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SkyLifter is an eVTOL air crane

64 点作者 aggrrrh超过 3 年前

11 条评论

davidhyde超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m calling bullshit on this. Slick marketing driven website, low resolution photos of actual prototypes, hand-wavy FAQ and no other technical details. They claim speeds of 40 knots but does that mean that can stay stationary in 40 knot winds (the same as traveling at 40 knots) or that it can hitch a ride on high winds? The wind forces on the balloon look they would be far too high for those tiny fans to counteract even with its flying saucer shape. And solar panels to power them? Come on!<p>250 tonnes is A LOT to lift. Look how big a hot air balloon needs to be to lift a few passengers in a basket. Sure helium has more lifting power but it doesn&#x27;t create miracles. That means the balloon would have to be absolutely massive. Far bigger than the CGI renders they show on their site. Helium is very expensive and a lot of it will leak out of a balloon like that even if you can reclaim the bulk of it back at the storage site.<p>I&#x27;d like to be proven wrong because the idea seems wonderful but the only thing they may be successful at doing is lifting some money from the hands of some gullible investors.
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lifeisstillgood超过 3 年前
I am trying to avoid being negative here but lifting 250 tonnes in remote &#x2F; difficult areas is a serious challenge.<p>The lift is not so much the problem (although that&#x27;s a big balloon) - fighting wind sheer will require stupendous amounts of power. Especially as wind is pressing not just at that cargo but at the balloon itself. And anywhere that&#x27;s remote &#x2F; inaccessible almost always comes with lots of wind.<p>Hmm, actually lift might be a problem ...<p>So to get 250 000 kg off the ground takes a volume of helium balloon (if the below site is right) of 250,000m3 (it seems to be fairly linear)<p>(this seems intuitive - air &quot;weighs&quot; about 1.2kg &#x2F;m3 sea level, so a vacuum of 1m3 could lift 1.2kg. )<p>that is 100mx100mx25m ! that&#x27;s the inner part of any athletic stadium. That&#x27;s insane surely?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.engineeringtoolbox.com&#x2F;hot-air-balloon-lifting-force-d_562.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.engineeringtoolbox.com&#x2F;hot-air-balloon-lifting-f...</a>
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0x_rs超过 3 年前
Lighter-than-air is still largely untapped territory today, and it&#x27;s a shame because it should scale in size very well. Without going straight away into more ambitious projects that were fantasized the past century [0], I&#x27;d love for a resurgence of it.<p>0. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cloud_Nine_(sphere)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cloud_Nine_(sphere)</a>
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Thomaschaaf超过 3 年前
In germany there was a similar project the &quot;CargoLifter&quot; which sadly never succeeded: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;CargoLifter" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;CargoLifter</a>
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phreeza超过 3 年前
I don&#x27;t get why none of these companies try to get ultrarich people to finance their development by selling &quot;air yachts&quot;. Basically strap a luxury RV with big windows to the bottom of one of these airships.<p>Imagine the splash you could make at your friends yacht meeting when you float in from above. Watch emperor penguins migrate or elephants in the Okavango delta from the comfort of a couch.<p>What am I missing, why isn&#x27;t this a thing?
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H8crilA超过 3 年前
This will be a pain in the ass to manage in controlled airspace because it&#x27;s so much slower than anything else. But I guess it would also use different flight levels, so maybe not a problem at all.<p>I wonder how does the fuel usage compare to a plane, that&#x27;s the real measure of green-ness.
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lordnacho超过 3 年前
It doesn&#x27;t look big enough. Basically it&#x27;s Archimedes principle, same as for stuff that floats:<p>The force produced is the weight of the mass displaced. So a hole in the air would lift up an equivalent mass to what the air in that hole would have weighed. For a ship this is a heck of a lot, since water is a lot denser than air. You can have a huge cruise liner because the hole it makes in the water would weigh 1T&#x2F;m3, which for the size of such a ship is enough to lift up a massive chunk of metal. But air is nowhere near as dense, so even a cruise ship water-hole sized balloon with magic gas that weighs nothing would only be able to lift ca 1&#x2F;1000 of the ship.<p>One trick you can do with air is heat it up so that the atoms push the sides out more, making your balloon bigger for the same mass. I&#x27;m not sure how to quantify the difference though. I suppose you take the ideal gas law and say it&#x27;s proportional to the absolute temp? Limited how hot you want to make the thing that&#x27;s naturally at about 300K.<p>Can&#x27;t tell how big they intend to make this but it just looks like isn&#x27;t big enough. A big enough balloon would also give rise to other engineering issues, like what do you do with wind and how to you keep the helium inside?<p>Also if this kind of thing generally worked every moving company would have one. Stick a balloon your sofa, get the kids to take it to your new house.
wepple超过 3 年前
Can somebody explain to me how it is able to hover (suggesting it is neutrally buoyant in air) but then attach a load and overcome the weight?
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s_gourichon超过 3 年前
Similar project? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.flying-whales.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.flying-whales.com&#x2F;</a><p>(Not saying if any of those is viable, just mentioning in case it makes the conversation more interesting.)
londons_explore超过 3 年前
Doesn&#x27;t this type of craft normally struggle with any kind of wind?<p>I can imagine that seriously hampers it&#x27;s profitability when it can&#x27;t be used 90% of the time because the wind threatens to be more than 10 mph...
khanan超过 3 年前
&quot;Hi! We built a balloon!&quot; &quot;Okay.&quot;