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My thirty years of dodging repetitive work with automation tools

170 点作者 conoro超过 3 年前

28 条评论

mromanuk超过 3 年前
I read it happily waiting for the aha moment until the very end, where I realized that it was just an adpost for a new ifttt/transform tool with a glaze of "low code is the future" (All that for just $30k/year)
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ziggus超过 3 年前
This was a pretty interesting adicle until the sales started in earnest. Tines looks mildly interesting, but it's wildly expensive and the community edition isn't available on-premises, so it's a hard pass from me. Plus, I'm immediately skeptical of any company that crows about anything Gartner-related.
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Havoc超过 3 年前
The very last thing I want out of my automation tools is SaaS. Not even if it’s free.<p>Ansible, bash, python etc. stuff I can control, self host and move around at will. Even selfhosted gitlab ci makes me wary<p>Tired of getting held hostage by all these crappy SaaS that start of ok and then squeeze
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Axsuul超过 3 年前
Had anyone tried out <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;n8n-io&#x2F;n8n" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;n8n-io&#x2F;n8n</a><p>Also a Zapier competitor but self-hosted
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mercwear超过 3 年前
From the outside looking in Tines looks to be a less feature rich and much more expensive version of Zapier (almost like a VC had the idea of building a Zapier clone and slapping a ridiculous price on it along with some &quot;security&quot; verbiage to spur the interest of larger businesses who see a $99&#x2F;mo product and instantly believe it&#x27;s not enterprise ready).<p>I do not see a way to automate most of my side projects given the free plan limitations and for an individual the pricing is a non-starter.
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bikingbismuth超过 3 年前
I once had to implement SOAR in a “no code” automation solution (it was not Tines), and it was terrible. There were a lot of connectors and transformers, but almost all of them had some weird quirks that made them hard to use effectively. Coming from an “all code” background I was pulling my hair out trying to troubleshoot everything. The project was sufficiently onerous that I actually left my job over it.
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tediousdemise超过 3 年前
These comments all present valid reasons why low-code is usually a nightmare. To me, the most egregious offender is vendor lock-in: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Vendor_lock-in" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Vendor_lock-in</a>.<p>It&#x27;s all fine and dandy if you found a low-code solution that works for you, as long as you&#x27;re comfortable paying a premium to pigeon hole yourself with that solution for the unforeseeable future, with no guarantees that you won&#x27;t get royally screwed by some combination of planned obsolescence, feature deprecation, or the success of the company whose low-code product you are using.
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Jedd超过 3 年前
&gt; My main issue with Node-RED is that I have to install, run and maintain it myself. There have been times when I&#x27;ve forgotten which Raspberry Pi it was running on and I&#x27;ve re-flashed the SD card!<p>Installing Node-RED is a low-effort task. Setting up backups of your flows is a tad more effort, but plenty of documentation around this. It also does IMAP, I believe. In an article bemoaning vendor abandonment syndrome, something free that runs on your own equipment, is a feature.<p>A post-it note would be a cheaper solution to that second problem.
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nescioquid超过 3 年前
By all means, learn to automate ditch-digging. That is certainly useful. If it&#x27;s also your job, perhaps you&#x27;ll notice there&#x27;s just a higher-order ditch to be dug. If so, what&#x27;s the next move? Automate the automation of the ditch-to-be-dug, or start writing a blog about first-order ditch-digging automation? Or shill for a company who furnishes ditch-digging tools?<p>In which case, I&#x27;d suggest learning how to write in a way that doesn&#x27;t channel Dan Brown blog-shit (section header every two paragraphs vs. two-to-three pages a chapter). Or learn to write ad copy, or talk about using VAX systems to fill out the preamble to your chili recipe. Even failing that, I suppose you&#x27;ve reached your no-code solution out of ditch-digging.
thomasdub超过 3 年前
Co-Founder of tines here, thanks for all of very valid feedback, there’s loads to think about! I’ll respond to a bunch of the comments individually but the one thing I’d say is try it - it’s way more powerful and flexible than any of the products listed here, although it’s marketed as no-code it’s built by engineers for engineers, with tonnes of enterprise features (Retry on status, connecting to external password vaults, global functions and resources, MTLS, forms, free SSO, curl converter etc.)<p>As mandatum says above “The UX of Tines beats the pants off ALL of their competitors.” And we can talk about price.<p>Happy to answer any questions folks have too!
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nebula8804超过 3 年前
I once worked with a software stack called ActiveBatch. I really wish there was something as easy to set up as ActiveBatch available for the consumer market. Even something like Apache Airflow isn&#x27;t competitive in terms of ease of setup.<p>Activebatch is literally just install the scheduler on a Windows system, connect a SQL Server DB(use community edition) and then install the &quot;execution agent&quot; on whatever machine you want to run jobs on. In 10-15 mins you have a full automation environment.<p>From there, you have access to a decent GUI where you can drag, drop connect jobs together and mix and match different technologies, APIs, whatever because you can actually pass data and context from one step to another. They have a library of hundreds of &quot;Job Steps&quot; that range from simple stuff like copying files&#x2F;FTP&#x2F;SSH to things like calculating checksums to things like interacting with Twitter to send out tweets based on whatever condition you specify. There is just so much you can do and then they allow you to extend it with scripting&#x2F;APIs etc.<p>Has anyone here used Activebatch? It is a hidden gem. Unfortunately it is an enterprise product so it is off limits to most people. Really wish someone made an open source alternative. :&#x2F;<p>Here is a video but it does a pretty poor job explaining the capabilities of this software: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=s6Pw-Sisry0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=s6Pw-Sisry0</a>
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a_brawling_boo超过 3 年前
Here is a related story. I should mention Tines or OP has no relationship I know of with Salesforce, for background Mulesolft is a cloud focused integration platform owned by Salesforce, who&#x27;s big feature is visual mapping, visual workflows, etc. (of course it is more complex than this, read up if you are interested):<p>I attended another meetup&#x2F;training, Mulesoft was really pushing their web only visual workflow&#x2F;mapping tool. And the instructor goes over the entire song and dance, and I said to him, that I was having real difficulty even understanding what type of problem this tool would be good for in a real-world situation. And he takes his glasses off and says to a room full of maybe 30 or 40 developers, that this tool they had been pushing so hard should NEVER be used in production, its only real use was for sale demos and maybe, maybe, doing some sort of POC which would need to be reproduced in &#x27;code&#x27; at a later time. He used weasel words to say all of this of course, but his meaning was clear. This was 2018~2019, not the stone ages. So, I wasted that evening (there would be more) going to a sales enablement seminar billing itself a developer learning workshop.
Nuzzerino超过 3 年前
I actually had to use this about a year ago to build a SOAR system at a Fortune 500 company. The Tines team was pretty responsive to questions and requests for help, and they even sent me a nice box of swag. The box arrived after I resigned from that job, however.<p>No matter how many niceties you put on flow-based programming, the tools I had to use (all serverless) were the wrong ones for the job, and management was unreceptive to feedback (they wouldn&#x27;t even give me a github repository).<p>I think Tines has potential but it&#x27;s going to have to invest more into mitigating its shortcomings, not just further improvements on what it already does well. For example, as of March 2021, it was still far too easy to misclick and break something in production with no confirmation. You could export your setup as json, but IMO there was too much friction&#x2F;manual work with that approach for it to be useful. To be fair, the company was pretty early stage at the time, maybe it&#x27;s improved since then.<p>I don&#x27;t blame Tines for what was the worst job I ever had (which I still have nightmares about to this day), but maybe someone else can be avoided the same fate with this feedback.
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emersonrsantos超过 3 年前
You must be kidding, for 30k&#x2F;year I can hire my own human python developer.
_pdp_超过 3 年前
I feel that all workflow tools are simply lacking in terms of capabilities. Sure, the base-cases are covered but when it comes to something remotely useful it is best to be implemented with real code. That being said, I think there is certainly a need for some low-code tools where your requirement is simply basic automation and service plumbing, as long as it is not mission critical, i.e. take value from system A and put in system B.<p>For example, do you really want to implement the entire Slack interactive callback workflow for displaying a simple dialog to a user? I guess not. I workflow will do a much better job at that sort of problems.<p>That being all said, I don&#x27;t think tines does a particularly good job at this because it simply chains a number of HTTP requests. Some of these APIs require special care and HTTP simply does not cut it.
moron123超过 3 年前
I can&#x27;t believe I got all the way to the bottom without seeing a mention of integromat.<p>As an automation addict (and a no longer coding coder) this is what you should be using.<p>Prices range from free to cheap and I&#x27;m sure it does 99.9% of what &quot;tines&quot; does
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iJohnDoe超过 3 年前
I have a tab delimited file that I bring into Excel. I need to review it on it a regular basis for cybersecurity reasons.<p>I load the file into Excel and then use the Excel Filters feature to get pulldown menus for each column. I then review the columns and filter for ports, user-agents, IPs, etc. Pretty typical stuff.<p>Anyone know how to automate the above that would basically just spit out files based on how I’m manually doing the filters? Then I can just open a file that is grouped by user-agents or open a file grouped by ports.<p>Thanks.
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joshspankit超过 3 年前
I wasn’t paying proper attention on first click and thought I was on [ny]ti<i>m</i>es.com<p>The sales push felt very odd from that perspective, and the free tier of 3(!) is my non-starter.
ents超过 3 年前
$30k&#x2F;year?!
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nefitty超过 3 年前
I have had a lot of fun and success with Keyboard Maestro for Mac and Shortcuts for iOS. For my work, I try to automate Terminal commands. I also dabbled a little with bash scripts. I love that Shortcuts lets me think programatically and flex those muscles for fun tasks.<p>Here&#x27;s some stuff I have set up:<p>Mac:<p>- I use several displays, and don&#x27;t usually use the built-in monitor. I have an automation that dims it until it turns off.<p>- I have recurring KM script that deletes Yarn and NPM caches. They get huuuuge.<p>- I have a bash script that shows me the temperature of my Mac. I might be able to add an alert if the temp goes above x.<p>iOS:<p>- I hooked up my Pavlok shock bracelet to Reminders. I get a percentage chance of getting shocked every 15mins if tasks aren&#x27;t done. The more tasks done, the less likely it is.<p>- Shortcut to pull up Youtube videos for PiP without a Youtube Premium account. You can find that online. Game changer.<p>- Sci-Hub and Meta.org search shortcuts made available in the share menu. You can get my Sci-Hub shortcut here (a good starting point for other search shortcuts): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;observablehq.com&#x2F;@iz&#x2F;sci-hub-mirrors" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;observablehq.com&#x2F;@iz&#x2F;sci-hub-mirrors</a><p>- To help me debug shortcuts, I created a logger that writes to Data Jar or to a Note. Helps soo much. I haven&#x27;t released it but you can get my Twitter at the link above if you&#x27;re interested.<p>Node dev:<p>- Semantic commit template accessible through Dash&#x27;s text-expander<p>- Next.js sucks but I made some scripts to automate that work. I had to use a Chrome-watcher that let&#x27;s me refresh specific tabs from the command line.<p>There&#x27;s many more. I wanted to share mine to maybe give you an idea of what tools to check out and what to automate to approximate your robotic luxury communist future.
aspyct超过 3 年前
lol, didn&#x27;t expect that kind of pricing.
balaji1超过 3 年前
You could seek automate-able repetitive work and not have to dodge said repetitive work.
tomrod超过 3 年前
This is an advertisement.<p>That said, I never played with Yahoo Pipes. It looks like Alteryx I think?
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waynecochran超过 3 年前
THIS IS A FRIGGIN&#x27; AD! Didn&#x27;t figure it until close to the end...
ineedasername超过 3 年前
TLDR: automation saves you time; here&#x27;s a $30,000&#x2F;year tool that you can use for it. If you only need 10 automations.
go_prodev超过 3 年前
So it&#x27;s like powerautomate, but without the power suite.
dabeeeenster超过 3 年前
Who upvoted this?!
nyx超过 3 年前
This article is a lengthy preamble to an advertisement for a SaaS product, but I&#x27;m thankful you at least get to a conclusion before the evangelism begins: there&#x27;s a basic pattern here, i.e. &quot;get data from X, transform it, and put it in Y&quot;, and the tools, systems, and platforms listed are all solutions to the same basic problem.<p>I&#x27;m sure there&#x27;s a use case and a market for this product, but I&#x27;d wager that I&#x27;m not alone among the HN audience in thinking that I&#x27;d rather have a couple shell scripts in a Docker container on my own hardware or whatever than spend a bunch of money irreversibly trapping my automations in some proprietary cloud-hosted thing where they can be held ransom come the renewal date.
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