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Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

214 点作者 stvnitt超过 3 年前

30 条评论

ChuckMcM超过 3 年前
Awesome! As someone who used to drink a <i>lot</i> of Diet Dr. Pepper (DDP) I could easily tell how close a given can (or bottle) was to its &quot;use by&quot; date. This makes for a great party trick [1] but otherwise has limited utility.<p>It also made for some socially awkward situations where, when visiting friends, they would want to have drinks on hand that their guests like and would go out of their way to get some DDP for me, not checking the date, and then serve out of date soda which tasted horrible.<p>Not surprising the rate of hydrolysis is temperature dependent so if you keep things refrigerated they last longer, but if you leave them out on the back porch in the summer where they get warm they go &#x27;non-sweet&#x27; relatively quickly.<p>I switched to water (or tea if I want caffeine) with diet sweetener in packets (which doesn&#x27;t go bad because no pesky water to &#x27;unzip&#x27; it). I wrote to the Dr. Pepper company once and suggested they design their beverage so that the sweetener was dry and only released when you opened it (I got the idea from the way the Guinness folks started selling Guinness in cans with a gizmo to put a head on it when opened. Alas, nobody at the company was interested in &quot;fixing&quot; a non-problem, they responded (nicely) that I should just be sure to check the date and included a coupon for a free six pack. Of course at that time (and is still true around Reno) the bottler doesn&#x27;t use an easily readable date code so it isn&#x27;t much of a solution.<p>[1] And by &quot;great&quot; I mean the nerds all are fascinated by it and the non-nerds were nominally repulsed that someone could have such familiarity with the hydrolysis profile as to call it out by taste.
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sircastor超过 3 年前
I once explained to a coworker that I brought in some soda that day because the diet soda at work was expired. They were skeptical and we proceeded to go down to the cafe to setup a blind taste test. I passed with flying colors and we had an interesting conversation about it. It was a fun 20 minutes of not working.
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keiferski超过 3 年前
Off topic, but the headline made me realize that something “tasting off” is sort of an unpaired expression. We don’t say that normal drinks “taste on.”<p><i>An unpaired word is one that, according to the usual rules of the language, would appear to have a related word but does not.</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Unpaired_word" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Unpaired_word</a>
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Scoundreller超过 3 年前
&gt; aspartame has a half-life of about 300 days in solution at about pH 4, about the pH of soft drinks, but half life means that half if it as gone by that time. And if the cans are exposed to a hot storeroom or stored in a warm summer garage, they may deteriorate faster.<p>And they deteriorate a lot <i>slower</i> at cold temperatures. Hydrolysis practically stops if you freeze it.
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jorblumesea超过 3 年前
Some of us can&#x27;t even drink the &quot;good&quot; tasting aspartame due to genetic factors.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;srep39135" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;srep39135</a>
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jbirer超过 3 年前
Some time ago I could tell something was really off about the taste of my diet soda even though it was way before it&#x27;s expiry date. I was able to find out some storage irregularities with the shop I was buying from and call CC on them. Turns out they were also doing a lot of stupid things like taking meat freezers out of socket overnight to reduce energy consumption.
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narag超过 3 年前
I noticed a similar thing with regular Coca Cola years ago. Some PET 2 l bottles went stale and tasted terribly, like mold. Other people thought that it wasn&#x27;t so bad, but did detect the bad taste after being told about it.<p>I suspected it was an effect of sunlight on sugar, but had no way to know for sure. Nobody would admit that the bottles were transported or stored in inadequate conditions either.<p>Then I quit regular coke and later diet coke too, so no idea if it&#x27;s still a problem.
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refurb超过 3 年前
Random story - I met the chemist who worked at Searle and whose job it was to come up with a way to purify aspartame on an industrial scale.<p>Normally purifying things like pharmaceuticals can be challenging, but as long as impurities are under 0.5%, generally they are acceptable (some have lower limits).<p>But with aspartame it had to be much cleaner since small impurities would ruin the taste. So it had nothing to do with safety but more quality of the final product.<p>He banged his head against the wall until they came up with a process that consistently have high quality product as measured by taste.
duffyjp超过 3 年前
I had left an almost full case of Diet Pepsi at work went we were sent home for COVID. Over a year later when allowed back I opened up the work fridge and grabbed a can. Due to masking and still being quite nervous about the virus I basically slammed it so I could re-mask faster. Big mistake, it was awful.<p>Thanks for explaining why!
zainhoda超过 3 年前
Recently I went to my office for the first time since the pandemic started. The Diet Coke in the office fridge tasted HORRIBLE.
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ddtaylor超过 3 年前
Is the &quot;jury still out&quot; on Aspertame causing health problems like cancer?
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eitland超过 3 年前
&gt; If you unzip aspartame into the two amino acids and remove that methyl to become methanol, you have a tasteless mixture of pretty harmless compounds.<p>I&#x27;m somewhat surprised nobody has commented on this yet, so let me point it out: methanol is not harmless! It causes blindness or death.<p>(I don&#x27;t say diet soda is harmful, only that methanol is.)
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hankchinaski超过 3 年前
slightly unrelated, but i read mixed opinions on the safety of aspartame. Is there anyone knowledgeable in the field who has research proving one way or the other? I rarely consume sodas, I just don&#x27;t know whether it&#x27;s safer to consume artificially sweetened ones or standard ones. The literature on the topic seems conflicting and incomplete
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Pooge超过 3 年前
Sorry if this is slightly off-topic, but whenever I drink Coca-Cola Zero, I get a bit dizzy. It doesn&#x27;t happen with other soda like Pepsi Zero. I&#x27;ve read somewhere that aspartame is much stronger than sugar.<p>For the life of me, I can&#x27;t find any references I stumbled upon when I searched about it, but has any of you had the same symptoms?
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bradhoffman超过 3 年前
Similar topic, but after having COVID and losing my taste and smell for a few weeks, all carbonated sodas &quot;taste off&quot; for me. I&#x27;ve talked to a few people who have had similar experiences and after a year later, all of my regular Cokes still taste off :&#x2F;
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peanut_worm超过 3 年前
I think there has to be a certain part of the population that is sensitive to the taste of non-sugar sweeteners. A lot of people I asked said they can’t tell the difference but to me they all taste bitter or metallic, even stevia and agave. monkfruit is the only sweeter than sugar sweetener that doesn’t taste bitter to me.<p>From my understanding it is different compounds that cause the bad taste for each sweetener, but I suppose people might be sensitive to some more than others. I wonder why it is that only sugar does not produce the bad flavor.
sgt超过 3 年前
Never saw the point of diet sodas. I&#x27;d much rather drink normal coke with proper sugar in it. It&#x27;s unhealthy, yes - so drink slightly less.
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contidrift超过 3 年前
If aspartame was&#x27;t invented as an ant-killer, it certainly works as one! Dust some ants with it and see what happens.
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ck2超过 3 年前
Diet soda and artificial sweeteners is a gateway crutch. Took years to stop drinking soda and decade of diet but finally kicked it. Worth the effort and recommended.<p>Everyone is quick to hand wave &quot;doesn&#x27;t cause cancer&quot; blah blah but what they hop and skip over is it definitely changes gut microbe for the worse.
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pmarreck超过 3 年前
I can&#x27;t wait for soft drinks to come out that use Allulose as a sweetener<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chicagobusiness.com&#x2F;consumer-products&#x2F;new-sugar-substitute-sounds-almost-too-good-be-true" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chicagobusiness.com&#x2F;consumer-products&#x2F;new-sugar-...</a>
qwertyuiop_超过 3 年前
I have also noticed significant reduction in carbonation of Coke and Pepsi. 2-3 years ago it would hit the spot so to speak. Now they taste flat as if they have been sitting out all day. Wild thought was they are doing this to reduce “co2” emissions :)
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surfsvammel超过 3 年前
Every soft drink I’ve had since COVID have tasted off. So. If your drinks taste off, that might also be the explanation.
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anfilt超过 3 年前
I can&#x27;t stand diet soda&#x27;s they always taste off. I a lot these artificial sweeteners gross&#x2F;disgusting.
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hilbert42超过 3 年前
What an excellent article.<p>For me, it&#x27;s also a timely discussion in that a short while ago (from my records on August 19 2019) I was looking at the Wikipedia article on aspartame when I realized that there was a significant error on the page. The skeletal formula was correct but the ball-and-stick model was incorrect in that it had an extra hydrogen tacked onto the aspartic acid group—the NH2 was misrepresented as NH3.<p>Being somewhat surprised at the error—as one would have thought that both representations would have been generated in the same software, Avogadro etc., thus the error should have occurred in both or not at all—so I dug a little deeper. I recalled that I had previously visited Wiki&#x27;s Aspartame page some years back so I went looking to see if I had kept a copy of the page and sure enough I had saved it (it&#x27;s not unusual for me to save Wiki pages).<p>Anyway, upon reexamination of the earlier page, I found that the ball-and-stick formula was also incorrect therein. Clearly, I&#x27;d not noticed the error back then.<p>The date of that earlier viewing was April 5, 2012, so the Wikipedia page has had that blatant error present for over 9 years—it could be much longer as I never checked when the page was originally posted! Given both its notoriety and controversy, how could such a large mistake exist in this Aspartame page for so long without anyone noticing it?<p>I then tried to correct the error. I attempted to edit the page only to be informed that my domain was unacceptable and so I could not do so. I then resorted to contacting Wiki by other means and informing them of the error and they corrected fault within hours.<p>If anyone has a reasonable explanation for why this error could exist so long on Wiki without being corrected then I&#x27;d love to know. Moreover, why would only the balls-and-stick be in error when it is normal for both representations to be generated on a common piece of software?<p>Second Matter:<p><i>&quot;Searle patented this product, naming it Nutrisweet and Equal. Officially, aspartame has a half-life of about 300 days in solution at about pH 4, about the pH of soft drinks, but half life means that half if it as gone by that time. And if the cans are exposed to a hot storeroom or stored in a warm summer garage, they may deteriorate faster.&quot;</i><p>I&#x27;d rarely have the opportunity to drink &#x27;old&#x27; artificially sweetened drinks of this sort. First I don&#x27;t drink many of them, and second, I only buy them in the supermarket where there&#x27;s a very fast turnover of stock.<p>That said, I find Diet Coca Cola unbearably sweet and almost undrinkable when its chilled and completely undrinkable when warm, the others, Zero etc., I find so sweet that they&#x27;re undrinkable under any conditions.<p>Could it be that drink manufactures are actually increasing sweetness past the so-called &#x27;bliss point&#x27; to allow for the deterioration&#x2F;aging of aspartame? Perhaps they&#x27;re aiming for some &#x27;ideal&#x27; or average date past manufacture where the maximum number of punters would likely be consuming the stuff.<p>Does anyone know or have factual information about such matters?
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easton_s超过 3 年前
After getting covid Pepsi Max tastes off.
ivanstame超过 3 年前
I refuse to drink diet&#x2F;zero coke, since it&#x27;s disgusting probably because of artificial sweeteners...
thrown_22超过 3 年前
&gt;Later, when he licked his fingers to turn a page, he discovered a very sweet taste. Since he realized that the compound he made was unlikely to be toxic, he tasted it and found it extremely sweet indeed. In fact, aspartame is about 200 times as sweet by weight as sugar.<p>This is horrifying.
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theGeatZhopa超过 3 年前
Stop drinking coke! It&#x27;s not well for you. Especially when you get older. The problem lies within the phosphoric acid added in plenty amounts.<p>It&#x27;s not exactly only coca cola&#x27;s problem, but it adds up.<p>Phosphorus is been added everywhere - from Sausages (e.g. the one in hot dogs. Or, The one&#x27;s intended to be grilled like the GERMAN SAUSAGE) to muffins. I think, it&#x27;s called sometimes backing soda - the powder you add to make cakes or croissants fluffy. Not to compare with the Natrium bicarbonate which is ok ..<p>So the phosphorus is needed for every living cell. Essential for the live developed.<p>The problem:<p>We need phosphorus to build our bones. Phosphorus reacts with Calcium and they build up salt difficult to dissolve back to calcium and phosphorus. Usually, that will be incorporated into our bones and makes the bone&#x27;s structure and fillings.<p>The problem starts when you grew older and your kidneys worsen. It still can be enough to clean your blood, but give a possibility for phosphorus to accumulate slowly in your blood.<p>With too much phosphorus in your blood, your body tries to regulate that - as your kidneys can&#x27;t do the work properly anymore, there&#x27;s is just one way:<p>going through the Calcium-phosphate-double-circle-regulation.<p>That means, if one is having to much phosphorus in the blood, your body start to produce a hormone that stimulates releasing more calcium into your blood to bind that phosphorus. The calcium comes out of the Bones. They get easy broken like glass. and.. the bound phosphorus and calcium are in your blood vessels. Difficult to dissolve back. Cluttering the vessels.<p>That&#x27;s one of the reasons for arteriosclerosis and insults. But also for the elder getting blind (Makula degenerative illness) and deaf (I think). A lot of people have that.<p>So. I stopped consuming anything with added phosphate contents.<p>Thank me later.
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oversocialized超过 3 年前
Lol at all these big coke and sugar shills in this thread. Read Sugar Blues and You All Have Sanpaku. Sugar is bad for your body. Sodastream carbonation is bad for teeth and supports Israel&#x27;s occupation in the west bank. Best play is to ween off it completely. First start with sugar beverages (and alcohol if you drink). Once that is kicked, look at the artificially added sugar in foods.
271828182846超过 3 年前
I don&#x27;t get the concept of diet soda. If you consume something unhealthy - shouldn&#x27;t it at least taste good? Or is it some sort of self-punishment?
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