Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

By far the best part is they didn&#x27;t automatically cancel his subscription. What a horrible company, if you&#x27;ve banned my account that&#x27;s fine but cancel the subscription and refund my money.<p>If y&#x27;all haven&#x27;t looked at it yet, read up on the FCC&#x27;s filing against Match. They knowingly prompt up tons of fake profiles, to get you engaged. Horrifically this has lead to romance scams being the number one source of fraud in the US. I had one particularly scary experience and after that I don&#x27;t use any dating apps.<p>But it&#x27;s worked out very well, I did have to move to a new city too, but I&#x27;ve been able to meet so many amazing girls in real life. I&#x27;m also in a much better place emotionally, if you&#x27;re staring at your phone constantly waiting for box to message you, that&#x27;s not good for your mind. Your mind. It makes everything 10 times of stressful, for fraction of the benefit.<p>When I actually meet someone, It was always someone who is in their mid-20s to 30s without a job. In real life, everyone I&#x27;ve gone out with has had a decent job, due to another scary experience I don&#x27;t go out with people who aren&#x27;t working.

From Tinder&#x27;s ToS:<p>&gt; Tinder may terminate your account at any time without notice if it believes that you have violated this Agreement. Upon such termination, you will not be entitled to any refund for purchases.<p>&gt; For residents of the Republic of Korea, except in the case [...], we will without delay notify you of the reason for taking the relevant step.<p>They openly say in advance that they&#x27;ll ban users who they <i>think</i> violated their terms, regardless of whether they actually did, keep their money, and never tell them why, except in South Korea where they already know that crap doesn&#x27;t fly. It&#x27;s only a matter of time till that gets thrown out by more courts in more countries. Until then, it seems foolish to give them any money.

IMO, if your market share is bigger than ${some number}, you shouldn&#x27;t be able to deny service without a documented reason, it should have some sort of time-to-live (i.e 1 year), and there should be an appeals process. In a functioning marketplace, companies would be naturally incentivized to care about customers but that stops working in uncompetitive industries (which currently describes most of the economy).

It has always been like that on Tinder. My phone number can&#x27;t create a new account for example (never receive the confirmation code). That&#x27;s called shadowban in the case of OP. Bumble started doing the same practices a year ago (which makes sense as they have the same founder)<p>But they are not 100% wrong, Tinder is not here to make people meet each other. They are here to make money and people don&#x27;t pay because they get more matches, they pay because they are frustrated. Tinder needs a way to keep girls active on the platform, and for that to works they have to prevent boys to have a negative behavior. That&#x27;s why they shadowban guys easily, as soon as they detect non standard behavior they shadowban, people keep seeing profile and keep paying. Girls don&#x27;t see those profiles and have a better experience overall and stays longer, which makes guys stays longer because FOMO of matching the one.<p>This has nothing to do with Big tech. If you want to meet people don&#x27;t use Tinder, that used to work well in the past, it very rarely works now.<p>EDIT: And FYI if you want to exit shadowban on Tinder, it is pretty well documented on r&#x2F;SwipeHelper, you need to change: phone, phone number, Facebook account, Credit card, pictures and don&#x27;t login from the same IP

Tinder and Bumble are the same form of awful and from the same founder. These apps are designed to exploit men. There are a fewer number of women on them and plenty of men, as a result they design features like boost, super likes, and premium subscriptions that you <i>must</i> pay for every month. There are studies and data that show that even normally attractive men with good profiles will go unswiped while women will get hundreds[1][2]. You then have to deal with a dating scene where you are knowingly competing with other men for a woman&#x27;s attention while having very little in the form of options. The irony behind a TOS like this is it&#x27;s designed to prevent bad behavior, but the entire underlying system generates <i>more</i> bad behavior. This is not to even mention the number of OnlyFans, prostitution, and people lying about their sexual orientation that users will need to sift through.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Bumble&#x2F;comments&#x2F;riwo34&#x2F;finally_got_my_swipe_data_weeks_after_i_deleted&#x2F;?utm_medium=android_app&amp;utm_source=share" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Bumble&#x2F;comments&#x2F;riwo34&#x2F;finally_got_...</a><p>[2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Bumble&#x2F;comments&#x2F;p3aeqq&#x2F;dont_assume_that_your_match_ratio_is_a_reflection&#x2F;?utm_medium=android_app&amp;utm_source=share" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Bumble&#x2F;comments&#x2F;p3aeqq&#x2F;dont_assume_...</a>

This is basically the paradigm of any monopolistic or near monopolistic system. You can screw over a small minority without provoking a real response so long as you are appeasing or distracting the majority. Big tech, traditional companies, and even government.

I know &quot;don&#x27;t use social networks made by evil megacorps that make money by trampling all over your privacy and making you addicted&quot; is the kind of advice everyone sagely nods at but no one heeds. But it <i>especially</i> applies to dating apps. Like the proverbial sausages, once you know what goes on under the hood you won&#x27;t ever feel like touching one of them with a ten foot pole.

I just lost my IG account after having it for literally a decade. Short story: I thought my engagement was low, so I manually went through my not-very-large follower list (2400 or so) in the IG app, identified about 100 accounts that I thought were bots (accounts that were following 6000+ people), and then went to each one and removed them as a follower. I made it about 40 in when suddenly I got meaningless errors, logged out, and that was it. My account no longer exists.<p>All of the avenues to contact Instagram are meaningless and don’t lead anywhere. There are no actual humans anywhere that review these things. No one cares when their crap algorithm screws up and deletes your 1000 photos and memories and all the interactions you had with your friends.<p>The irony is I got kicked out for doing something that should be their job.

I have a story to share too: I talked a considerable time with a girl from another country and was about to travel to visit her. Then, I started having mixed feelings, wasn&#x27;t sure about everything, decided to stop, told her and she got angry (well, until that moment I understood her quite well).<p>A while later I tried to use Tinder again, and my account was banned. I don&#x27;t really remember how I discovered it, if she told me, or a representative told me, but the thing was: She report me as I had verbally abused her, mistreated her and shada shada, because she was angry I dumped her.<p>So they closed my account without even checking our conversations at least (there was no insults or nothing at all)

My 2¢; OP should do a charge-back. If anything bots don&#x27;t do chargebacks.<p>While you have no recourse in free services, you do when you pay with a credit card. Likewise the CC will still charge Tinder the processing fee of 1%-3%, so every chargeback is not only revenue lost but also a cost.<p>Unfortunately all that advice is void if OP used a debit card.

This exact thing happened to me, one day my long (years) standing account was just banned, and I had recently created a subscription. No repeal, nothing. What I ended up doing, was changing my subscription to a HIGHER tier, which refunds you the difference of the lower tier. Then CANCELLING the now new higher tier, which refunds you the new subscription amount. All through iOS subscription management. Seriously fuck Tinder.

I was just banned by EA&#x2F;DICE for cheating, hacking or exploiting in Battlefield 2042. I&#x27;m not sure which, as I did none of those things (or if I did, I wasn&#x27;t aware of it - but I expect it&#x27;s unlikely that you can accidentally break those rules). After asking support for more information, they listed the same reasons that were originally emailed to me - cheating, hacking or exploiting the game. No further information given.<p>Luckily I bought it on Amazon so I&#x27;ll be refunding through them, and I expect my Origin account to be banned as a result - however it sucks to deal with these hardline policies with zero transparency when you&#x27;re on the wrong side of the algorithm.<p>EDIT: After reading more about false-positive bans, it seems these days having the wrong driver installed (as some hacks pretend to be software that communicates through that &quot;bad&quot; driver) or running peripheral scripts (like mouse macros) can cause a ban. I wasn&#x27;t using macros and I don&#x27;t have peripherals capable of running them (eg Logitech G series).

Once had a bank that decided that I had met a annual limit of foreign exchange swift orders and because of that I couldn’t receive my salary from the foreign company I worked for. Sent then my contract, links to my face and name on the company’s about page and they simply decided I was probably some kind of terrorist or drug trafficker or whatever. Thankfully was able to transfer the order to another bank and later sue the first bank and win

&gt; &quot;In the future, people will be trying to please the algorithm. They will double-check if what they are doing right now could be considered by algorithms as something strange, something that most people wouldn’t do.&quot;<p>This is literally the day-to-day of anyone trying to leverage their profile on any social media account. Endlessly chasing after the algorithm, trying to&quot; hack it&quot; by keeping up to date on its moods and preferences. As someone who used to roll that way, I can attest. The future has been around for years now.

Any time someone else has control of your content or you need them, they can get rid of you. It&#x27;s not limited to Big Tech; I was 12 when COPPA went into effect and I lost everything online because I hadn&#x27;t lied when I signed up (because it was perfectly legal for an elementary school kid to have things like an email address and web hosting). All my contacts&#x2F;friends, all my work that wasn&#x27;t stored locally (which was a fair amount), etc. Similarly to things like Tinder bans, there WAS an option in law for me to keep my accounts, but it would have required effort on behalf of the companies, so they just deleted everything.<p>Any centralization, policy, or algorithms that work based on an assumption of default&#x2F;normal behavior will punish outliers (unless this is accounted for). This guy obviously was one such outlier for Tinder.<p>&gt; In the future, people will be trying to please the algorithm. They will double-check if what they are doing right now could be considered by algorithms as something strange, something that most people wouldn’t do.<p>Assuming people understand the algorithms; there&#x27;s an incentive on the part of companies to keep them opaque. It will be more akin to a religion where people GUESS which actions anger the algorithm and companies and get very mad when others don&#x27;t agree. Which is worse.

This reminds me of my ban from Gumtree. I had issues making a post because I was using uMatrix which blocks (the malicious) reCAPTCHA that they use to block spam posts. With no errors about the missing reCAPTCHA script on the screen and just redirecting me to the submission after what seemed like a sever error, I just tried to resubmit my listing 3 times in a row. I got banned. I emailed them along the lines of &quot;hey, I&#x27;m not a bot and I looked into it and it seems there&#x27;s an issue with reCAPTCHA and error reporting&quot;. I got a response that for asking about ban and asking about reCAPTCHA, I was going to have my account, email address, and IP banned. What a joke.

Why do people use a service that has a written history of all your embarrassing hookups in the first place?<p>In the past, intelligence agencies used to devote time and money to get such compromising information. Now people give it out for free.

It definitely does seem possible to me to violate terms of service without any likes or matches. We don&#x27;t know what was on their profile.

Something to do with where he&#x27;d travelled I would guess.<p>I lost an account a few years ago at the same time I was geospoofing on my phone for something totally unrelated. I guess it flagged on Tinder&#x27;s side and that was that account gone. Fortunately I didn&#x27;t think there was any soulmate lost as a result but I could see that being painful if I&#x27;d been talking to someone for a while.<p>On the other hand Tinder is going to be a huge target for romance scammers and other dodgy types and people on it are vulnerable so they&#x27;ve got to have a robust defence mechanism.<p>It&#x27;s the lack of recourse to fair adjudication that is the problem - online dating is one of the most common ways of meeting a partner these days and the many platforms are owned by a couple of companies so getting blacklisted by Tinder could also see you barred from Match.com, OkCupid, Hinge and PlentyOfFish - quite serious stuff if you&#x27;re looking for a partner especially in the current climate.

Given the constant commodization of data science, I wonder how long it will take till there is a dating app that really knows you well, while keeping privacy in tact. And matches people with the goal to actually match properly.<p>Tinder, and every dating app I know out there, is directly incentivized to _not_ match properly, but rather to keep you on the app as long as possible. As long as the bottom line is directly influenced by the amount of unmatched users, the dating app will not work with you, but rather against you.

Just head over to reveddit.com and look at a few controversial subreddits without the shadow-banning. It&#x27;s truly terrifying to see the true scale of censorship and ghost-banning in big tech right now.

Getting banned from Tinder is like getting banned from a bar. Just go somewhere else.

What this is:<p>- no due process<p>- no way to reverse their decision<p>- no way to appeal their decision<p>they are judge, jury, and executioner<p>And this is fine, unless you are a company providing a what would now be considered a critical service to the public (even if for pay).

This is presented as a problem with &quot;big tech&quot;, but I don&#x27;t think most people would consider Tinder (Match Group) to be big tech? Instead, this kind of problem where you get flagged with no explanation or recourse seems to be common to consumer tech of all but the smallest scale. It&#x27;s just very expensive to provide high quality individual support.

A couple of years ago Tinder only hid the profile pics with CSS in their web client so I installed a custom css to get the functionality you had to pay for free.<p>Unfortunately, as I recently got single again I discovered that this wasn&#x27;t possible anymore.<p>To be more on topic, Tinder is a very american company. I haven&#x27;t had personal issues with the company but I think their new features of weird matching from some shitty interactive videos is a sign of classic over-engineering. It seems like the app is &quot;done&quot;. Maybe they should focus on creating something else than add useless features that no one seems to use ( at least where I am from ).

Where&#x27;s your Tinder bio in this article? I can&#x27;t imagine creating a new account and publishing something obscene on any social platform today without being flagged or worse.

You were already shadowbanned permanently, that&#x27;s why you had 0 likes. There is no difference between that and having no account at all since you cannot interact with any broads. By removing your account, they did you a favour in a sense.<p>Get a burner SIM card with a new number and create another profile. Easy as that.

This happened to me because I uploaded a picture holding a pepper from my garden that Tinder&#x27;s AI flagged as phallic. To a human being, it was no more phallic than any other pepper and definitely not sexualized. Tinder refused to manually review the photo so I was banned with no recourse.

&quot;Big tech permabanned me and doesn&#x27;t mind false positives&quot;<p>Isn&#x27;t this often the case with humans minus the algorithm making the decision? Many times of the few times I&#x27;ve been in trouble, with HR, the law, or whatever authority you realize doing things that seem bad but aren&#x27;t actually bad is almost as dangerous as doing something actually harmful because turns out humans aren&#x27;t very good judges of ambiguous cases in low information environments.<p>Even when not ambiguous humans by and large don&#x27;t have a good grasp of what is or isn&#x27;t moral. And they typically show a large lack of empathic ability for how their actions will effect others.

&gt; It’s fine if it’s tinder, but what are you gonna do when the same will happen with your bank application<p>That&#x27;s literally how loan applications work now: banks compute all the information they can glean on you to determine a risk index.<p>Do something the algorithm has considered risky and you get charged more for the same amount of money another person can get. And the algorithm considers it &quot;risky&quot; to not use banks; if you have no history of having owned a credit card, for instance, the bank trusts you less than a person who has carried all manner of debt for years (but paid it down consistently).

Once a tech company has greater than, say, 60% market share, it probably makes sense for society to give the company an ‘I won’ sticker and start treating them some what like a utility.

Well, well, well. Let&#x27;s recap some popular HN opinions that have surfaced lately:<p><i>What Problem Blockchains Solve</i><p>mrjin: centralized organizations are there for reasons, and block chain resolved none of them<p><i>The Web3 Fraud</i><p>endisneigh: In fact in the history of the internet I cannot find a single example of any technology working better in a decentralized fashion compared to centralized for the end user<p><i>The Handwavy Technobabble Nothingburger</i><p>Stephen Diehl: Any application that could be done on a blockchain could be better done on a centralized database. Except crime.

Tinder is a sucky way to meet people anyway, when more people realize it and stop using it, that is when the change will come. P.S: Kyiv not Kiev

Curious what OP may have done &quot;wrong&quot;, I read a bit of the Tinder TOS and found this juicy nugget:<p>&gt; YOU UNDERSTAND THAT TINDER DOES NOT CONDUCT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS ON ITS MEMBERS OR OTHERWISE INQUIRE INTO THE BACKGROUND OF ITS MEMBERS. TINDER MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES AS TO THE CONDUCT OR COMPATIBILITY OF MEMBERS. TINDER RESERVES THE RIGHT TO CONDUCT – AND YOU AUTHORIZE TINDER TO CONDUCT – ANY CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK OR OTHER SCREENINGS (SUCH AS SEX OFFENDER REGISTER SEARCHES) AT ANY TIME USING AVAILABLE PUBLIC RECORDS OBTAINED BY IT OR WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF A CONSUMER REPORTING AGENCY, AND YOU AGREE THAT ANY INFORMATION YOU PROVIDE MAY BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE.<p>1. You understand that Tinder does not perform background checks.<p>2. Everything you provide to Tinder and everything Tinder can find out about you may be used to perform a background check at Tinder&#x27;s whim.<p>Classic.<p>But, my guess is that he was ruled to be &quot;spamming&quot; because he sent evidence of liking a (probably fake) user more than once in an attempt to test if the app was working.

Big Tech has nothing to do with it, as the tech is spreading everywhere, and to the governments as well.<p>I was filling out a government form for a relative of mine to get on a plane (Covid-19 regulations). After filling out all the relevant details, I got the negative answer &quot;BOARDING DENIED&quot; because &quot;You are not in compliance with all the regulations&quot;.<p>It never said _which_ regulation of these &quot;all&quot; we weren&#x27;t in compliance with, exactly.<p>It took me hours to get to an intelligent person in the ministry hotline, if we skip the &quot;try again&quot; and &quot;try from another PC&quot; and &quot;you&#x27;ve tried too many times and so are banned&quot; guys. After some convincing, they agreed to fill out the form for us. It turned out the system expects TWO vaccination dates, not one, to give its permission, although never says so clearly.<p>With Tinder, you can move to another platform, but when the government tech decides whether or not you&#x27;re allowed to board the plane, they usually monopolize that.

A typical complaint about getting banned with a thin veneer of &quot;big tech bad&quot; to make it seem worthwhile to the reader.

&gt; In the future, people will be trying to please the algorithm. They will double-check if what they are doing right now could be considered by algorithms as something strange, something that most people wouldn’t do.<p>That&#x27;s the real &quot;Terminator&quot; of today. It&#x27;s not time-travelling killer robots (yet?). It&#x27;s letting algorithms deciding the fate of humans. That&#x27;s especially problematic if the developers of those algorithms don&#x27;t even understand them (yes, I&#x27;m looking at you, neutral networks).<p>Tinder is one thing, but imagine some algorithm identifies you as a terrorist. E.g., via cameras at every airport. My favorite example is a couple that ordered a steam cooker and a backpack online. Some days later some federal agents knocked at their door. Apparently, these two items raise flags in their algorithms.

This sounds very behooving of a dating app: it preemptively gives 0 chances to the &quot;iffy guy&quot; and rejects them so the dating person doesn&#x27;t have to. I am still not sure to what extent the problem is with this social norm vs. with how it is being &quot;reflected&quot; by Tinder.

This is pretty disturbing considering how necessary dating apps are today.<p>Let&#x27;s say you get banned from Tinder and consequently Bumble. What do you do now? You can create fake accounts, but they&#x27;ll eventually find you. Coffee Meets Bagel? Plenty of Fish? Match.com? <i>Don&#x27;t make me laugh.</i><p>It&#x27;s already bad enough that women find it strange that a guy doesn&#x27;t have an Instagram account (this has been my experience 90% of the time), but at least as someone who is dating you can work your way around that. But if you get shut out of even 1 of the few main dating apps, you&#x27;ve lost a massive pool of dates and potential life partners. Unless something has changed since my foray into that scene, these days those apps are pretty much a requirement for getting any meaning amount of dates.<p>I can&#x27;t help but feel bad for the younger generations of today. I was fortunate to come of age during the tail end of where it was still largely acceptable to meet and approach women IRL while online dating was kind of a sideshow. Today, what were once the best places to meet other young single people, are not only where it&#x27;s become unacceptable to meet new people at bars and clubs or meetups but they also are the places with the most COVID-masking (yes, this DOES affect attraction and being able to read the other person). For most young guys and girls, you&#x27;re probably stuck with Tinder and Bumble unless you are a 9 or above.<p>The other day I got permabanned from Nextdoor, not because I did anything wrong, but because I didn&#x27;t use my real name. Of course the name that I used <i>is</i> the name that I use in real life and as a professional. I logged in one day to find that I had absolutely no access to my account. There was no read-only access to my messages, my activity, settings, or anything. Just a page that said I&#x27;d been banned for not using my real name but that I could contact their customer service or whatever. Imagine if that happens to you on Tinder right as you&#x27;re about to ask someone on a date, or to your Wells Fargo account as you just got a paycheck and are ready to make that big purchase.

I got permabanned when I tried logging in from my phone with oss android installed. In Tinder&#x27;s defense I imagine my phone&#x27;s system might have looked similar to that of spammers leading to a false-positive, so I don&#x27;t mind the ban itself.<p>What I do mind was that their official stance is that they don&#x27;t reverse bans for any reason. Creating a new account is against their terms of service, so in theory I am locked out of one of the primary ways my generation finds partners.<p>In the country I live, the competitors don&#x27;t have user bases nearly large enough to compete so Tinder is effectively a monopoly. With Tinder&#x27;s enormous market-power comes great responsibility, and they have in my eyes failed to live up to it.

&gt; It’s fine if it’s tinder, but what are you gonna do when the same will happen with your bank application...<p>It&#x27;s happened with people&#x27;s banks (or &quot;banks&quot;). Earlier this year the fintech middleman Chime began closing accounts without notice or giving customers whose accounts they closed access to their funds.[0]<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;gadgets&#x2F;2021&#x2F;07&#x2F;the-chime-banking-app-has-been-closing-accounts-not-returning-money&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;gadgets&#x2F;2021&#x2F;07&#x2F;the-chime-banking-ap...</a>

My biggest frustration with tinder is that paying to get rid of arbitrary limitations like limited swipes doesn&#x27;t really help you.<p>The only way unlimited swipes fixes the numbers game of dating is if everyone gets them.

Big tech would be if your ban from tinder causes you to lose access to your email, your productivity tools, and your income.<p>If getting banned without good justification is the problem, the problem is with all tech services

This is the kind of thing you need an ombudsman for. Screwing over a small proportion of people, but still a lot of people, in a way that they can&#x27;t reasonably pursue by themselves.

It&#x27;s worth pointing out that there is an explanation for this set of responses from tinder that makes complete sense and is relatively non-dystopian: Someone submitted a complaint about the author from his past usage of tinder, maybe even one specifically designed to get him banned. Tinder would never disclose the cause in that case in order to protect the identity of the complainant, nor should they be expected to. But in either case they should not have continued to charge him...

False positives are indeed a major problem with bigtech. Just got into the situation myself when I was traveling to France and wanted to order some food with Deliveroo. Their antifraud systems banned me without any option to prove my legitimacy. Needless to say I just normally wanted to order something to eat, and I later used Uber Eats without any problems. Permanent ban without procedure to correct antifraud false positive (most likely due to my bank card issued outside of France).

This is actually wonderful (for him). Tinder is terrible. There&#x27;s not enough space for a real profile (that nobody reads anyway) so everyone just goes based on pictures and humorous quips, leading to everyone becoming a stereotype. There&#x27;s definitely no more than 6 different kinds of profiles on Tinder.<p>Go make friends in person and meet dates through normal social interactions. Sounds crazy but it has an impressive track record.

The problem is lack of fair and impartial judicial review.<p>Every one has a fundamental right to appeal, to have their day in court.

I am almost certain that Bumble shadow banned me as well (mostly over my past political and public spotlight). Switched to hinge, much better platform. I am very very bearish on Bumble, lots of fake profiles and shenanigans going on at Bumble.

Making a blind guess for the 1st day ban, did author use someone else&#x27;s photos?

This is approximately half the plot of Terry Gilliam&#x27;s movie &quot;Brazil&quot;

Why did this person set up a new tinder account?<p>&quot;That is something that never happened to me before&quot;<p>How if you&#x27;re a first time user? Sounds like they already had a tinder account at some point. This is clickbait at best...

This was unique to PayPal in the previous decade since we were one of the few(only) tech platforms dealing with money then. Kinda fun to see other monetized tech platforms failing in spectacular ways. :)

the crazy thing is that most people meet online these days and since tinder and hinge are owned by the same media umbrella company and are the most popular dating apps, if you get banned from both its like your are nearly banned from the dating pool. stay with me, while i realize this sounds ridiculous, things have drastically changed in the dating world. especially with covid-19 adding that extra layer of caution making &quot;cold approaches&quot; nearly obsolete

There’s a service called DoNotPay that helps file legal requests to unban you. They’re obviously not miracle workers, but I’m curious whether litigation would slow them down.

This sounds super weird, unless this person had photos with forbidden content on it.<p>But anyway, creating a new profile is not so hard (given the number of catfish still on the platform)

All major companies are like this. I.E.: Google Accounts, Reddit, etc...<p>I am in the process of finding alternate non-reddit sources to match my reddit subs... and moving out of Google.

I know its only 12$ but I hope this guy aggressively tries to get it back. The only way we get support departments is if these fuckups become expensive.

I&#x27;m banned from Tinder for years now, because I once uploaded a meme.<p>They said images that don&#x27;t show me are against the terms of service.

Note to readers: OP says &quot;permabanned&quot; but he really means &quot;shadowbanned&quot;&#x2F;&quot;hellbanned.&quot;<p>Cc @dang

How do we know they didn&#x27;t violate the terms of service or community guidelines? It&#x27;s entirely possible to do so simply by uploading photos and filling out your profile. Since they provide neither, it&#x27;s impossible to tell whether the decision is justified or not. There are plenty of things I can think of that they could have done that would have required zero interactions but been in violation of the community guidelines[0].<p>Also I have no idea who this person is, their about page is empty and Google results are ambiguous at best, so I have no reason to trust their account of what happened.<p>The point about big tech seems tangential and isn&#x27;t exactly a novel insight. As for this: &quot;Of course, they cannot name you the reason as this could be later used against them and their proprietary algorithm. How could they?&quot; This is not a problem with &quot;big tech&quot; but with lack of transparency and is a consumer protection issue. The GDPR for example requires automated rulings to offer the option to appeal and have the ruling be reviewed by a human. It would be trivial to change the law so consumers would have the right to be told which part of the ToS they allegedly violated if a contract is terminated over a ToS violation. But there is nothing about this problem that is unique to &quot;big tech&quot;.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;policies.tinder.com&#x2F;community-guidelines&#x2F;intl&#x2F;en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;policies.tinder.com&#x2F;community-guidelines&#x2F;intl&#x2F;en</a>

Do a chargeback with your credit card provider, at least you can twist the knife back a bit.

Those dating apps are fucking awful. Go meet real people in real life.

Unrelated side note: Friend of mine was about to marry this girl and as soon as she got her green card she dipped. Another friend of mine met some girl on Duo, bringing her to the states like hmm... do I tell him? Oh well.<p>Tinder is brutal though, not something I did great on.

FWIW I seldom got any likes on Tinder in USA. I would consider myself in the top 10% of my own country in height and looks but not the same in USA. I realized that US women do not consider me attractive at least based on limited data that a Tinder card shows.

This feels very &quot;yadda yadda yadda&quot; to me.<p>I suspect there&#x27;s a reason. I suspect someone knows. And I suspect there&#x27;s bits of this story that&#x27;s being left off.

We need some regulation here please.

Bumble banned Sharon Stone and then backtracked when they realized who she was.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nme.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;film&#x2F;sharon-stones-bumble-dating-profile-has-finally-been-restored-2607744" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nme.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;film&#x2F;sharon-stones-bumble-dating-pr...</a>

Tinder is cancer, who cares.

Certainly it&#x27;s Big Tech that knows who should you mate with. Never questions our overlords please.

This is the better world though. Would you rather have a dating app with no users or so many that they can&#x27;t possibly fully investigate every false-positive?

Just call credit card center for a refund and get a burner number…not a big deal.<p>Regarding banks: get some Bitcoin just in case, as it can be much worse when banks ban you.

Maybe don&#x27;t refer to women as &quot;girls&quot;? Unless you are seeking romance with girls. Either way, I&#x27;m suspicious already and can see why a service intended to match adults with other adults (i.e., not girls) would be creeped out by you.