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Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

234 点作者 adius超过 3 年前

29 条评论

otras超过 3 年前
For a fun experiment, try Google finance with the Japanese language tag (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;finance&#x2F;?hl=ja" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;finance&#x2F;?hl=ja</a>). Even knowing about the switched colors, it still fools my eyes. Goes to show how deeply ingrained the usual red&#x2F;green assignment is!
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bee_rider超过 3 年前
It is kinda funny to see the trajectories that the different companies pick.<p>Samsung is the only one that puts a little negative blip at the end of theirs.<p>Apple shows a little blip at the beginning, followed by what appears to be endless, inevitable increase.<p>From 2013-2015, Microsoft put stagnation toward the end of theirs, but then a tiny optimistic increasing trend at the end. However, starting in 2017 they decided theirs should look more like Apple&#x27;s.<p>Google is always optimistic in the long run but puts some bumps in the middle.<p>Facebook minimally fulfills the requirement to draw a graph.
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mudlus超过 3 年前
It starts with knowing why it was originally pronounced &quot;eh-mohjee&quot;, and not &quot;ee-mojee&quot;.<p>The better question, then, if you really want to learn about culture, is why red is a good color in Japanese culture.<p>I&#x27;ll just tell you: Red is related to sun symbolizm in Shinto, it scares away evil spirits of &#x27;the dark&#x27;. And the Japanese emporer (before McArthur said otherwise) was a sun god (descended from Amaterasu). Some Japanese still intrinsictly believe this. This is represented in the Japanese &#x27;asahi&#x27; emperial flag with the red circle and red lines, and in the current national flag with the red circle (white is a symbol of purity in Shinto, as well, btw). Torii gates are also red, etc etc.
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scriby超过 3 年前
The Japanese language actually does have an idiom for &quot;in the red&quot;. It&#x27;s written as 赤字, which literally means &quot;red letter&quot; or &quot;red text&quot;. The opposite is 黒字, or &quot;black letter&quot; &#x2F; &quot;black text&quot; which is equivalent to English&#x27;s &quot;in the black&quot;.<p>I guess this just doesn&#x27;t carry over into the charts used in the financial sector?
dionidium超过 3 年前
This is a bit tangential, but I sometimes wish there were a word for the mistake of thinking a convention represents a fundamental property of the thing represented.<p>Other examples that come to mind:<p>1. Maps that aren&#x27;t oriented with north on top<p>2. U.S. electrical outlets that are &quot;upside-down&quot;<p>I&#x27;m sure there are others, but those are the two that jump to mind.
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k1t超过 3 年前
When I see that emoji I think of a sales chart, not stocks. I feel like the sales charts are usually red, even when increasing - presumably becauseit stands out.
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nlowell超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m red-green colorblind, and for this reason was never allowed in accounting at work. I kid, but it sure does surprise me that so much of the world uses red&#x2F;green to visualize! Passive-aggressive fun fact: roughly 8% of men have some colorblindness.
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yongjik超过 3 年前
Funnily enough, the Japanese word for &quot;(business) deficit&quot; is literally &quot;red letters&quot; (赤字): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wiktionary.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;%E8%B5%A4%E5%AD%97" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wiktionary.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;%E8%B5%A4%E5%AD%97</a><p>(Wiktionary says it was borrowed from English - no idea if it&#x27;s true.)
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fleddr超过 3 年前
Fun fact: many western day traders flip the colors. On actual charts, regardless of emojis. So they intentionally turn up into red and down into green.<p>It has nothing to do with color culture, rather that green is a buy signal (buy the dip) and red is a sell signal (sell at euphoria). This is of course a simplification of trading, but short term traders make money no matter the price movement, or at least try to.
deepfriedrice超过 3 年前
Random question: Why are there so many emoji &quot;implementations&quot;? I understand copyright, but is it really cheaper&#x2F;easier&#x2F;preferable for all these different companies to design their own emojis?
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ag8超过 3 年前
Interestingly, &quot;Chart Increasing with Yen&quot; is almost universally green: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;emojipedia.org&#x2F;chart-increasing-with-yen&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;emojipedia.org&#x2F;chart-increasing-with-yen&#x2F;</a>
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nayuki超过 3 年前
Chinese stock markets also use the color convention that green means down and red means up. Example pictures (notice the negative signs): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.china-briefing.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2014&#x2F;06&#x2F;Shanghai-Stock-Exchange.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.china-briefing.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2014&#x2F;...</a> ; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cdn.i-scmp.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;d8&#x2F;images&#x2F;methode&#x2F;2020&#x2F;02&#x2F;19&#x2F;ed819728-5215-11ea-8948-c9a8d8f9b667_image_hires_153453.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cdn.i-scmp.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;d8&#x2F;images&#x2F;methode...</a> ; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imagecloud.thepaper.cn&#x2F;thepaper&#x2F;image&#x2F;154&#x2F;50&#x2F;3.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imagecloud.thepaper.cn&#x2F;thepaper&#x2F;image&#x2F;154&#x2F;50&#x2F;3.jpg</a><p>I&#x27;m not sure which country&#x2F;culture first adopted this convention - China, Japan, etc.
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jFriedensreich超过 3 年前
maybe i am the only one who did see the cultural meanings as obvious but i was missing this information:<p>reasoning western culture:<p>blood &gt; death &gt; danger &gt; warning<p>reasoning in eastern culture:<p>fire &gt; energy &gt; vitality &gt; growth
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d--b超过 3 年前
Well the “chart decreasing” emoji is blue. So that whole thing about Japanese stock exchange is wrong…
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Animats超过 3 年前
Chart-decreasing is mostly blue, but sometimes red and orange. Google had green for a while, but changed it.[1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;emojipedia.org&#x2F;chart-decreasing&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;emojipedia.org&#x2F;chart-decreasing&#x2F;</a>
vangelis超过 3 年前
This title hurt my brain.
agumonkey超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m intrigued about when the terms smileys and emoticons were replaced by emojis. Also I just read that emoji is not related to emoticons but ~eh-moji, a Japanese term. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencefriday.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;the-origin-of-the-word-emoji&#x2F;#:~:text=Etymology%3A,the%20word%20describes%20a%20pictograph" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencefriday.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;the-origin-of-the-wor...</a>.
dahfizz超过 3 年前
Are there localized &quot;fonts&quot; for emoji? i.e. Could Apple display the chart in green on iPhones with western system languages, and red on iPhones with Japanese set as the language? Surely this is not the only example where different cultures conceptualize the concepts behind emoji differently. Another (potentially touchy) example would be automatically adding &#x2F; removing a hijab for emoji featuring women in Arabic iPhones.
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Splendor超过 3 年前
&gt; Meanwhile, green is used to represent decreases in stock value.<p>Okay. Now explain why the &quot;chart decreasing&quot; emoji is blue instead of green.
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cmeacham98超过 3 年前
Ironically, the &quot;chart increasing with yen&quot; this was based off of (which was later accepted into Unicode itself) is green in my device&#x27;s emoji set, as well as the vast majority of other implementations. You would think that one would be the one where the Japenese meaning of the colors was used for sure.
petee超过 3 年前
But their traffic lights are red, being the traditional &quot;STOP&quot;, or caution, etc...why would that be chosen to be applied to something increasing?<p>And apparently chart-decreasing is blue, again opposite correlation to use in traffic lights, meaning &quot;go&quot;
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snidane超过 3 年前
Just use the Japan map emoji as shown next to the Japan headline in the article. The image of Japan country looks like the increasing chart enough and is green.
section-9超过 3 年前
TL;DR: Because emojis are of Japanese origin and (east)asian countries use red for profit and green for loss.
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IMAYousaf超过 3 年前
I always assumed that green was good and red was bad given that stoplights are relatively universal.
csours超过 3 年前
If you like shapes and colors of charts, you may like the mobile game &quot;The Firm&quot;
mkdirp超过 3 年前
Similar reason why Jenkins CI by default uses blue to indicate success.
NickKampe超过 3 年前
Figured they were only familiar with burndown charts.
iqanq超过 3 年前
&quot;According to our latest quarterly thing, Kruger Industrial Smoothing is heading into the red. Or the black, or whatever the bad one is.&quot;
jancsika超过 3 年前
It&#x27;s because they&#x27;re tracking crypto prices.