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UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

310 点作者 danyork超过 3 年前

27 条评论

samwillis超过 3 年前
I find it amusing that WhatsApp and its e2ee is used as a common target for regulation by the government when their own ministers are using it to organise all sorts of shenanigans; illegal parties during lockdown, “anonymous” briefing of journalists, leaking compromising information about their peers. Not to mention that it always seems like the government is run via WhatsApp (probably need the e2ee for that!).<p>Ultimately this is about perceived control, the paraphrased saying goes “if you outlaw encryption only outlaws will have encryption”. Legislation won’t reduce the use of encryption by criminals and terrorists, it will however allow the government and law enforcement to say “you have encrypted chat software, that’s illegal, therefore you must be doing something illegal”. However, that wont necessarily translate to prosecution, it’s only the perception that matters.<p>Pandora’s box may have been opened but governments will always find a way to “control” their citizens, usually through fear.
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jevoten超过 3 年前
&gt; The new campaign, however, is entirely focused on the argument that improved encryption would hamper efforts to tackle child exploitation online.<p>I bet cars and homes without microphones and cameras spying on their residents also hampers their efforts to keep children safe - are those next on the chopping block? They&#x27;re already spying on near every street corner, after all.<p>Funny how they never say &quot;Technology has given us all this extra surveillance capability, you can reduce our legal powers somewhat to compensate&quot; - it&#x27;s always &quot;People have some tiny scrap of privacy left - we <i>must</i> eliminate it, or terrorists and pedophiles win!&quot;
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stephen_g超过 3 年前
Those stunts sound super creepy and messed up. Weird, manipulative campaign.<p>This shouldn&#x27;t really be legal surely in democracies to have campaigns that &quot;appear to be the result of grassroots campaigns and children&#x27;s charities, while downplaying any Government involvement&quot;, when it&#x27;s a political manipulation campaign paid for, coordinated and organised by the Government themselves. I really hope the counter-campaign mentioned is good (although hard to compete with the already hundreds of thousands of pounds already allocated to this already).
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pixelpoet超过 3 年前
The sheer audacity of claiming this is about protecting children, while politically connected people like Prince Andrew walk free, is just mindblowing. Wow, just wow.
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jonplackett超过 3 年前
The other day I was telling my mum about how in China they can monitor and delete anything you post online. Even delete an entire type of post made by millions of people based on a keyword etc etc.<p>Her response, rather than the horror I was trying to i instil, was “I think we ought to have that here!”<p>So it does worry me that public support could go the wrong way on this if they spend a lot of time on messaging.<p>I hope that the high level of mistrust of the government - built up especially through covid - will prevail.
tupac_speedrap超过 3 年前
This is bollocks, GCHQ get on fine with metadata and most CSAM is back-doored anyway, it is literally &quot;think of the children&quot; claptrap. It&#x27;s just another power grab, we already have some of the worst privacy laws in the world in the UK.
basisword超过 3 年前
This is just exasperating. Pro privacy? You’re responsible for child abuse. Every time you think the current British government can’t sink any lower…
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kzzzznot超过 3 年前
&gt; “A glass box is installed in a public space,” the presentation notes. “Inside the box, there are two actors; one child and one adult. Both strangers. The child sits playing on their smart phone. At the other end of the box, we see an adult sat on a chair also on their phone, typing away.<p>&gt; “The adult occasionally looks over at the child, knowingly. Intermittently through the day, the ‘privacy glass’ will turn on and the previously transparent glass box will become opaque. Passers by won’t be able to see what’s happening inside. In other words, we create a sense of unease by hiding what the child and adult are doing online when their interaction can’t be seen.”<p>This is bizarre and confused, sounds like something from Brass Eye&#x2F;The Day Today.[1] The “privacy glass” doesn’t make you wonder what they’re talking about online, it’s what’s happening in a confined box between a stranger and a child. Before the “privacy” glass is activated, you can’t see what they’re doing on their phones anyway.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=SRRw1ERj2Gc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=SRRw1ERj2Gc</a>
oliv__超过 3 年前
The way the article breaks down exactly how the campaign is set to &quot;persuade&quot; the public feels so dystopian and cynical.<p>Launching a £500K media campaign (with public funds) under the cover up pretense that &quot;UK’s biggest children’s charity and stakeholders have come together to urge social media companies to put children’s safety first&quot; and then swaying people through &quot;&#x27;sofa programmes&#x27; such as Loose Women and This Morning for broadcast&quot;.<p>If this isn&#x27;t manufactured consent, I don&#x27;t know what is. But seeing what happens behind the curtains really makes you wonder: what other &quot;mainstream opinions&quot; were created this way?
motohagiography超过 3 年前
The campaign as described sounds like what would be classified as hate speech against any other identifiable group, and yet so long as governments and their appendant &quot;agencies&quot; approve of creating new identifiable groups to target with otherwise proscribed speech, it&#x27;s somehow acceptable?<p>This is Hutu vs. Tutsi meets Gobbels level propaganda, and I&#x27;m sure it must be very fun to be so righteous, we know how it ends. While mainstream society and discourses are not allowed to reason about the applicability or justness of violence, these official parties appear free to incite and direct it, and notably, to selectively enforce the provisions against it so that it&#x27;s directed at the right people.<p>These are dishonest parties working in bad faith using special protection, what are the alternatives? I&#x27;m afraid the only thing they will understand is cost.
ghostwriter超过 3 年前
The Government should instead be running a publicity blitz on how the police and law enforcement agencies ignore victims of grooming gangs and avoid investigations because of political correctness [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;article-7901731&#x2F;Police-chief-admitted-force-ignored-sex-abuse-grooming-gangs-30-years.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;article-7901731&#x2F;Police-chie...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailyrecord.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;uk-world-news&#x2F;harrowing-texts-girl-grooming-gang-25542778" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailyrecord.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;uk-world-news&#x2F;harrowing-t...</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mallarduk.com&#x2F;grooming-gang-survivor-proposes-new-definition-dr-ella-hill&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mallarduk.com&#x2F;grooming-gang-survivor-proposes-new-de...</a><p>[4] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;TVP64" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;TVP64</a><p>[5] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;uk-england-south-yorkshire-59828338" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;uk-england-south-yorkshire-598283...</a>
tradesurplus超过 3 年前
This is to prevent MPs and civil servants from evading professional communications logs rules, right? Right?
mhh__超过 3 年前
We need a new government (then a new political class, but small things first...)
eunice超过 3 年前
given how many of this cabinet are close to the likes of jeffrey epstein the &#x27;think of the children&#x27; stuff is particularly laughable
stjohnswarts超过 3 年前
Governments hate the idea of not being able to open your mail. Politicians want to be able to control every aspect of your life down to picking up some groceries at the grocery or paying your babysitter. I really hope people don&#x27;t fall for this garbage. Sure there is a price to be paid for privacy but there is a much larger price to pay for not having it.
wooptoo超过 3 年前
Good thing this government has solved the rampant knife crime in London and the rest of England. Now they can move on to more pedestrian things like banning WhatsApp.
datavirtue超过 3 年前
Hmmm....it&#x27;s for the children. This sounds like an attempt to keep law abiding people from privacy while guaranteeing that any criminal worth their salt is fully protected by their own encryption. Again, law abiding citizens are left unprotected as the government seeks it&#x27;s own interest in keeping popular platforms wide open to their unconditional snooping.<p>Spending tax dollars to eliminate privacy for those paying the taxes. Keep poking the bear.
ashtonkem超过 3 年前
It honestly seems like the MPs involved still suffer the delusion that the U.K. is important enough to strong arm multinational companies into doing their will in order to gain access to the U.K. as a market. Genuinely not sure why they still think that, after their half assed (pun intended) attempt to ban pornography from their internet.
mbroncano超过 3 年前
Does anybody know how (or even if) these kind of campaigns are run in the US?
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kerneloftruth超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m not surprised that the UK is deploying it&#x27;s often used Nanny State scare tactics to try and outlaw encryption. Don&#x27;t take them lightly, though, fight back!
tjpnz超过 3 年前
Any insights as to why the big players are implementing E2E while ignoring P2P? Is this a control issue or purely related to technical challenges?
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barnabee超过 3 年前
Does anyone know who I can donate to to fund a counter-campaign?
CommanderData超过 3 年前
Because TLS is already broken with the trusted model. CAs subpoenaed and also hacked a few years ago. PKI is dead.<p>If you&#x27;re a threat level is the state then there&#x27;s very little to hide from them.
brokenmachine超过 3 年前
So the UK is getting rid of https now?
323超过 3 年前
A more effective approach would be to highlight how the far-right uses encrypted chat apps. That would get the majority of the media and blue-checks supporting you.<p>&gt; Why right-wing extremists’ favorite new platform is so dangerous. Telegram’s lax content moderation and encrypted chats make it a convenient tool for extremists.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vox.com&#x2F;recode&#x2F;22238755&#x2F;telegram-messaging-social-media-extremists" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vox.com&#x2F;recode&#x2F;22238755&#x2F;telegram-messaging-socia...</a><p>&gt; In collaboration with anti-fascist research group the White Rose Society, the Guardian has tracked McLean’s activity through the rabbit warren of largely unregulated Telegram groups and found that he describes a vastly different version of his intentions.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;australia-news&#x2F;2021&#x2F;mar&#x2F;26&#x2F;where-freedom-meets-the-far-right-the-hate-messages-infiltrating-australian-anti-lockdown-protests" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;australia-news&#x2F;2021&#x2F;mar&#x2F;26&#x2F;where...</a><p>&gt; Far-right groups move online conversations from social media to chat apps — and out of view of law enforcement<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;uk-news&#x2F;2021&#x2F;oct&#x2F;14&#x2F;telegram-warned-of-nurturing-subculture-deifying-terrorists" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;uk-news&#x2F;2021&#x2F;oct&#x2F;14&#x2F;telegram-war...</a><p>&gt; White supremacists openly organize racist violence on Telegram, report finds<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;edition.cnn.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;06&#x2F;26&#x2F;tech&#x2F;white-supremacists-telegram-racism-intl&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;edition.cnn.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;06&#x2F;26&#x2F;tech&#x2F;white-supremacists-t...</a><p>&gt; Are Private Messaging Apps the Next Misinformation Hot Spot? Telegram and Signal, the encrypted services that keep conversations confidential, are increasingly popular. Our tech columnists discuss whether this could get ugly.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;02&#x2F;03&#x2F;technology&#x2F;personaltech&#x2F;telegram-signal-misinformation.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;02&#x2F;03&#x2F;technology&#x2F;personaltech&#x2F;t...</a><p>&gt; A report this week found that the messaging app had emerged as a central hub for several conspiracy movements espousing antisemitic tropes and memes, including QAnon, as well as others on the extreme right promoting violence.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2021&#x2F;01&#x2F;15&#x2F;parler-telegram-chat-apps&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2021&#x2F;01&#x2F;15&#x2F;parler-...</a>
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FabHK超过 3 年前
If only some large tech company could come up with a way to deal with CSAM while still allowing for e2e... &#x2F;s
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tobbob超过 3 年前
End to end encryption will surely make a government&#x27;s task of protecting the public much harder. It allows paedos, terrorists and the like to communicate freely, and any efforts to track what they&#x27;re up to must be an absolute nightmare.<p>The problem is, getting rid of encryption is replacing a bad situation with a disastrous situation. If you ban locks so the government can obtain access to the house of a terrorist, it means anyone now has access to anyone&#x27;s house.<p>If this article is to be believed, it really feels like someone just hasn&#x27;t thought this through. Surely there&#x27;s tech people whose job is to explain this to politicians.
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