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Meta threatens to shut down Facebook and Instagram in Europe

50 点作者 ChemSpider超过 3 年前

37 条评论

jsnell超过 3 年前
Already discussed extensively in the past few days:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30207734" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30207734</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30234026" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30234026</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30234444" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30234444</a>
gregdoesit超过 3 年前
This reads less of a threat from Meta, and more of outlining all possible outcomes in an annual report - one they have to do, else risk shareholders suing, and winning, in the extremely unlikely case they would restrict some of their product offering in Europe as a flex. This is similar to how, if you read S1 filings, they will list all possible things that could go wrong, and ways the business can stumble, for the same reason.<p>Meta is reasoning how they would be unable to do cross-region ad targeting with the current regulation.<p>None of what they write has anything to with Instagram or Facebook&#x27;s ability to operate. It all has to do with how accurate and profitable Facebooks&#x27; cross-region ad targeting would be.<p>An underlying story not reported by Mashable is how the increasingly restrictive EU regulations do, in fact, present more cost and headaches for all companies operating globally. For any small and medium-sized business, it&#x27;s increasingly not economical to implement adhering to regulations themselves: and it increasingly makes sense to use middlemen who provide these services - from payments processing to user data storage.<p>It feels we&#x27;re entering a time when operating globally will mean investing resources and custom development to operate within the regulations in the EU, in India (also pushing for more EU-style regulations) and in China (a different beast altogether). The regions who have not yet implemented similar regulations and are more of an &quot;operate however you want&quot; model are the US, Canada, LatAm and Africa.
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bb88超过 3 年前
The real title of the story is:<p>&quot;Americans, get jealous: Meta threatens to shut down Facebook and Instagram in Europe<p>OK, do the U.S. now!&quot;
qnsi超过 3 年前
People writing in this thread that FB won&#x27;t be missed - yeah it won&#x27;t be missed by average HN user who doesn&#x27;t use FB. Meanwhile all my friends use Instagram stories, communicate on FB messenger, browse local events on FB events, we don&#x27;t have good reddit clone in my country so a lot of discussions happen in FB groups.<p>FB leaving EU would be felt by many. There would be room for a quick copycats, but probably the experience would be subpar without ads cashcow.
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yreg超过 3 年前
This seems like a very strange thing for them to say.<p>I can imagine if Microsoft, Google or Amazon threatened to stop offering services EU might at least care since their services would be missed, at least short term. (Although the threat would be obviously just as empty as Meta&#x27;s.)<p>I don&#x27;t see why should our regulators care at all to keep Meta here though.
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edanm超过 3 年前
&gt; To which we as Americans can only say: Luckyyyyyyyyyy!!!!<p>I cannot believe the arrogance and insensitivity of this article, not to mention many other HN&#x27;ers in this thread, who cannot seem to understand that what they like and what other people like <i>aren&#x27;t the same thing</i>.<p>Millions of people happily use Facebook and Instagram every day, myself included. The fact that you don&#x27;t use it is not a reason to think down on the people who do, or to wish that something that they like would no longer be available to them.<p>The lack of empathy towards other people on display here is ridiculos.
sillysaurusx超过 3 年前
Jeez, HN is vicious. Reminds me of the two minutes hate. Who would’ve guessed it’d be for a company and not a person? We even have the tribalism thing going on where if you think Facebook is fine, you’re a suspicious outsider.<p>It’s one of the most popular services in the world. I guarantee you society would react strongly to the sudden absence of it, no matter how much you wouldn’t. We are all outliers. And that doesn’t make us better.
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atoav超过 3 年前
As a EU citizen this would roughly be the best thing that could happen in terms of Facebook&#x2F;Instagram.<p>And I say that although I use instagram.
bryanrasmussen超过 3 年前
What I find interesting here is it reminds me of MS at the height of anti-MS sentiment where they would release statements that sounded like, frankly, they don&#x27;t understand how much they are hated or they wouldn&#x27;t be giving everyone such easy ammunition to load.
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creshal超过 3 年前
Don&#x27;t threaten us with a good time.
plankers超过 3 年前
not to rain on the parade, but this has already been posted <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30234444" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30234444</a><p>ah screw it. these guys suck, keep ripping on &#x27;em.
tjpnz超过 3 年前
&gt;Meta says the ability to process user data in between countries is crucial for its business both operationally and for ad targeting<p>And yet there&#x27;s Amazon Japan.
M_Moonshine_cc超过 3 年前
And off they go and will not be missed!
codeflow2202超过 3 年前
I hate FB as anyone else here, but I&#x27;d be worried of whatever will take its place. All this anti Meta sentiment is only helping even worse competitors like Tiktok to grow. And to be fair I have the feeling that this anti FB campaign that has been going on for years is probably well funded and orchestrated by some competing interest.
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blitzar超过 3 年前
I call your bluff Meta, and raise you <i>pay some tax</i> as well.
wcoenen超过 3 年前
Previously discussed at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30234026" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30234026</a> (which also links to an article with a more professional tone than Mashable)
alkonaut超过 3 年前
Oh no!<p>Anyway…<p>I hope they do. It should send a pretty obvious message that it’s <i>hard</i> to operate a business trading in user data. And it should be.<p>I wish some official would come out saying what we are all thinking: “is that a promise? Is there anything we can to to expedite this?”
ummonk超过 3 年前
I shouldn&#x27;t but I continue to be surprised by the levels of clickbait and lies that journalists will stoop to. Rather ridiculous to pretend a typical disclosure of risks to investors actually constitutes a threat.
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mrweasel超过 3 年前
As others have pointed out, this isn&#x27;t a real threat. There is no way Meta would allow competitors to have a market of 500 million Europeans for themselves.<p>If the &quot;threat&quot; is something Meta is required to write in their SEC reports, because EU regulations might be an issue for their profitability, then it&#x27;s a little weird that they don&#x27;t have to specify that pulling out of Europe might be an even greater threat.
shafyy超过 3 年前
Well, they are already not selling the Quest 2 in Germany because of privacy reasons. I&#x27;m aware that the ad revenue they make in EU is several orders of magnitude larger than what they would make with the Quest 2. However, Germany for sure is (relatively seen) an important market for the Quest 2.<p>Still, I don&#x27;t believe that they will follow through with this &quot;threat&quot; (even though I would welcome it).
nairboon超过 3 年前
Is it even a threat, if no one is afraid?
pmontra超过 3 年前
Yes please, it&#x27;s going to be good for the mental health of a lot of people. We&#x27;ll find new ways of communicating, people always did. In five years we&#x27;ll be like &quot;do you remember when we had Facebook? How could we do [something new I can&#x27;t foresee] back then?&quot;
bhub超过 3 年前
Could be nice for most individuals but I see the point about businesses. Especially smaller ones. Personally I would love to be able to see business opening hours without having to log I to Facebook, but it’s a “free” place to run your business site from.
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ajuc超过 3 年前
Good riddance.<p>Yes, some things depend on facebook. In vast majority of cases they really shouldn&#x27;t.<p>Facebook, Google, Amazon, all these companies can only get away with their worldwide monopolies for so long. Eventually they will get regulated. It&#x27;s a good thing.
thatgerhard超过 3 年前
Please do, that will help getting rid of it completely in the future..
signa11超过 3 年前
is it possible that if they go through with it, it might open up the entire continent to an alternate &#x2F; competitor, which can then threaten them globally ?<p>thinking a bit more, it seems that there might be a fine acceptable line of action between the scylla of share everything (which mean no privacy) and charybdis of share nothing (which means no internet), and it might (unfortunately !) be upto the politicians to draw it...
enriquto超过 3 年前
Great! Can&#x27;t they do Whatsapp as well?
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crocwrestler超过 3 年前
I would miss Meta as I use messenger frequently and greatly enjoy using my oculus&#x2F;meta quest 2.
ploppyploppy超过 3 年前
Oh please do. We can collectively have our mental health back from this contagion. Thanks!
jll29超过 3 年前
We don&#x27;t need Facebook in Europe, we prefer to visit our friends in person to talk to them without surveillance capitalism.
parski超过 3 年前
&quot;Oh no!&quot;
ssss11超过 3 年前
That’ll do their share price alot of good!
xtanx超过 3 年前
Obvious bluff.
sAbakumoff超过 3 年前
Good news. Perhaps I can return the shitty oculus thing. It&#x27;s more useless than a bag of dicks without a handle.
peter-m80超过 3 年前
I wish meta dissapears from EU
Mandatum超过 3 年前
Europe: <i>did I stutter</i>
efficientsticks超过 3 年前
That would lead to a huge influx in money from VCs wanting to fill the vacuum and jobs as advertisers suddenly have a harder, less scalable job to get an outreach.<p>European countries can and should take them up on that. Thanks to GDPR people can export their data to a new network pretty easily, but I expect most won’t even care&#x2F;expect to keep the old data.