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On the Future of 12ft

139 点作者 jackdaw12超过 3 年前

24 条评论

john-doe超过 3 年前
I used 12ft for some time and got tired of loading bloated news websites twice. Archive.today is a good alternative but means making copies of crap articles somewhere else, while I just want to read them once. Ultimately I recommend txtify.it, a service that uses Readability, as a more sensible solution.<p>Bookmarklet: javascript:q=location.hostname+location.pathname;location.href=&quot;<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;txtify.it&#x2F;&quot;+q;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;txtify.it&#x2F;&quot;+q;</a>
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whywhywhywhy超过 3 年前
Every time I tried to use this thing it said it was disabled for every site I tried.
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poopsmithe超过 3 年前
Well this is ironic. Well intentioned developer creates site to bypass paywalls. Site is a popular success, and begins to cost too much money for the developer to maintain. Developer comes up with a solution which is to introduce an optional paywall.<p>I&#x27;m not just poking fun... I actually sympathize because I&#x27;m in a similar situation with one of my projects. I&#x27;ve had to reconsider being a 100% ideals-based person and actually set up methods for people to give me money.<p>I&#x27;ve always appreciated sites offering free content, but now I&#x27;m in the unique situation where I&#x27;m the one publishing content. It takes a lot of time and energy to put together and my other sources of income can only cover the bills for so long. The harsh reality is that free services require money to operate.
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xchaotic超过 3 年前
I have one almost legitimate use for 12ft.io - sharing links for a paid subscription news site where I actually pay the annual fee and the site has it’s own way of letting users share articles with friends and family. But the built in process is onerous, one has to sign up and they nag you to subscribe which is a long journey to read one article. So I hope 12ft guy can find a niche like that to sustain a legitimate business.
ketzo超过 3 年前
This person is asking for money in order to help provide a service… and that service is “stop other people from asking for money to provide a service.” Hard not to feel a <i>little</i> irony.<p>There are approximately three outcomes here.<p>1. Google shuts this guy down, some way or another 2. Paywalled sites sue this into oblivion<p>Or <i>worst of all</i>,<p>3. Google stops being able to usefully surface decent news content.<p>Paywalls are annoying, but this is not a long-term solution.
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throwaway81523超过 3 年前
I kind of laughed at that, but it seems like asking for trouble. Bypassing paywalls on a slightly underground basis is something the publications might tolerate or live with like ad blockers, but doing it for profit is painting a target on your back.<p>Also I wonder what kind of hosting 12ft is using, where bandwith costs so much, unless they are using 100s of TB per month or more (maybe they are). These days there is tons of super low cost bandwidth if you bypass the big providers.
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wrs超过 3 年前
The “Why?” section of the home page is rather disingenuous, since the Economist is not “SEO optimized garbage”, nor does it want you to “sign up for some newsletter”. It’s just an excellent newspaper that needs to pay the staff that writes all those articles. Just like 12ft.io needs to pay its hosting provider.
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PragmaticPulp超过 3 年前
&gt; How does it work?<p>&gt; The idea is pretty simple, news sites want Google to index their content so it shows up in search results. So they don&#x27;t show a paywall to the Google crawler. We benefit from this because the Google crawler will cache a copy of the site every time it crawls it.<p>&gt; All we do is show you that cached, unpaywalled version of the page.<p>This seems like something that could be accomplished entirely client-side, without incurring bandwidth costs to the server.<p>Or am I missing something about how this service works?
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gzer0超过 3 年前
How is 12ft Ladder any different than this Github repo that does the same thing? This is one of the more popular repos as well at 22k stars.<p>Genuinely curious, as I&#x27;ve just been using [1] and have had no issues bypassing paywalls. If 12ft has access to more sites, or something, that would be a better use case.<p>The owner of the repo does not even want donations, just a star, otherwise, I&#x27;d contribute!<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;iamadamdev&#x2F;bypass-paywalls-chrome" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;iamadamdev&#x2F;bypass-paywalls-chrome</a>
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whateveriforgot超过 3 年前
12ft.io does a great job of bypassing paywalls, which is needed because people want to avoid paying for the content they want to see. What&#x27;s more, 12ft is basically an open CGI proxy server. The chances that it will be used to death without any efficient way to monetize it seems high. FWIW I do think it&#x27;s a great service and is very helpful when you only need to access one article from a site you&#x27;ll never need&#x2F;want a subscription for. But I can definitely see there being people taking advantage of it when they want to avoid subscribing to whatever service.
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gkoberger超过 3 年前
So basically he makes it so people can steal articles... and then he&#x27;s realizing that yeah, running a website is expensive and that&#x27;s why companies have paywalls in the first place.
greatjack613超过 3 年前
Check out <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webreader.app" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webreader.app</a> , it works with way more sites and is privacy preserving.
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Brajeshwar超过 3 年前
I honestly won&#x27;t mind paying publishers to read the articles I want to read. However, I&#x27;m not interested in reading 90% of the articles from a publication&#x2F;website. I hope, there will be an easy and seamless way to pay-as-you-read per article or a day&#x2F;week&#x2F;month pass.<p>It is not that I don&#x27;t know how to &quot;hack&quot; and find ways to read paywalled articles -- almost every paywalled website is un-paywallable. It is that it is very irritating, and taxes the brain.<p>I pay for quite a few of them, hoping to support the writers, and do not worry about finding ways to find ways around. Eventually, I do NOT read more than 2-3 articles a week from them. Most of the time, months goes by without even stumbling on a single article from such publications.
cranberryturkey超过 3 年前
I built something like this with 500k urls in the db, then sqlite shit the bed and now I can&#x27;t use it.
1vuio0pswjnm7超过 3 年前
Generally, for recreational web use, I never use Javascript, or even CSS. I prefer to use a text-only browser.<p>There are websites that apparently have &quot;paywalls&quot;, but without Javascript, I do not even know these &quot;paywalls&quot; exist. I read every article on a website without any indication of any limitations.<p>The NY Times and The Economist are examples. What people refer to as &quot;paywalls&quot; are simply Javascript annoyances. One has to run the Javascript to experience the annoyance.<p>Perhaps the &quot;privilege&quot; of running the website&#x27;s Javascript is a &quot;benefit&quot; of subscription. However I would not run the Javascript regardless of whether I was subscribed or not. That choice has nothing to do with the idea of &quot;paywall&quot;. I choose not to run Javascript on any website. This improves the web experience for me in too many ways to count.<p>News publications could approach susbscription as (a) access versus (b) no access, e.g., password-protection. Yet some publications approach subscription instead as (a) access without Javascript annoyances versus (b) access with Javascript annoyances. Of course (b) only applies if one chooses to run the Javascript.<p>Every web user has the option not to run other people&#x27;s code, i.e., Javascript.<p>The access model that scientific journals use seems to work well enough. Access is granted to an IP address. If the subscriber is on a different IP address, she can get access through a password-protected proxy.
charcircuit超过 3 年前
&gt;Bandwidth costs are getting high.<p>Have you considered using hosts that come with more free &#x2F; unlimited bandwidth?
jokowueu超过 3 年前
It doesn&#x27;t work with known websites . I guess they are paid off by them ?
wutwut5521超过 3 年前
I find the site useful and want to pay, but don’t want a browser extension.
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jrochkind1超过 3 年前
From the home page explanation....<p>&gt; How does it work?<p>&gt; The idea is pretty simple, news sites want Google to index their content so it shows up in search results. So they don&#x27;t show a paywall to the Google crawler. We benefit from this because the Google crawler will cache a copy of the site every time it crawls it.<p>&gt; All we do is show you that cached, unpaywalled version of the page.<p>— <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;12ft.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;12ft.io&#x2F;</a><p>They&#x27;re just showing you Google cache? Like.. what you can get by putting `cache:` in front of a URL in chrome? (Or using an extension in Firefox?).<p>So, this site gives you access to the same thing by putting `12ft.io&#x2F; ` in front of the URL instead of, say, `cache:`? Is there something more to it? That... seems like an interesting thing to ask people to pay for.
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newsclues超过 3 年前
I’ve always found paying for pirated content (dvds, or streaming services) was gross.
animex超过 3 年前
Is there any way to filter out the paywalled links on HN? I&#x27;d rather just browse free web content than fight with paywalls and bypassers.
throwingtt超过 3 年前
Maybe pay the original paywall?
DantesKite超过 3 年前
I don&#x27;t understand. Isn&#x27;t this stealing?
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waffle_maniac超过 3 年前
Is there a reason this isn’t built into Brave? Lawsuits?
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