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Notes apps are where ideas go to die, and that’s good

301 点作者 maguay大约 3 年前

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ttiurani大约 3 年前
This is quite extreme: you absolutely can and will lose amazing ideas unless you can find them later written down. This comes up in interviews with great creative people all the time.<p>Just listen to David Lynch:<p>&quot;I write [ideas] down so I don&#x27;t commit suicide later having forgotten the idea. I&#x27;ve forgotten probably two or three major ideas, and it&#x27;ll make you sick, just horrible. Write the idea down. You&#x27;ll say: I&#x27;ll never forget this idea. Ah-uh: you can forget them.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=uHhf76z6BkM&amp;t=197s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=uHhf76z6BkM&amp;t=197s</a>
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em-bee大约 3 年前
i write stuff down so i can stop memorizing it. sometimes i get back to that, sometimes i don&#x27;t. it doesn&#x27;t matter. if it is important i will remember it, or remember that i wrote a note about it (and then hopefully find that note). if it is not important then it will stay there left ignored.<p>the problem is i seem to treat browsertabs the same way. i open tabs intending to look at them later. then forget about them, and so they accumulate. i could close all the tabs, but some actually are important. and so i have to go through them, and clean them out once in a while.
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Rygian大约 3 年前
Reminds me of one of the writing tips by Neil Gaiman [1]: &quot;Start a compost heap&quot;<p>The act of entering information into a Notes app feeds the compost heap in a more or less indirect way, which then acts as subconscious nurture for later creativity. If you of the creative kind, that is.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;writingcooperative.com&#x2F;neil-gaimans-top-13-writing-tips-d78848fd85f0?gi=b5884cec9d49" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;writingcooperative.com&#x2F;neil-gaimans-top-13-writing-t...</a>
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thenerdhead大约 3 年前
While the stuff we write down is not valuable, the process of doing so is very valuable.<p>Most people don&#x27;t even take notes or use a shoebox&#x2F;second brain to store these things. What most lifelong notetakers know is that the notes themselves aren&#x27;t important, but rather the process of physically writing the notes, internalizing the information, and building new connections in your head is quite important.<p>The remnants of this process are mostly throw away from the author&#x27;s perspective, but may be novel to a random person. This reminds me of someone uncovering a journal of nonsensical information saying &quot;What&#x27;s this about?&quot; to then the author says &quot;That&#x27;s how I figured it out&quot;.<p>The beauty of it all is that it&#x27;s meaningful to the author and not necessarily anyone else.
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ljm大约 3 年前
One of the reasons I have a nice notebook and pen to write with is because I can enjoy getting stuff out of my head and then, probably, never returning to it again.<p>Just a simple thing so I enjoy the act of offloading in whatever way I feel like doing (scribbling, thoughtful stuff, drawing, whatever) and then I&#x27;ve freed up some space in my head so I can relax.<p>I could try the same with a notekeeping app but I feel like I have to actually maintain them, or work with their system. Not to mention, it requires screen time that I might not want. A pen and some paper has no such system so it&#x27;s liberating.
pydry大约 3 年前
IME when the note is intended to be dropped off and picked up at a particular time it&#x27;s useful (e.g. remember to pack insect repellent -&gt; add to packing list -&gt; wait 4 weeks -&gt; check packing list).<p>I&#x27;m increasingly convinced of the value of checklists for small items - especially repeated tasks.<p>If it&#x27;s a cool idea for, like, a new business or the start of essay without any predefined time to pick it up and work on it it ends up being kind of pointless and just creates a mess.<p>For those things, if it&#x27;s a good idea it&#x27;ll pop up in your head again, probably in a better form.<p>Note taking has to act like a pipeline to be useful.
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auggierose大约 3 年前
Since I started note-taking a few years ago, my productivity has increased dramatically. The biggest benefit is that you can stop working on an idea for a bit, then come back later and read it back from disk to main memory, often now seeing issues with what you have written down that are apparent now, but were not back then.<p>Writing a paper about your idea is the ultimate form of this, but of course most of the time overkill. But it is good to bundle everything up in a paper once enough stuff has accumulated.
Tempest1981大约 3 年前
&gt; Then you try to relocate a note, only to find &gt; that your favorite app’s search doesn’t seem &gt; to be as good as you thought it was at first. &gt; Now we don’t feel safe forgetting anymore<p>I guess I&#x27;m lucky that this rarely happens. Search works great, and is instant.<p>I kept waiting for deeper insight, like a system of prioritzation, or culling tricks. But the article seemed to just repeat itself: writing things down frees our brain, and forgetting is ok. We feel value in doing so, ok.
brnt大约 3 年前
Most notes I take I never read again. That&#x27;s OK, that&#x27;s what archives are for. Same with mail, bills, etc. It&#x27;s still useful to collect them, and in case of notes write them.<p>Sometimes I chuck out a whole bunch of Todos just to free my mind and it never turned into regret. I think that is why all these new note taking tools and ideas are not that important; the most important bit in note taking is taking the damn note.
lycopodiopsida大约 3 年前
I think that author has a point - most of the time I also save pages just to have it saved, and never look at it. But, on the other side, if you need something again, you need it badly in my experience.<p>DevonThink solved this problem for me years ago. I just pull in all the documents&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;web pages&#x2F;text, let it auto-categorize them &amp;&amp; forget. The only difference is that it has quit powerful and fast search, so that I can find them again in seconds. Bookmarks never worked for me and I don&#x27;t have time and dedication for Zettelkasten-like systems.
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Semiapies大约 3 年前
Just to get it out of the way: 300 weight #6b7280 on white. Someone hates eyes.<p>As for the content...meh. The file(s) or book(s) you put your ideas in are like compost piles. You throw things in them, and every once in a while you get out the pitchfork and turn them over. You see if some half-baked concept has become fertilizer for your current thoughts. You admire how some old brainstorm has rotted down to goo after you&#x27;ve learned more on a subject. You fish out some weirdly undecayed thing and go, &quot;Oh, I was <i>looking</i> for that.&quot;
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gexla大约 3 年前
These articles are as bad as the notes people they are bagging on.<p>The trouble is that people try to fit the kitchen sink into the note app and that doesn&#x27;t work. As a programmer, I have specific workflows for each note that I take.<p>Example. I want to try stand-up one day. Each snippet that I think of as a joke, I write down in a note. All snippets go into the same space. Sometimes I think of a snippet which could extend an existing bit (a joke which is larger than a one liner.) Once this page got to a certain length, I didn&#x27;t even have to think about new snippets anymore. All I would have to do is open this page and they would jump out at me.<p>One approach is that if I feel like I got nothing, I can simply scan the list and find something which hits me. Like, I&#x27;ll see a line and immediately think of something which could extend it. Or I&#x27;ll see multiple lines which hit me and I can come up with something which mixes the two together. This may start a new branch of a joke.<p>Apply this to every reason I might add a note. Yes, I have what&#x27;s basically a trash bin where notes go to die. But anything else is sort of like these jokes, they go into a place where I have a specific way to use them. Within my notes app, I have a system of navigation and discovery, which is basically like a website where you follow links and use metadata to place things in certain spots (unless you&#x27;re adding to an existing note.) I use a template which fills in most of what I need and then the remaining is a quick add. I can then query that metadata as if it&#x27;s a real DB.<p>I use Obsidian for this. I used Roam at one point, but it didn&#x27;t have a way to hide things which weren&#x27;t in my navigation path. Everything leaks, because, NETWORK! Nah, I look at it is like building spreadsheets. Each spreadsheet has a certain usage. I don&#x27;t cram all the data into one spreadsheet. I use multiple spreadsheets. Then the app I use (Obsidian) has the above mentioned tools for nice navigation.
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Arainach大约 3 年前
Since it looks like the author posted this article: Please use better color selection. Slightly darker gray on light gray has almost no contrast and is impossible for many to read (and causes strain in those who can).<p>You can automatically check against web accessibility with tools such as WAVE: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wave.webaim.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wave.webaim.org&#x2F;</a><p>In your case, #6B7280 on #F2F2F2 is a contrast ratio of 4.31 which is below all standards for normal sized text. Even for large fonts it would only be valid at lower compliance levels and not at AAA.
vmoore大约 3 年前
Erm, no, I execute on all my bookmarks and put them to use. Because I said I would. I don&#x27;t use an app for bookmarking, just a massive 10000+ list of URLs in a boring text file that I revisit constantly to GTD. As for exobrains, yeah I&#x27;m an externalist[0] through and through, and not ashamed of that. For journaling and note-taking I use Standard Notes.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Externalism" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Externalism</a>
alexpotato大约 3 年前
Couple stories I would share here:<p>LOSING AN ENTIRE INBOX<p>Once while doing a work rotation in Hong Kong, I was RDP&#x27;ing back into my NYC machine and I accidentally deleted ALL of the email in my inbox. At first, I was crushed and felt awful. I quickly moved past this thinking that if anyone really needed me for something, they would reach out again. If I lost anything crucial, I could probably go ask someone else.<p>This was very freeing! Tim Ferriss has a similar exercise where he recommends acting as if you have $0 cash&#x2F;credit card access etc every so often. This helps you a. move that state from &quot;unknown&quot; to &quot;known&quot; b. help you see that many situations seem bad only b&#x2F;c you&#x27;ve never lived through them.<p>IDEAS IN THE ROLODEX<p>I was watching a documentary about the early days of Mad Magazine. They mentioned that one of the writers had a Rolodex of notecards with random ideas he had stored and organized. If they were stuck coming up with an idea, he would spin through the rolodex till he found one that worked.<p>I&#x27;ve always liked this story as it&#x27;s a form of decoupling (asynchronous?) idea inception from idea need. It requires more &quot;caching&quot; than trying to have ideas on demand with the trade off that you are not coming up with the ideas under pressure. While ideas sometimes get generated faster in the immediate need timeframe, I would imagine that also sometimes cuts the scope of those ideas. The decoupled model allows your idea generation boundaries to be much larger.
dodgerdan大约 3 年前
Joplin has changed my life. I now keep notes on everything and frequently reorganize and edit them.<p>I’ve no idea what the author is suggesting as an alternative, not making notes?
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kpt大约 3 年前
Bookmarked this for reading again in 2 weeks, thank you for sharing this was very relatable.
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surrTurr大约 3 年前
For me, it‘s the process of taking notes that provides value. The notes are mere byproducts.
ridewinter大约 3 年前
It&#x27;s the same mechanism as Morning Pages - write exactly 3 pages right when you wake up, whatever is on your mind. It&#x27;s tremendously helpful to move you past whatever you&#x27;re stuck on in life.<p>You can write &quot;I don&#x27;t want to be writing this&quot; over and over if you like. But it turns out that you usually have good things to say.
sebastianconcpt大约 3 年前
<i>We need to forget, but we first must feel safe forgetting.</i><p>Reminds me of some years ago when I finally burnt all sketches and notes, many actually quite pleasant to watch, of a startup I&#x27;ve shutdown in 2015.<p>I think for me, that it was kind of a rite of passage of what it wasn&#x27;t meant to be. And I certainly needed the feeling of moving on.
polote大约 3 年前
What&#x27;s funny with people like OP is that they forget that most people never take notes and are still able to achieve as much as people who take notes. It is like developers who use vim, they deliver as much as people who use VS code.<p>But instead of saying &#x27;yeah whatever&#x27; they try to prove that their way is the right way
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ds89大约 3 年前
This is exactly what I love about Git. I don&#x27;t have to worry about throwing away code and can go back in history whenever I want to (even though I rarely need to).
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fluder大约 3 年前
Even if one note out of a hundred turns out to be useful, this is already a victory. I use and recommend <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fsnot.es" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fsnot.es</a>
xaleb大约 3 年前
I agree with the part where taking notes lets us structure our ideas and helps us remember. However, here&#x27;s one principle that I found very useful: note-taking should be structured in such a way that you _encounter_ notes that you took previously. This is part of the idea behind Roam&#x27;s backlinks, but I think no technology by itself will help here. The problem is having the correct approach: it should be possible to list notes on a topic, and they should be reviewed from time to time to see if they are relevant or not. This way, ideas which were noted down can be reviewed, kept track of, and pruned -- just seeing the title of a note is more than enough for this.<p>I&#x27;ve been doing that for more than half a year on various topics -- world locations, news, films and books I&#x27;ve seen&#x2F;read, CS papers, research ideas -- and the results are great: I can remember more and I call recall and describe my memories more fluidly. What&#x27;s important is that note-taking isn&#x27;t the only way that &quot;old&quot; ideas can be re-encountered. If you want to remember information about the world, just take a look at the world map from time to time, point to places and think about what you want to remember.
socialdemocrat大约 3 年前
I think this story is both right and wrong. I take a lot of notes. But mine are a bit more like descriptions to myself. To me they are invaluable because I forget too easily.<p>As a software developer there are too many technologies, libraries and tools to master. I cannot keep it all in my head.<p>But I find that that writing articles around what I have learned is most effective. I put those online and I can later use Google to relocate them. I actually do this quite a lot.<p>I also found Ulysses and iA writer very useful as they let you categorize notes in a hierarchy and store in markdown. I have most so much notes from using obscure formates.<p>Sticking to markdown has been my best choice for note taking for many years.<p>Another habit I have found useful is to begin highlighting and scribbling in the margins of books.<p>It allows me to reopen a book later and more easily recall important stuff. I avoided this most of my life as I wanted to keep books in pristine conditions, but all you get is this perfectly nice looking book which you read at some point but which no longer hold value because you will never bother reading the whole thing over again.
gjvc大约 3 年前
Never underestimate the creative power of shredding your old notebooks. Makes space (both physically and mentally) for new ideas.
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quanticle大约 3 年前
<i>Flipping through your old notes suddenly “feels like sifting through stale garbage,” as Dan Shipper found, disillusioned after building a galaxy of notes in Roam Research.</i><p>I don&#x27;t have that experience with my notes at all. I regularly refer to old notes. A sample of the queries my notebook (really a folder full of text files) has answered:<p>- How did I sort those things in bash?<p>- What were the setup steps for that software?<p>- Where did I get this fact that I&#x27;m quoting?<p>- I have a bad impression of this movie, why is that?<p>- Why did I choose to architect this code this way; what pitfalls was I avoiding?<p>- What was that brand of tea that I like?<p>- What voltage RAM does that old laptop use?<p>Sure, I can reconstruct all of this information with a combination of Google, experimentation, and physical examination of the relevant items. But it takes time. Having this information compiled in an easily grep-able format is like having information in RAM, versus having to fetch it from the hard drive.
tmaly大约 3 年前
I have lost many good notes. Came across this book How to take smart notes last year.<p>Now I am working on making a digital slip-box
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dSebastien大约 3 年前
(Shameless plug)<p>For those interested in essays about note-taking, thinking, writing &amp; PKM, note that Matthew&#x27;s article is also part of the PKM journal [1], an online publication that I&#x27;ve recently launched.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pkmjournal.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pkmjournal.com&#x2F;</a>
screwgoth大约 3 年前
Love it. Write ideas to forget &#x27;em. Reminded me of a blog I wrote a few years ago: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;hackernoon&#x2F;the-life-cycle-of-a-to-do-list-83b2a23e29fd" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;hackernoon&#x2F;the-life-cycle-of-a-to-do-list...</a>
jb1991大约 3 年前
This author&#x27;s ideas are hardly original, Stephen King has said for a long time that keeping notes is a great way for a bad idea to stick around.<p>relevant: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30098219" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30098219</a>
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jeffrogers大约 3 年前
Also worth noting that almost no effort has been made by the folks making note taking apps to help people make better use of their entries. Sure, they&#x27;ve implemented things like gallery views, filters, and tagging, but these are all passive and require the user to seek out the information. Why not active features like an API that makes code snippets available in my IDE, a feature that surfaces recipe recommendations from my collection, or how about automatically organizing my receipts by month and offering an expense summary report? There are a ton of features that could be made to help people better access and use the notes they make.
DonBarredora大约 3 年前
Offtopic: I can barely read this website, there&#x27;s almost no contrast.
egypturnash大约 3 年前
For a while Evernote was where my ideas went, <i>and</i> where they got developed into full-blown scripts for comics by me and my creative partner. A lot of ideas went there to die, some went there to hibernate, some went there to be nurtured and grow.<p>Then Evernote got rewritten as a bunch of sluggish Electron garbage that got in the way and now I never touch the fucking thing. I really wish I could find a replacement.<p>(Criteria, before someone suggests their favorite: allows collaboration, works on Macs, iOS, Windows, and Android, with native apps.)
Mountain_Skies大约 3 年前
Article headlines are increasingly telling you how you should interpret the story before you even read it. And that&#x27;s bad.
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nickwarren大约 3 年前
I get what the author is saying, but I write down ideas to delegate to myself for later exploration. I find search is often good enough to get to what I&#x27;m looking for within a couple of queries, and a general read through of the collection makes for a great diving board when it comes to getting started on brainstorming
Jernik大约 3 年前
It looks like the poster is the author here, so hopefully he sees this feedback. Please, please, please pick a better contrast ratio for your text. Grey on slightly-lighter-grey is a terrible color combination for reading. I read the first paragraph and gave up on it because it wasn&#x27;t worth the eye strain.
eatonphil大约 3 年前
The biggest benefit for me of note taking apps are tracking whiskeys and blog post ideas. Everything else I try to use the note tacking apps for (parks near me I&#x27;d like to check out, movies to watch) it ends up a write-only log.<p>But for whiskeys and blog posts, it is very useful and I depend on it weekly at least.
for_i_in_range大约 3 年前
This addresses the problems with the hype related to digital note tools but does not apply to the effectiveness of a real analog zettelkasten: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;user&#x2F;scottscheper" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;user&#x2F;scottscheper</a>
CRConrad大约 3 年前
The start-of-sentence capitalisation threw me off for a while there: So they meant just ordinary notes apps after all; and here I thought they meant Notes apps... As in Lotus Notes.<p>At least the first half of the sentence would have made just as much sense my way.
kiba大约 3 年前
A primary feature of my note app resurface 10 random notes I made. I don&#x27;t write them to forget, and I often use it to revise and expand upon my original notes, or more often these days: Linking them up and creating my own internal wiki.
kerrsclyde大约 3 年前
I&#x27;ve conditioned myself to think if something is worth saving then it is worth spending time to give it a meaningful title, tag it and put it in the right notebook. Without these added details I agree it is pointless.
the__alchemist大约 3 年前
Notes are what let me carry transient thoughts from places where I can&#x27;t execute them to places where I can. My memory isn&#x27;t that good, so it&#x27;s a sort of Sci-Fi augmentation!
hashtones大约 3 年前
Not to mention, it&#x27;s not so much because we forget them, but by writing them down they can be later cued and synchronized to other ideas for fruitful promulgation.
Spivakov大约 3 年前
Op&#x27;s logic in one sentence - &quot;writing notes without going back to them is useless =&gt; writing notes is useless&quot;
inferense大约 3 年前
some of them get to live another day if their context is executable and searchable. Works well in <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;acreom.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;acreom.com</a>
fuadnafiz98大约 3 年前
too long to read right now. Bookmarking this to read in the weekend
dragonelite大约 3 年前
I jumped on the emacs org-roam bandwagon so far so good.
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thesaintlives大约 3 年前
Notes apps? Never found a good one that really worked for me. Rhodia notebooks - simple, effective and permanent. I write stuff down to remember, the ideas never die...
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genewitch大约 3 年前
Inb4 notebooks tambien<p>It&#x27;s okay to waste ideas.
Cypher大约 3 年前
a note app is like a toy box
pxtail大约 3 年前
Is this GPT-3 generated? This looks like affiliate links content farm designed specifically to nerdsnipe HN visitors: topic which are popular here:writing and organizing knowledge, plenty of affiliate links to most popular books frequently mentioned over here, some quotes sprinkled with truisms here and there, unknown author
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