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The Fishback ramjet revisited

68 点作者 programd超过 3 年前

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PaulHoule超过 3 年前
I find it very hard to believe.<p>If you were trying to make the CNO cycle<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;CNO_cycle" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;CNO_cycle</a><p>work with an interstellar ramjet you would have to stop interstellar H (drag!), retain it in a reactor for a timescale of tens of minutes because of the beta decay that is part of the cycle and continue to retain almost all of the heavy (compared to Helium) elements and vent only Helium and maybe some hydrogen (like the space shuttle main engine this is great for Isp.)<p>Unless you have a triple-alpha line<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Triple-alpha_process" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Triple-alpha_process</a><p>that can synthesize carbon from helium you would be stuck with whatever inventory of C,N,O you started with and you&#x27;d slowly lose it.<p>It seems much more transformative to interstellar travel that you can brake yourself with a magsail at the destination. The drag is very real but any thrust from the Bussard ramjet seems elusive.
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PaulHoule超过 3 年前
I&#x27;d like to see some serious work on the other proposal for &quot;living off the land&quot; in interstellar space.<p>We know comets and other interstellar bodies contain a lot of hydrogen which has a higher deuterium content than hydrogen on Earth.<p>Designs such as ITER and stellerators should scale up with increasing size and it&#x27;s plausible that D+D fusion could be developed on the existing path. In fact a very large &quot;inertial confinement&quot; fusion device was fired based on D+D<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ivy_Mike" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ivy_Mike</a><p>and got a massive positive energy return.<p>D+D fusion produces He3 and T, both which are better-burning fuels than D+D. These can be burnt all the way up to He4 in one big reactor, but one can imagine a system that separates out some He3 and T to be burned in smaller secondary reactors. D + T fusion produces terrible neutron radiation but you can let the T sit and it decays with a 12-year half life to He3 and use the much cleaner D + He3 reaction in secondary reactors with favorable scaling, less shielding, no breeding system, etc.<p>Those travelers only need to get to the next comet so they don&#x27;t need to be terribly fast, but the great advantage they have is a sustainable lifestyle even if they never arrive at another star -- those kinds of travelers might not find planetary systems interesting at all.
wrs超过 3 年前
As a Larry Niven and Poul Anderson fan, this is a disappointing analysis. But as a human, I love that, despite all the craziness going on, people are still writing papers like this.
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BruceEel超过 3 年前
&gt; It is very unlikely that even Kardashev Civilizations of type II might build magnetic ramjets with axial solenoids.<p>Well, this is a bummer. So, likely unfeasible for type I and II, certainly unfeasible for us... and type III, if they exist, would consider it a toy?
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shadowgovt超过 3 年前
&gt; The authors declare that they have no known competing financial interests or personal relationships that could have appeared to influence the work reported in this paper.<p>I know it&#x27;s boilerplate, but I appreciate the authors&#x27; explicit declaration here that they&#x27;re not in the pocket of Big Dyson Swarm.
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mikehollinger超过 3 年前
Side topic: Star Trek&#x27;s Federation starships feature a Bussard collector [1] at the front of the engine nacelles. It&#x27;s frankly fun that the writers managed to keep touch points back to actual science to rationalize their design choices. There&#x27;s some great writing about the logic behind the first design of the Enterprise from the original series here. [2]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;memory-alpha.fandom.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Bussard_collector" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;memory-alpha.fandom.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Bussard_collector</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forgottentrek.com&#x2F;designing-the-first-enterprise&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forgottentrek.com&#x2F;designing-the-first-enterprise&#x2F;</a>
SideburnsOfDoom超过 3 年前
&gt; The cut-off speeds are orders of magnitude lower than thought before.<p>So what are they? (ideally to the nearest 5% of C)
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