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The state of external retina displays

379 点作者 zain超过 3 年前

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urthor超过 3 年前
&gt; Ridiculous Option: Apple Pro Display XDR<p>I&#x27;ll admit, a monitor that costs more than my first car is beyond affordable for 99% of the population.<p>But saying that, many of the people reading this are pulling truly exotic salaries right now. After devoting untold hours to reaching the top of their profession.<p>Let&#x27;s say you&#x27;re a professional earning $300k plus in software.<p>You&#x27;re often working 100% remote, using your monitor 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, <i>just for work</i>. Plus untold hours of HackerNews (strictly after 5pm of course).<p>I just find that&#x27;s truly not an unlikely situation to be in.<p>Without reference to the technical merits of the Apple Display, I don&#x27;t think dropping $5000 on a monitor is outlandish for any professional in the situation I&#x27;ve described.<p>My hairdresser for example has a $4000 pair of <i>scissors</i>. He uses the damn things every day, and he sharpens them twice a day.<p>Whilst it&#x27;s not <i>essential</i>, taking pride and investing in the tools of your trade is not a thing to frown upon.
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____________g超过 3 年前
I have been waiting for good external Retina displays for <i>years</i>. That the situation has not improved after all this time is incredibly frustrating. Why is no display manufacturer [0] interested in setting itself apart by producing and marketing a lineup of reasonably priced external pixel-doubled (~200 ppi) displays? For some reason everything must be 16:9 and 4K with no regards to display size, resulting in some very awkward pixel densities. The fact that Apple is able to mass-manufacture a 5k display with a whole computer in it for just a little bit more than an UltraFine 5k is to me an indication that at least it’s technically feasible.<p>[0] There is LG, but these displays have their issues as the article explains.
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yrral超过 3 年前
Why is &lt;220 ppi a dealbreaker? 27 inch 4k displays seem fine to me for retina and they are quite abundant. Though I&#x27;ve tried 32 inches 4k, and there the resolution is not enough for text work.<p>Dell has a 32 inch 8k display which is ~280 ppi in stock.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dell.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;work&#x2F;shop&#x2F;dell-ultrasharp-32-8k-monitor-up3218k&#x2F;apd&#x2F;210-alez&#x2F;monitors-monitor-accessories" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dell.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;work&#x2F;shop&#x2F;dell-ultrasharp-32-8k-m...</a>
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Eric_WVGG超过 3 年前
My utterly unrealistic dream is: now that the first batch of 5k iMacs is approaching “old age,” some business would start selling kits than had the tools and instructions necessary to gut old iMacs, and a new controller board that would convert the remaining screens to basic DisplayPort displays.<p>At $300 and around $500 for an old iMac on eBay, this could be somehow both more economical and likely more reliable than the displays currently on the market (see my other message in this thread). Also it’s just going to be a pity when those beautiful old computers start hitting the landfills.
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watersb超过 3 年前
If you are considering the purchase of an old Apple Cinema Display, make sure it includes the &quot;power brick&quot; or &quot;power supply&quot;.<p>It&#x27;s a proprietary bit that combines the DVI and power onto a single cable that plugs into the back of the display.<p>Many resellers process used Apple displays just like every other brand. You don&#x27;t sell a DVI or VGA cable with a monitor. It&#x27;s no big deal.<p>But without the required Apple brick, your very nicely calibrated large LCD monitor is... just a brick.
bartq超过 3 年前
A bit of offtopic: Mini LED screens honestly are disappointing for me to some degree. The blooming is a real thing and I can see it every time there is bright content on dark background. I do accept it because there is no other better option really. I can see this blooming both on MacBook Pro 16 M1 Max and on iPad Pro 12.9. It looks especially bad when bright contents moves slowly, you can see those backlight zones edges and you can observe one zone gets turned off and other on. Awful.<p>I also own Gigabyte AERO 15 OLED laptop and I must admit I prefer this screen over Apple&#x27;s. White text on black looks amazing and to be honest feels a bit magical, like a thing floating in the air, especially if I look on this screen in a dark room. Code, terminal content looks amazing. It&#x27;s only 60Hz though, but for mostly static coding 60Hz is enough. Ubuntu works really well, so I don&#x27;t have to deal with Windows for programming work if I don&#x27;t have to.<p>I&#x27;m tempted to buy LG OLED 27EP950, it&#x27;s expensive, but honestly I&#x27;d pay those money to reproduce Gigabyte AERO 15 OLED experience on 27 screen. But I know it won&#x27;t happen, because LG screen will have worse pixel density, it&#x27;s only 4K. It should be 5K at least, or even 5.5K or even 6K.
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jasonjmcghee超过 3 年前
LG 27GN950 seems like it hits a a lot of the criteria others are discussing. It is not 220 PPI though.<p>4K IPS at 144Hz (or 120Hz depending on video card)<p>HDR<p>400 nits<p>It also rotates to portrait mode, has a built in backlight for eyestrain, is essentially borderless- and it&#x27;s $800-900.<p>Have had it over a year with no issues.
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minimaul超过 3 年前
Curious as to what people think of <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;consumer.huawei.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;monitors&#x2F;mateview&#x2F;specs&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;consumer.huawei.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;monitors&#x2F;mateview&#x2F;specs&#x2F;</a> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.co.uk&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B09C6JZPZG" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.co.uk&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B09C6JZPZG</a><p>It&#x27;s 28.2&quot; and 3840x2560 - it&#x27;s a 3:2 aspect ratio.<p>I think it&#x27;s a very tempting option.
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pseale超过 3 年前
A reasonable high-enough DPI option I&#x27;ve been watching for a while is a 55&quot; 8K TV. We&#x27;re close to the 8K utopia!<p>- HDMI 2.1 can push 8K @ 60Hz over a single cable (though I am told the colors are not full range? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;MaratTanalin&#x2F;status&#x2F;1426726300585185284" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;MaratTanalin&#x2F;status&#x2F;1426726300585185284</a> - &quot;Afaik, 8K@60Hz via HDMI 2.1 is only possible with either DSC compression or chroma subsampling — both are lossy.&quot;)<p>- A 3090 can push the pixels<p>- 8K TV prices have come down to ~$1500-$2000 - In theory, some combination of Game Mode and&#x2F;or manually turning off all forms of picture post-processing can get you into good-to-good-enough input lag<p>If you want to wait for monitor manufacturers to manufacture 8K monitors, well, while it&#x27;s inevitable, it&#x27;ll be a while. But for the bold and stout of heart, for those willing to take risks, a new adventure awaits you. 8K
distantsounds超过 3 年前
Dell P2415Q. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dell.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;work&#x2F;shop&#x2F;cty&#x2F;dell-24-ultra-hd-4k-monitor-p2415q&#x2F;spd&#x2F;dell-p2415q-monitor" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dell.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;work&#x2F;shop&#x2F;cty&#x2F;dell-24-ultra-hd-4k...</a> you can still find it in stock on Amazon despite Dell not carrying it anymore. I have one, it&#x27;s a glorious IPS panel for photo editing.
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alin23超过 3 年前
Yep, having the same problem. I&#x27;d love an Ultrawide with comparable pixel density as the 14&quot; Macbook Pro.<p>I&#x27;m sitting on a very large database of monitor data coming from Lunar&#x27;s diagnostics and error reporting (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lunar.fyi" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lunar.fyi</a>)<p>Maybe I should organize it into Postgres and then search for monitors with the PPI I want.<p>Or is there any easier solution than Postgres for fast ingesting some JSONs and filtering by arbitrarily nested fields?
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never_a-pickle超过 3 年前
The computer monitor market is at the mercy of gamers who want 1080p-1440p if it means getting 600fps in a game rather than 150fps at higher resolutions. It&#x27;s why since 2015 there has been an arms race of refresh rates rather than of resolution. We had 4-5k panels at retina in 2015, market conditions could have had us with much higher quality panels if the entire thing wasn&#x27;t catered to young, cash-strapped gamers whose opportunity cost when putting money towards a monitor is to put money towards a GPU.<p>Thankfully, as more and more public figures begin using OLED TVs instead of computer monitors, and as the monitor market takes after the larger consumer TV market, we will start to see better technologies compete with each other like OLED and FALD&#x2F;miniLED.<p>It&#x27;s a horrible time to buy a monitor right now, if you could wait even a year you should do so.<p>But keep in mind the relativity of &quot;retina&quot;. It depends just as much on viewing distance as it does PPI. There are several handy charts you can view online relating the minimum noticeable viewing distance based on PPI.
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pedrocr超过 3 年前
By defining Retina as 220PPI most options are excluded as 4K at 27&quot; or 32&quot; is common but more isn&#x27;t. A look at what Apple calls Retina though shows that angular density is a much better definition. The initial presentation by Jobs was about angular resolution and the actual screens follow it. PPI ranges from 218 to 476 but angular density only between 57 to 92.<p>So if you set a 27&quot; or 32&quot; screen at a decent distance you get &quot;Retina&quot; quality. If you want the screen closer maybe not. Unfortunately the market for more than 4K isn&#x27;t really yet here for various reasons. Maybe if 8K catches on as a media format we take the next step. At that point only if you want to set the screen so close you can&#x27;t view it all at once will it be worth it to go higher.
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ds超过 3 年前
If you care about HDR, ironically enough there are only 4 options for a decent monitor as well- And almost all of them are nearly impossible to buy new. Some of these monitors are also years old <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=lCcSK3R8HcM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=lCcSK3R8HcM</a><p>*<p>27&quot; 3840x2160 ASUS PG27UQ &#x2F; ACER PREDATOR X27 (same panel in both monitors)<p>32&quot; 3840x2160 ASUS PG32UQX<p>35&quot; 3440x1440 ASUS PG35VQ<p>49&quot; 5120x1440 Samsung Neo G9
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minimaul超过 3 年前
I have one of the LG Ultrafine 5K on my 14&quot; M1 Max Macbook Pro - it is far more reliable with that Mac than with the 2018 15&quot; I was using it with before. It&#x27;s also worth swapping the TB3 cable if you still have issues.<p>After both of those I find it works absolutely flawlessly for me now, and it is comfortably the best external display I have ever used.<p>I would adore any option that is even remotely as good.
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lxe超过 3 年前
Don&#x27;t even get me started on brightness... good luck finding anything that&#x27;s higher than 350 nits.
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wikibob超过 3 年前
The only currently acceptable external display is the LG 27-inch 5K.<p>Sadly the firmware is flaky, the webcam sucks, it has huge bezels, and is very thick.<p>Rumor is apple might have a new consumer priced external display next year. Let’s hope it’s true.
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metmac超过 3 年前
My dream display would be close to retina PPI + 16:10 ratio.<p>Still running 2x 30” Apple Cinema Displays because I prefer the 1600px height.<p>They are awful displays by modern standards. But what I’d give to have a panel that is 5120 x 3200.
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bluewalt超过 3 年前
Another major issue not mentioned with non-retina displays is that you have to chose between a decent on-screen text size and pixel scaling.<p>For example, I use a a 4K 27&quot; LG monitor. If I use native 4K resolution, the text is way too small. If I use 2:1 resolution, the text becomes too big and I lose real estate. I ended up with a scaled resolution with pixel approximation. I won&#x27;t explain here why it may be a problem for some people, but it is.
johnwalkr超过 3 年前
I recently gave away one of two of my 7 year old 4K 27&quot; monitors, thinking I could upgrade to something larger and higher resolution instead of using 2 monitors. I assumed I could get something around 35&quot; and &gt;4K but it doesn&#x27;t exist. Aside from the Apple XDR display (32&quot; 6K), there are 27&quot; 4K monitors, a few 32&quot; 4K monitors, or much larger (too large in my opinion) 4K or 8K TVs. Then there&#x27;s a refresh rate arms race of smaller 1080p or 1440p monitors for gaming. And almost all of the options above aside from the XDR and large TVs look terrible next to a macbook. If you read monitor forums there&#x27;s posts going back 2 years now saying &quot;with HDMI 2.1 coming out soon, there will be more options.&quot; But nothing really appeared.<p>In the end I pulled the trigger on a 1440p 49&quot; ultrawide[1] because it appeared on sale one day for $600 with only $50 shipping from US to Japan. I really like the form factor for working with references off to the side, but it&#x27;s dim, washed-out, and blurry compared to the macbook I use it with. I&#x27;ll be replacing it as soon as something better is available.<p>And why do all monitors have absolutely terrible UIs? I virtually never use any feature aside from switching inputs, and that usually takes 10 button presses. Usually the buttons are all in a row but represent up&#x2F;down&#x2F;left&#x2F;right. Adding insult to injury, the monitor I&#x27;m now using has single button access to change the power LED color or add a crosshair to the screen. And if it loses signal for a split second, such as to change resolution, it either changes to another input or powers down. Either of these takes 10 seconds to fix. The manual shows a remote control with the buttons I want, but apparently it is no longer included, or available.<p>[1]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.monoprice.com&#x2F;product?p_id=43305" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.monoprice.com&#x2F;product?p_id=43305</a>
WesolyKubeczek超过 3 年前
There’s also a market of those small portable displays that are definitely ”retina”. I own a pair of those, one 15&quot; and one 12.9&quot;, both UHD. Sadly, many of them, while not precisely “no name”, are of dubious quality when it comes to driver boards.<p>My 15&quot; display likes to produce a loud “pop” sound with the picture going bright white for a fraction of an eyeblink. It’s also HDR without being HDR — in SDR mode, the picture is hideous and in HDR, it’s merely bearable.<p>The 12.9&quot; display is way better. No issues whatsoever, I sometimes take it with me when on the road. And it’s simply gorgeous when you have a lot of text to work with.<p>I feel the sweet spot would be the 17&quot; ones I’m seeing on Amazon. If only they had proper VESA holes, proper DP sockets ubstead of USB-C and were reliable, I could replace my Dell P2145Qs with two of those. A good size, super small pixels, and just a fraction of power consumed.
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mgarfias超过 3 年前
I’ve got a pair of the ultrafine 5ks. I’d happily trade them in on something that I can plug into and know that it will power up the display reliably.<p>Right now if I take my laptop off somewhere and come back, who knows if they’ll both power up. I’m frequently stuck on one display and no amount of unplugging and reconnecting or swearing helps.
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aichi超过 3 年前
Eizo Fortis Nova <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eizoglobal.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;foris&#x2F;nova&#x2F;sp&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eizoglobal.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;foris&#x2F;nova&#x2F;sp&#x2F;</a>
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oxml超过 3 年前
I bought two LG Ultrafine 5K displays in 2016 and they&#x27;re still going strong. They&#x27;re good — probably the best affordable retina monitor option available, but not perfect. For example, I wish I could daisy chain, and there are occasional ghosting when changing from a contrasty&#x2F;bright screen to a dark screen. I also ran into problems this year with my MBP maxing out CPU when running both displays at once — after 5 years without problems. Switching to one display solves the issue.<p>If Apple released an affordable pro level display with reasonably good specs, I&#x27;d make the jump.
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henvic超过 3 年前
I really wanted the 27-inch LG UltraFine 5K (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lg.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;monitors&#x2F;lg-27md5kl-b-5k-uhd-led-monitor" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lg.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;monitors&#x2F;lg-27md5kl-b-5k-uhd-led-monit...</a>), but I heard many complains about it not being as reliable as you&#x27;d expect, then I decided to get the LG UltraFine 4K (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;amzn.to&#x2F;3qs2pFW" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;amzn.to&#x2F;3qs2pFW</a>) a little over a year ago, and I don&#x27;t regret at all spending so much more for a display, than I&#x27;d normally expect to.<p>Now, I want to update to Apple&#x27;s Pro Display XDR, but can&#x27;t justify paying ~7 times more on it for now. Although 24-inch and 4K was a huge improvement for someone like me, used to only using a MacBook display (I spend the workday programming, and love photography), I still feel like 4K isn&#x27;t enough.<p>I can&#x27;t comfortably open my editor&#x2F;browser, while also watching a video, for example. For some time I&#x27;ve tried to use my MacBook 15 Pro as a second display, but that didn&#x27;t work either. I hate the fact that there&#x27;re small differences in color&#x2F;brightness, even though the quality of either individually is superb (the external is slightly better)... The only thing that helped a little bit with regards to using multiple displays was using the iPad to play videos thanks to AirPlay, but this is suboptimal.
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izacus超过 3 年前
So I have a 28&quot; 4K display (USB-C, ethernet, the whole shebang) and I don&#x27;t notice a massive difference between that one and the MacBook one. Those displays are widely available and pretty cheap too.<p>Is there something wrong with me that I don&#x27;t see a massive improvement between that PPI and the MBP one? To the point where I&#x27;d lose my mind about it and demand 5K there?
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MrFoof超过 3 年前
I&#x27;ve been waiting for a solid 5K display that meets my requirements since 2011. In 2011 I said, &quot;when I replace my iMac, I can&#x27;t wait to have a few 5K 120Hz displays!&quot;<p>In May 2021 I did my workstation build. I just bought new value 1440p panels while I sit here with my arms crossed, wondering when the 5K displays which&#x27;ll meet my requirements will exist.
akrymski超过 3 年前
Got a Huawei Mateview recently - 28.2&quot;, 4K+, 3:2 aspect ratio, USB-C charging, £500! Fantastic monitor with a great feature set. Retina screen similar to M1 Macbook quality, can barely tell the difference. Looks just like the Apple Pro Display, but with a better aspect ratio for devs. 100% Recommended.
mundial86超过 3 年前
I am hanging on to dear life with a slowly dying Dell UP2715K in the hope that 2022 will be the year someone finally makes a decent replacement for the glossy 5k displays that came out years ago.<p>The fact that the pro xdr only has one port makes it a non starter for me. I need to connect more than one device to my monitors.
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myrandomcomment超过 3 年前
So sample size of 1, but I have had the &quot;Apple&quot; LG 5K for 3 months now and it is great. I was able to drop the TB dock and wire my external USB-C HDs right to it. It is hooked to M1 Mac Mini running the latest MacOS. This monitor replaced the &quot;Apple&quot; LG 4K which I ran for ~2 years.
watersb超过 3 年前
Very basic geometry problem, in which I discover that a 32-inch display with a pixel density of 218 pixels&#x2F;inch (to match Apple displays) requires 6108 x 3436 pixels.<p>An 8k display would be 40 inches.<p>h = 32, 218 = p &#x2F; x, c = 16&#x2F;9 y, x = h cos(t), y = h sin(t), h^2 = x^2 + y^2, 90 = t + s, x &gt; 0, y &gt; 0, h &gt; 0
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yih35超过 3 年前
I have the lg ultrafine 4K. Picture quality is obviously a lot better than the matte and lower resolution displays available for windows. It adjusts brightness for the room which is also nice. It has quite an annoying bug though in that whenever there is a power outage, it never wakes up. I have to get another monitor, plug only that monitor in, plug the lg back in after restart, unplug other monitor just to get it working again.<p>Resolution is not quite retina but good enough. Sound quality is not as good as iMacs on built in speakers. It has no web cam but not sure I care.<p>I used to be content with windows and low resolution monitors. I think the eyes just adjust and make up for anything that is lost. I am not even sure resolution even matters. 4K video would be nice, but very little content is in 4k.
michaelmrose超过 3 年前
For your consideration a calculator.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.designcompaniesranked.com&#x2F;resources&#x2F;is-this-retina&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.designcompaniesranked.com&#x2F;resources&#x2F;is-this-reti...</a><p>According to it&#x27;s methodology which seems reasonable a 4k display is &quot;retina&quot; at 26&quot; at a typical 20&quot; viewing distance. A 27&quot; at 21.<p>I think a 27&quot; is so near as good as to be indistinguishable despite being a reasonable upgrade in screen area.<p>I have something very similar to this.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newegg.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;N82E16824025891" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newegg.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;N82E16824025891</a><p>I&#x27;d easily put it in the position of the bargain choice.
binbag超过 3 年前
Can anyone tell me how to force an M1 Mac Mini to produce crisp images on a 27&quot; 1440p (~110dpi) screen? I&#x27;ve tried various things and cannot get it to render anywhere near the clarity of Windows. I&#x27;m not going to buy a &#x27;Hi-DPI&#x27; (220dpi) screen just to solve Apple&#x27;s rendering problems.
massysett超过 3 年前
I have two of the LG 24-inch 4K monitors from this list. They’re great for web browsing and Terminal work.<p>I use them with an Intel Mac mini and unfortunately the power management doesn’t work. Sometimes on computer boot, the monitors just don’t come on, and sleep is problematic too. Sometimes unplugging and replugging the video cable works, sometimes no. Sometimes the only fix is another reboot, which seems to reset something.<p>I’ve found that Thunderbolt to Displayport cables work best, and I disabled all monitor power management both in the Mac and the monitors. Still sporadic issues though. Don’t know whether to blame the monitors or the Mac.<p>Other than that, no complaints.
coldtea超过 3 年前
&gt;<i>So, all-in, the Pro Display XDR is $7,000. Which is, charitably, absurd.</i><p>In what planet is it &quot;absurd&quot;? Because the calibrated monitors it competes with (from Sony, etc) cost around $10K to $20K.
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s_dev超过 3 年前
I also found it difficult to shop for a monitor in the past couple of years I ended up going for this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gigabyte.com&#x2F;Monitor&#x2F;AORUS-FV43U#kf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gigabyte.com&#x2F;Monitor&#x2F;AORUS-FV43U#kf</a><p>My constraints were proper 4k (no compromised height resolution) -- the 4:3 ratio is nice but I was happy with most ratios. Overall at 43 inches it&#x27;s big probably more suited for console gaming than PC but the 165Hz refresh rate makes it suitable for gaming.
amrox超过 3 年前
I use dual LG 24UD58-B’s (one landscape, one portrait) for coding and I’ve been satisfied.<p>I don’t run them at native res, but this never bothered me. I also don’t game or edit photos or video either.
jebronie超过 3 年前
I just want a 27&quot; 5k display with 120hz and HDR 600 or better.
binbag超过 3 年前
Why is it so difficult to get the right screen for a mac, relative to how easy it is with Windows? Is this a proactive design choice by Apple, or just a lack of care?
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conradev超过 3 年前
I will put another monitor into the mix because it is the first of its kind and might interest some: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bhphotovideo.com&#x2F;c&#x2F;product&#x2F;1621993-REG&#x2F;lg_27ep950_b_27_oled_uhd_tilt.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bhphotovideo.com&#x2F;c&#x2F;product&#x2F;1621993-REG&#x2F;lg_27ep95...</a><p>It is a full 27&quot; OLED panel for $$$ ($3,000), but it is not the highest DPI at only 4K resolution
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bluedino超过 3 年前
When the original Retina Macs came out, they basically ruined me for non-Retina laptop screens. However, regular 27&quot; 2560x1440 screens were just fine.<p>In 2017 I was able to pick up a deal on the Anandtech or [H] forums, 2016 15&quot; MacBook Pro and the original LG 4K USB-C display for $1600!<p>I still have the screen to this day. It is still amazing. I never ended up buying a 27&quot; 5K display.
rbanffy超过 3 年前
When I’m using the laptop as a standalone unit, the built-in screen resolution makes a difference. When it’s docked on my desk surrounded by two 24” monitors, I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference except, perhaps, by very subtle cues in text rendering.<p>I can, however, see clear artifacts on the two 100-dpi ish screens. A 150-dpi screen would work perfectly for me.
jstx1超过 3 年前
Not knowing too much about monitors and trying to search for &quot;I want a 24in monitor that looks somewhat similar to my macbook&quot; has been kind of challenging. Especially when you&#x27;re shopping online. So many variables to tweak, and I have no idea which matter and which don&#x27;t. I just want something that looks good.
killjoywashere超过 3 年前
I bought 2 XDRs because they are stupid-cheap compared to BARCO clinical options. Check out the Coronis and Steris lines if you really want to spend some money. It&#x27;s been a while I since I did the comparison, but as I recall, the BARCOs are <i>not</i> hands-down better than the XDR, despite 5x the price.
happynacho超过 3 年前
I&#x27;ve found running 4K @ 2x&#x2F;200% scaling &quot;retina&quot; to be the best price&#x2F;performance option right now. 5K displays are nowhere to be seen and 6K&#x2F;8K have absurd prices.<p>My dream monitor would be a dual-5k super-ultrawide, even at 60Hz. That&#x27;s at least 5 years away if not 10.
layer8超过 3 年前
New Apple displays are rumored to be coming up: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.macrumors.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;12&#x2F;16&#x2F;apple-displays-24-and-27-inch-rumors&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.macrumors.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;12&#x2F;16&#x2F;apple-displays-24-and-2...</a>
indymike超过 3 年前
A lot of this depends on the distance of the monitor to your face. High actual DPI matters more if the screen is close to your eyes. Do a 24&quot; 4k is great at close range, but if you move the screen 8in-12in back, a 32in 4K can work just as well.
rdl超过 3 年前
Every time I buy the LG 5K I feel a little sad (it&#x27;s overpriced for what it is, outdated, and limited with non-Macs), but every time I use it, I&#x27;m happy with the purchase.<p>Biggest downside (aside from the price) is extending the Apple lock-in.
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amelius超过 3 年前
Here&#x27;s a handy website to find panel displays without a frame:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.panelook.com&#x2F;modelsearch.php?op=advancedsearch" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.panelook.com&#x2F;modelsearch.php?op=advancedsearch</a>
manuelmagic超过 3 年前
When talking about hi-end monitor I&#x27;m always surprised that nearly nobody list Eizo monitors among the choices.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eizoglobal.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eizoglobal.com&#x2F;</a>
adib超过 3 年前
Fwiw, Eyoyo offers 4K 15” monitors, which qualify as _retina displays_. Those are usually around $150, depending on reseller and exact model.
BeFlatXIII超过 3 年前
What&#x27;s the smallest 4K (external, I don&#x27;t want your meme laptops with 4k displays in the recommendation pool) monitor currently on the market?
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kirilangov超过 3 年前
Eve Spectrum<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;evedevices.com&#x2F;pages&#x2F;spectrum" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;evedevices.com&#x2F;pages&#x2F;spectrum</a>
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__MatrixMan__超过 3 年前
I disappointed that this was about monitors and not something that I could clip on my glasses that would project onto my retinas.
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riekus超过 3 年前
I am currently looking at the dell or Lenovo 40 inch 5k2k displays... Want to pair it with 2020 Macbook air. Any thoughts?
symlinkk超过 3 年前
How is the Ultrafine “unreliable”? What functionality would a monitor even have that could possibly break?
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ArchD超过 3 年前
Why the insistence on Retina displays, though? If the pixel count is too small for the monitor size, then place the monitor further away, and use more monitors if necessary. E.g. you could have 2x 30-inch 4k monitors. The DPI is low but you can place the monitors further to compensate.<p>Having monitors further away from the eyes may also help to prevent eye strain from focusing too close for too long.
new_realist超过 3 年前
It&#x27;s shameful that Dell&#x27;s 8K monitor is sabotaged by Apple.
flyingchipmann超过 3 年前
I would add LG CX&#x2F;C1 48 inch. The lowest price has come down to 1000 usd + tax around recent month. It has all the features and packs a top tier oled panel.
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jiggawatts超过 3 年前
Where PC displays ought to be in 2021:<p>At the high-end: 6K or 8K 120Hz 1000 nit, 12-bit HDR in various sizes from 27&quot; up to 40&quot; where this kind of resolution makes sense.<p>At the &quot;enthusiast&quot; or &quot;gamer&quot; tier: 4K 240Hz with 10-bit HDR, either 1000 nit LCD or 600 nit OLED. (From 2022, RGB OLED with 1000 nit brightness)<p>In both cases wide-gamut colour (Display P3 or wider) should be available and &quot;just work&quot;. Ideally much wider, near Rec.2020. I still use a 8 year old(!) monitor with 100% AdobeRGB coverage. For some bizarre reason, this is a &quot;high bar&quot; that 99% of currently sold PC monitors don&#x27;t reach, despite quantum dot filters being a thing since 2013(!!).<p>This isn&#x27;t wishful thinking, this is all existing, off-the-shelf technology widely available elsewhere in the <i>general consumer market</i> -- just not for PCs.<p>So for example, my iPhone has a wide-gamut, 1000 nit HDR OLED screen with 120 Hz.<p>LG sells an 8K OLED with 120 Hz, and 240 Hz 4K televisions are commonplace. Most TVs have 1000+ nit HDR, and OLEDs will reach about 1000 nits in 2022.<p>Most of the above is simply unavailable in the PC display world, or is only available &quot;piecemeal&quot;. I just got a laptop with an OLED 4K HDR display, but it is limited 60Hz. This isn&#x27;t an input cable limitation, it&#x27;s a built-in display with a 5cm long cable!<p>There are exactly zero 120 Hz PC OLED monitors available on the market under 40&quot; (i.e.: not a re-purposed television). None.<p>Back to my laptop: HDR &quot;works&quot; in the checkbox tick sense. The panel is physically very good, but even on Windows 11 with the absolute latest drivers it&#x27;s hit &amp; miss:<p>- Windows is not colour managed by default. Still. In nearly-2022 era. Apps randomly look correct <i>or</i> have visibly &quot;stretched&quot; gamuts. Most things are limited to sRGB, and can&#x27;t use the display native gamut, despite wide-gamut support for the UI being available as far back as Vista.<p>- HDR content is randomly correct by accident (YouTube), overbright and clipped horribly (also YouTube for some reason), or way too dark (NetFlix).<p>- Dolby Vision doesn&#x27;t work at all. The &quot;Dolby Access&quot; app is abandonware that does nothing. (Again, both my TV and my phone can play DV content!)<p>- Games don&#x27;t work in HDR at all on the internal OLED display, but do work with an external TV plugged in. So the GPU is capable of it, it just refuses to work!<p>- The panel is 10-bit capable, but only if HDR is turned on.<p>- With HDR on the screen stays black when the laptop resumes from sleep, making this a no-go for general use. This is a known issue that has persisted through at least three semi-annual releases of Windows, with a WONTFIX response from Microsoft!<p>This is where were are on the eve of 2022: A super-high-end Windows computer screws up the colours for apps, can&#x27;t reliably play HDR, refuses to for games, and dies if HDR is used before it goes to sleep. It doesn&#x27;t matter anyway because HDR displays are rarer than hen&#x27;s teeth and won&#x27;t be available until 2023 at the earliest, some time after TV manufacturers will stop making LCDs entirely and switch 100% of their production over to OLEDs.<p>Don&#x27;t worry, the old LCD lines will be used to make faded, sub-sRGB displays for us poors.
AlcaDal超过 3 年前
How about the ASUS 32&quot; PA329CV?
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Invictus0超过 3 年前
Get an iPad Pro. Problem solved.
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