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The empathy gap, or why good-seeming ideas fail

63 点作者 iroh2727超过 3 年前

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rp1超过 3 年前
Your experience rings true to me. It&#x27;s one of my biggest frustrations with ML at the moment. There are so many ideas I&#x27;d like to try, but I know only a small fraction of them will work, and discovering which of the ideas fail and which succeed is a herculean task. Your conclusion that empathy helps may also be true, but I have a different take.<p>It currently takes way too much time to explore ML-based ideas. I compare this to the early days of computer programming where programmers needed to manually fill out punch cards, and doing anything took days of full time work. There is lots of room for improvement along every step of the ML pipeline, from data wrangling, model choice, training, and evaluation. Good ML tooling will likely bring huge gains in the field.
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mistrial9超过 3 年前
This writeup is to be commended for courage and initiative, but to <i>this reader</i> falls terribly in the wisdom category<p>&gt; attempt and inability to <i>empathize</i> with the model<p>&gt; watch the tree frog jump with excitement<p>&gt; intimacy with the model ?!?<p>my feedback on this essay is that I needed many, many years of psychological study, mindfulness practice and real-life relationship experience to <i>untangle</i> my youthful spirit of life from my intellectual interests. I see both joy and tragedy in mixing your maths and your hormones. The metaphors of insight here are just not mixable, and I believe you are not alone in that.
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mensetmanusman超过 3 年前
“ I’d go so far as to estimate the failure rate of good-seeming ideas to be at least 90%. “<p>I’m a scientist in materials research and this rate of failure holds as well. The reasons are multifaceted and kind of interesting. The nice thing about ML is that it doesn’t take 5 years to know if it has failed yet :) (Pharma is worse, it can be greater than ones entire career).
iroh2727超过 3 年前
Hi HN peeps, I did a write-up on the major lessons I learned doing ML research at Google and PathAI, including my time working with Samy Bengio and Ian Goodfellow.<p>The main questions I&#x27;m curious to answer are (1) why do so many good-seeming ideas fail? and (2) what should we do about it? So I&#x27;m curious to know y&#x27;alls answers on those questions too.
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ZeroGravitas超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m surprised that someone who actually works with AI would personify their models. Is that common? Does it help or is it just something we find hard to avoid doing?