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Ask HN: Should we accept the “floppy disk icon” as the default save symbol?

24 点作者 acadapter超过 3 年前
People have been making efforts to remove or replace the usage of the floppy disk icon as the symbol for &quot;Save&quot;, as floppy disks aren&#x27;t in everyday usage anymore.<p>However, could efforts like these be considered a waste of time?<p>Consider the ampersand symbol &quot;&amp;&quot;, which is recognizable to many people who don&#x27;t know the French word &quot;et&quot;. The main reason is its continuity.<p>Should we, from a cultural perspective, recognize the value of continuity in cases like these, instead of chasing design trends, and keep the floppy disk symbol?

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jaclaz超过 3 年前
&gt;Consider the ampersand symbol &quot;&amp;&quot;, which is recognizable to many people who don&#x27;t know the French word &quot;et&quot;.<p>Which - to nitpick - is actually Latin and pre-dates French by several centuries:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ampersand" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ampersand</a><p>it has a tradition in English as well, where it has actually more use than in other Latin derived languages, and actually the &quot;ampersand&quot; in English comes from a corruption of &quot;and per se and&quot;, losing its original connection to &quot;et&quot;.<p>In Italian the character is called &quot;e commerciale&quot; and in practice it is only used in the (anglo derived) names of firms (besides of course programming), in French it is esperluette, in Spanish it is called directly &quot;et&quot; (or Y comercial) in German it keeps the original relation with &quot;et&quot; as Et-zeichen (also Und-zeichen).<p>It is a very good example, as it is a symbol that originated in Latin, but which meaning was slightly changed by English and actually remained in common use only there, and survived centuries to &quot;land&quot; as a common symbol in computer scripting and programming.<p>About the floppy disk icon, it is IMHO a higly debatable one, like the (manilla) folder of the type used in vertical file cabinets, now that these are either completely extinct or only survive in a small number of offices.<p>I.e. the symbols were created in times where the object represented were extremely common, and as such were a good exemplification of a concept, but think also at the icon Winzip or similar use for compressed archives, a file cabinet inside a (compressing) C-clamp (in times when old-style metal clamps have become rare) compared to the (senseless) one where the symbol is a rectangle with a partially opened zipper.<p>So, personally I struggle to imagine symbols that could replace them &quot;universally&quot;, i.e. there is the risk that <i>any</i> developer&#x2F;designer would start using different images, creating a modern Tower of Babel.
approxim8ion超过 3 年前
We should keep it. The benefit from switching is miniscule, and the value lost in continuity and recognizability is massive.<p>I&#x27;m tired of designers chasing fads.
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jfengel超过 3 年前
As long as you need one, you might as well use the same one. It&#x27;s arbitrary, but it will always be arbitrary. Icons almost always are, except in rare circumstances where you get lucky.<p>But as much as possible you should avoid needing one. Saving is an artifact of limited storage and processing. You should instead design a workflow that eliminates the need for saving things. One way is to have a persistent undo stack that is constantly saving -- which has the nice benefit of also being continuously undoable, offers change tracking, and other benefits.<p>Don&#x27;t worry about the outdated icon. Worry that the outdated icon represents outdated thinking about what computers are capable of. Computers have changed a lot since the days when we used floppy disks. Use that to your advantage, and get a better product.
claviska超过 3 年前
Yes. I don’t pull out a magnifying glass when I’m looking for my lost keys, but I know instantly what that icon means when it appears on a screen. As for floppies, it seems the new generation typically has no idea what they are, but they quickly identify it as “the save icon.”
qolop超过 3 年前
I&#x27;m of the strong opinion, that we should use the actual word &quot;Save&quot; whenever the space constraints allow us to do so.<p>I&#x27;ve spent countless hours explaining to my grandparents that the dustbin icon actually means &quot;delete&quot;, and if you want to share a picture, you press the button with the three node graph.
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dusted超过 3 年前
Yes. The floppy disk is an excellent icon, and it&#x27;s history is distinct, important and easy to convey.<p>Two other icons I could think of without effort are the telephone icon and the camera icon.
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tekknik超过 3 年前
I’m curious why this is given any thought at all, this seems of trivial importance. Is there nothing else to focus on?
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Tabular-Iceberg超过 3 年前
Did we ever need a save symbol?<p>I’ve used computers with GUIs for 30 years, and I can’t remember seeing it on many applications at all apart from pre-ribbon Microsoft Office. And now that the trend goes towards everything you do being implicitly saved when you do it, the need for a button with an icon is even smaller.
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rakoo超过 3 年前
Rather than change the icon for saving, there are good reasons to think that there should be no save button at all and saving should be automatically done continuously.<p>Many softwares do that already, computers have the resources to make it seamless, and it just makes sense in most cases.
warrenm超过 3 年前
&gt; People<p>What &quot;people&#x27;? Who are these &quot;people&quot;?<p>&gt; Consider the ampersand symbol &quot;&amp;&quot;, which is recognizable to many people who don&#x27;t know the French word &quot;et&quot;<p>&quot;et&quot; is a <i>lot</i> older than French, my friend - it&#x27;s from <i>Latin</i>
scim-knox-twox超过 3 年前
Use, do not use, doesn&#x27;t matter. Just always provide word label, not only icon.
bradhe超过 3 年前
What alternative would you propose?
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mikewarot超过 3 年前
We should kill the save feature. This is not a new idea.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20080621173441&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;killsave.org&#x2F;Killsave_Manifesto.htm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20080621173441&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;killsave.o...</a>
MrYellowP超过 3 年前
&quot;Should we accept?&quot; ... How old are you?<p>It&#x27;s been <i>the</i> symbol literally since forever. There&#x27;s nothing to accept.<p>And who is this &quot;we&quot; you speak of?<p>What kind of Narcissistic perspective is this?
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rnd0超过 3 年前
Yes, we should.
djohnston超过 3 年前
Yes