This is a fantastic interview.<p>Lex is a great interviewer, always focused on the other human being he is talking to and assuming the best in them. Lex's humility and unselfish love of others shines though.<p>Jay is a fantastic resource on COVID. He is a pragmatists who believes and communicates the truth as he understands it. An example from the episode is when Jay reflects on his family helping him run the Santa Clara seroprevalence study. He is in real fear for his family members, because he doesn't understand how dangerous the virus is and for which demographics. Once he better understands the virus, he proposes a very reasonable approach to living with this endemic disease.