwise my 1&#x27;s and 0&#x27;s will certainly degrade into 1.1&#x27;s 0.2&#x27;s and even negative values!
villuv超过 3 年前
Screw that 300km of power lines built in the 70s, it is the last half a meter that makes the difference....
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micw超过 3 年前
I doubt it works well without a golden oxygen free ethernet cable that costs at least $1,500 per meter.
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IiydAbITMvJkqKf超过 3 年前
Connecting your home audio system to a personal utility pole can create even better midranges.
Nav_Panel超过 3 年前
I am so so glad these guys exist: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.audiosciencereview.com&#x2F;forum&#x2F;index.php" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.audiosciencereview.com&#x2F;forum&#x2F;index.php</a>
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allears超过 3 年前
If you think this is interesting, check out the $10,000 &quot;ground block&quot; the same company sells. Supposed to align your audio with the &quot;Schumann Resonance.&quot; The mind boggles.
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KingMachiavelli超过 3 年前
I swear there must be a form of tinnitus which is only present when you are actively listening to something such that people are convinced the sound is some ground feedback loop.
rubatuga超过 3 年前
This author is deluding him&#x2F;herself. Oh well, not my money.
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jgalt212超过 3 年前
Beware of the jitter, that&#x27;s what the audiophiles say.<p>But like how much buffer do you need to completely eliminate any effects of jitter?
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fennecfoxen超过 3 年前
I bet if you figured out a way to offer this with fiber-optic 10GbE to the music server, you could double your margins.
RedShift1超过 3 年前
Interestingly the comments on the article are moderated. Needs approval before publicly visible. Some website...
beej71超过 3 年前
You haters just don&#x27;t understand how much _fuller_ a `1` bit sounds when it passes through this switch!
mindcrime超过 3 年前
Clearly I am in the wrong business. Starting tomorrow, I&#x27;m going to set up shop selling high-end audiophile gear. Our first product will be a series of speaker cables, enhanced with cadmium for better alignment of the electromagnetic fields. Price, $700.00 USD &#x2F; foot. If you have to ask how much the special gold-plated connectors cost, you can&#x27;t afford them.
lormayna超过 3 年前
It costs like a 2960S with 24 GigE + 4 SFP with lot of more advanced features.
jasonpeacock超过 3 年前
Tell me you don&#x27;t understand technology without telling me....
freitasm超过 3 年前
This has to be a joke.
Wolfenstein98k超过 3 年前
A fool and his money.
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